I've looked several places and finding different opinions. Tobeco is known for hit and miss depending on the product. hcigar I cannot find much info about, but I run across a couple of posts stating a positive post shorting problem with one of their batches. The Tobeco is currently about $10+ more. The best review I found was here: Vicious Ant The Kraken Clone by Tobeco-First Look and Overview-C2C Vaping - YouTube and he says that Tobeco did it right this time. Does anyone have any experience with either of these clone versions, I can't find much on the hcigar.