Todd - AmeraVape - Manhattan. Whaaa?

[skoony]

He states on ALL his reviews that it is his Opinion he is presenting. His opinion. He has a little experience with mods and other devices. He might massacre the names of the devices but he does present a clear view of what a device is, how it works and what He does or doesn't like about it. You don't agree? Write him or don't watch the video, your choice. From what I have seen over time, Mark Todd always does his best to communicate with a modder or manufacturer when he confronts what is an issue in his Opinion. It is unfortunate when a builder does not approach what can be a great opportunity to possibly improve their product or to inform the public about their device through reviewer's like Todd. This was certainly the case here.

there is no doubt that people are entitled to their opinions. they are also responsible for them too. to my recollection this all started after Todd's infamous "pipe bomb" statement. all this Ameravapes problems with its vendor,the competition mod name,and their anti-clone campaign,(clever marketing,every business does it) came up after Todd started that freedom of speech thing. well i got news for everyone. calling some ones product a pipe bomb(you know it might blow up and kill you) with out proof is not an opinion. uttered from some one who claims to be a reviewer of said products carries as expert testimony in a court of law. this is the point every one misses. our words even on the internet are not in all ways protected as freedom of speech. the laws of liability and defamation haven't quite caught up with the internet yet but,sooner or later they will. that's what i hope will come of this.people have to realize there are real world consequences for ones actions. i think if Todd and Ameravapes had this all over to do again there would be a different outcome.
i wish them both well and hope that the future goes well for them both.

regards
mike

 

[jtpjc]

Skoony, what's your agenda? My freedom of speech says you're an idiot.

 

[skoony]

Skoony, what's your agenda? My freedom of speech says you're an idiot.

what agenda. i don't have one. it seems to me that there are others that have quite a bit of one. i am looking at both sides and taking in the big picture here. this all started with that pipe bomb deal and now every thing Ameravapes has ever done is total and utter proof they are scum bags? i wish some one would send me the agenda so i can get up to speed. to be fair Todd didn't say the manhatten was potentially a pipe bomb,he said i am holding a pipe bomb in my hand. one is free speech,one isn't.thats what i am trying to point out.

regards
mike

 

[k702]

what agenda. i don't have one. it seems to me that there are others that have quite a bit of one. i am looking at both sides and taking in the big picture here. this all started with that pipe bomb deal and know every thing Ameravapes has ever done is total and utter proof they are scum bags? i wish some one would send me the agenda so i can get up to speed. to be fair Todd didn't say the manhatten was potentially a pipe bomb,he said i am holding a pipe bomb in my hand. one is free speech,one isn't.thats what i am trying to point out.

regards
mike

Technically it started with a company making a mod with at the least slightly dubious venting and then asking a reputable youtube reviewer to take a look at it and make a video on it.

 

[Kropotkin]

there is no doubt that people are entitled to their opinions. they are also responsible for them too. to my recollection this all started after Todd's infamous "pipe bomb" statement. all this Ameravapes problems with its vendor,the competition mod name,and their anti-clone campaign,(clever marketing,every business does it) came up after Todd started that freedom of speech thing. well i got news for everyone. calling some ones product a pipe bomb(you know it might blow up and kill you) with out proof is not an opinion. uttered from some one who claims to be a reviewer of said products carries as expert testimony in a court of law. this is the point every one misses. our words even on the internet are not in all ways protected as freedom of speech. the laws of liability and defamation haven't quite caught up with the internet yet but,sooner or later they will. that's what i hope will come of this.people have to realize there are real world consequences for ones actions. i think if Todd and Ameravapes had this all over to do again there would be a different outcome.

You hope reviewers stop being frank about dangerous products for fear of being sued? Really?



How on earth would that be a positive development?

 

[JMarca]

what agenda. i don't have one. it seems to me that there are others that have quite a bit of one. i am looking at both sides and taking in the big picture here. this all started with that pipe bomb deal and know every thing Ameravapes has ever done is total and utter proof they are scum bags? i wish some one would send me the agenda so i can get up to speed. to be fair Todd didn't say the manhatten was potentially a pipe bomb,he said i am holding a pipe bomb in my hand. one is free speech,one isn't.thats what i am trying to point out.

regards
mike

Don't feed the troll, everyone is over this... old news. Your only reason for bumping this thread now is to draw attention to yourself, do you need a hug?

 

[skoony]

You hope reviewers stop being frank about dangerous products for fear of being sued? Really?



How on earth would that be a positive development?

let me say my view point isn't about Todd,nor Amerivapes. any one who is or claims to be a reviewer of any product takes on certain responsibilities whether they like it or not. knowledgeable reviewers would be considered experts jn a court of law. as an expert being more knowledgeable than compared with lets say me,whatever you say would hold more weight in a court of law. you are also held to a higher standard in the eyes of the law. no one is saying don't call out dangerous products,please do so. just make sure you have proof and don't get disproved after the fact. as a legal concept free speech and opinion are not a viable defenses against defamation. nothing against Todd but if he was here in the USA any lawyer he talked to would advise him to do a mia culpa. and again all the best to Todd and Ameravape.

regards
mike

 

[Stringplucker]

AmeraVape screwed the pooch here. They never should have attacked a reviewer like they did.

I've seen the myriad of Manhattan reviews since Todd's review came out, and have even seen the one where the guy puts the mod on an air supply line and blows 5 then 25psi into it while it's under water. That is deceiving, actually. the 0.004" gap around the button does not allow for fast escaping of hot gasses. Metal expands and contracts with temperatures, and the button could expand and choke off that small amount of escape. A proper design would have been to add scallops on the side of the button equal to the radius of the vent holes or larger. It would not have taken away from the form or design of the rest of the mod, and would have been better than originally designed. You want the vent holes to be large enough that if one or two becomes blocked with debris, like a part of the battery wrapper or such, that the other holes will be adequate enough to handle the job.

Before I'm attacked about my idea on design and my take on the design of the Manhattan button, I have 28 years experience in build and design of machines, gages and fixtures much more complex than this mod, and most of that experience is in aerospace.

Do I feel this has the ability to become a pipe bomb in the right condition and situation...YES, I do...the probabilities are high. However...if used properly by a truly experienced vaper, I doubt there would be a problem. If bought by a young person without knowledge of how it really works, it could be quite dangerous for the person using it.

A redesign of the button needs done, and a public apology to Todd for the emotionally charged response to his review needs to happen as well.

 

[Chelonian]

As an engineer working in robotics, I fell that the above poster has it right.

 

[Coldrake]

calling some ones product a pipe bomb(you know it might blow up and kill you) with out proof is not an opinion.

If there was proof, it would be a fact, not an opinion.

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Here is a link for your future reference. Opinion.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

If there was proof, it would be a fact, not an opinion.

You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means. Here is a link for your future reference. Opinion.

Inconceivable!!!

 

[HauntedMyst]

 

[Racehorse]

"I'm an engineer. Don't worry about it."

I have no idea what that means these days.

One of my friends is an *engineer*........undergrad in engineering and math, masters in physics and then 20 years of about 30 different certifications in HVAC, Electrical, Structural, avionics, , etc.

That's a tad bit different from having taken a few high school shop classes....

Seems like people use terminology and labels quite loosely these days and I like to see those terms reserved for those who actually earn it.


Bottom line? Venting a simple "tube shaped flashlight" is certainly something even a 14 year old "fledgling" kid could do for his jr. high science school project.

this sort of stuff is sort of embarassing.......it should be to us all