Absolutely. I'd much rather pay 20$ for a great juice than 15 for an average or even awful one. If I need to pay more for better quality, so be it. That's just meeting the demands of the consumer and how our economy works.
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Absolutely. I'd much rather pay 20$ for a great juice than 15 for an average or even awful one. If I need to pay more for better quality, so be it. That's just meeting the demands of the consumer and how our economy works.
so Mr. Mann, if your lips are zipped.....Uhh.... where exactly are you putting your PV? Hmmmmm.....On ther other hand..............do NOT answer that! ROFL
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I can agree with what you are saying; You are new to this, your taste buds are still in limbo. I recall when I first started vaping, I thought double flavor and certain vendors that now I would never use were great. As your tastes change then I think you will find great difference in cheap vs quality juices.
Lucky, I recently found two exceptions: AltCig and Parkes Vaping. Both vendors price their eliquids lower than those that I regard as over-hyped and over priced. Both were offering sales so I thought I'd give them a try. My tastes run the gamut from A to Z - everything from tobacco, to deserts, fruits, etc. I placed fairly large orders from both, of flavors similar to those that I've purchased from expensive vendors.
First thing I discovered is that none of the flavors needed steeping. Without exception, everything I purchased was ready to vape and enjoy right out of the gate. Yet most of the high priced vendor's products that I've purchased didn't taste all that great to me even after a month of vaping. The other thing I noticed was that everything I purchased tasted exactly as the vendor described it. I can't tell you how many bottles of swill I bought from high priced vendors that tasted like a high school chemistry experiment gone bad.
I also discovered that the customer service and sincerity to please from both of these vendors greatly exceeded what I've experienced from the higher priced vendors - many of whom I've found to be out right arrogant.
In most things I concur that you do indeed get what you pay for - and when I can afford to, I'll always pay more, and be assured of greater quality and satisfaction. However, that has not been my experience with e liquid vendors. Far as I'm concerned, with AltCig and Parkes, you can pay less and get more. Just my two cents.
You're describing me.
I get a chuckle out of friends who will say about a restaurant with {crappy} food "they give you so mych food! you get so much for your money! We all had to take home a doggie bag!"
While I'm thinking: 1) why would I want MORE food, instead of less, if it's crappy and 2) I hope the doggie bag really is going to the dog.
I pay so much for food...because I want non-industrial non-chemical food that was manufactured as if somebody actually cared........and would eat it themselves.
I get what you get about Ahlusion. If the site is nicely done, in this case, it's because it's just an extension of what they do. Look behind the curtain. (if juice was expensive AND terrible, nobody would go back. The bottom line is, people DO go back.)
I think some of the vendors who describe themselves as "custom" think they can use that word simply because they mix the stuff up per your order. (maybe out in the garage, who knows.) That is absolutely no different than any DIYer here on ECF who doesn't sell their juice. There's infinitely more that goes into the word custom than just mixing a bottle of juice for someone. You have to know the intimate characteristics of the juice, how much heat it can take when vaping, etc. That, to me, is a custom eliquid house.
To me, the way a newbie should start..........find the cheapest, lowest ingredient quality, and vape that FIRST.
Why? Because all those "tastes" you're getting in that stuff will be the exact tastes you will want to AVOID in your ladder to finding the better quality juices. You will *remember* those initial funny tastes, believe me. and when it shows up in a few vendors later on, a bell will go off in your head.
If you don't mind me saying this, I think it is a huge generalization to make. I have never smoked a boxed cigarette, I always rolled my own with 100% organic tobacco, unbleached papers, and no additives or chemicals. I never smoked more than 1/2 pack a day (you don't need to when smoking like that). I also eat clean.
I can tell you, for instance, that anyone who salts their food, uses condiments like ketchup, or have to put grated cheese and butter on their vegetables, etc. has *shot* taste buds when it comes to food.....because they have been "covering up the taste" of it their entire lives.
I've eaten and smoked very high end stuff (no additives, chemicals, fillers, sugar or HFCS) and when I did my planned "newbie" test with the lowest quality juice I could find, I almost threw up. I worked from there. Soon, I will probably be able to tell you what BRAND vegetable glycerin is in my juice, organic or not.
Sorry, but I'm curious about the rules. As a new vapor,I've only tried 2 vendors so far. I'm thinking that if someone listed their favorite flavors along with their favorite vendors, it would give a clue as to who may have the same tastes and help newbees zero in more quickly (and less expensively). Am I off base?
There's 60 pages in this topic....some people did do both. Hope you found some good combos?
Not sure there are any *rules* to topics, unless you're in the contest threads.
My top vendors so far:
highbrow
virgin vapor
nlv
johnson creek
AVE
NEXT TO TRY: NHALER
Has anyone tried Papillon Organic?
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I really don't skimp, I just set limits. The cost per ml for juices is extremely low even when using high quality ingredients. Factoring labor, equipment, facilities, R&D, $15 is my max. Most my juices are $10 and up for 30ml. It's just my personal choice. I'm all for people making profits (read making a living) but I have my limits on anything I buy.
When I started vaping I spent a small fortune on juices I didn't like and many were very expensive. Now they sit or I give them away. There is now way I will buy more expensive juices until I know the kinds that I really like. Then I might re-think it.
Granted juices above that price may be better than lower cost ones. But the vendors I use like NLV, HHV and Vapealicious are not low end juices.
Pharmboy is also one of those nice exceptions.. he's a trained chemist first of all, he has good equipment and knows how to use it. He also mixes up all his flavors ahead of time so they're properly steeped when you get them.
I hear you. I did not mean to insinuate that a dollar difference (Ahlusion 30 mL is $16) is the difference between a quality vendor and a janky vendor. I was merely making a broader argument for those many viewers to this thread that are not actually on the forum and for those newbies that think all juices are created equally. I would venture to say that the majority of the vendors that most of use here are only separated by an insignificant cost differential. It should be noted, that the 2x10 mL I got from Ahlusion came with another 2x10 mL for me to "sample." The cost effectively became even lower than the bargain bin variety. (I would have never known that had I not purchased.)**
A couple more things about Ahlusion. They already have a cafe/smoothie bar and they're opening a new one at a different location soon. This is the first vendor that I have seen that actually has an employment tab on their site. They are actively, actually hiring people. Employment (click and read). Seriously?
Check out the Ahlusion Taste Panel E-Liquid Taste Panel to find out to how get free juices new to Ahlusion. 3 mL samples at 5 samples max per shipment is freakin' nuts. No fees, but for customers only.
We all have our reasons for why we patronize this vendor versus that vendor; I put Ahlusions prices, policies, juices, opportunities, quality and quantity up against any vendor. Oh, shipping to anyone in Michigan is free.
** I don't know if everyone gets those 10 mL samples from Ahlusion, but it was my first order, so it wasn't like I was a frequent customer or anything.
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Put those juices in the classies, man! It couldn't be simpler and it would make someone else's day as well as keeping your juice flowing.
I toatally agree with everything you said in your post (especially about some vendors arrogance.) I want to add some prices here to actually be able to see what these numbers are.
I would like to point out: For 30 mL
Heather's Heavenly Vapes is $ 12
GoodeJuice (NET) is $12.99
Parkes Vaping and AltCig are both $15 for 30 mL
Ahlusion is $16
BWB is $16.50
Want 2 Vape (NET) $18.50
Halo is $19.99
MsT's Bakery is $20.75
I see at least two vendors on that list that are not worth the money in my opinion. So, when I talk about quality and more expensive juices, I am really only talking a few bucks. Now with MsT's, I have to admit, that is absurd! Halo is fine I guess, but I will never be ordering from them again. Why go lab when I can get extracts for less. I still believe that money is of less concern than quality, but certain vendors may just be high for the sake of being high. IMO W2V being less than Halo and MsT is kind of goofy.
While we're on the topic of juice prices, here's an excellent extensive list of vendors broken down by price per mL: eJuice Pricing Comparison Sheet. This is a fantastic resource!
I was looking for that! Thanks, buddy. I moved the discussion to http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uid-prices-how-much-too-much.html#post6962810. Holla.
Hello everyone and thank you for such and informative and interesting thread.
I would like to chime in from the perspective of a relative nub to all of this. Having been a pack and a half a day smoker for 40 years and wanting to quit. I by chance spotted a disposable BLU at a walgreens and decided to give it a try. This relativly inexpensive and bland e-cig opened to door to the world of vaping for me.
I started reading all I could about this new "vaping" thing and soon discovered ECF and my education began. One of the first thing I remember reading here was a sticky on this forum by Vapenstein. I said to myself, this is exactly what Im looking for. I found want2vape and ordered a sample pack and 2 of the Vapenstein signiture juices. Sadly this was not the analog replacement I was looking for but instead was a great cigar shop ! Now I enjoy a very good cigar replacement now and then with a good rum or brandy. Not what I was looking for but a nice surprise instead.
Next was Halo and Johnsons Creek : Ahhh OK but not quite there. They are all steeping for another try later.
BWB Casablanca : OK that was good. It got better too as time went on. Reordered.
AVE Bobas and Bees Knees : Strange at first but growing on me
HHV Gandolf: Changes all the time but I like it. Reordered.
High Brow: Beaujolais nouveau essentially, put it in the cellar and give it some time. Very promising.
Ahlusions : Just got here today. I couldn't resist a taste but will wait 2-3 days as instructed. Than you Mr Mann
So that's where I'm at for now. Thank you all for the guidance and recommendations that have really helped me stick with this for almost 20 days.
Oh , almost forgot, Provary mini, Loving IT !
I would like to chime in from the perspective of a relative nub to all of this. Having been a pack and a half a day smoker for 40 years and wanting to quit. I by chance spotted a disposable BLU at a walgreens and decided to give it a try. This relativly inexpensive and bland e-cig opened to door to the world of vaping for me.
I started reading all I could about this new "vaping" thing and soon discovered ECF and my education began. One of the first thing I remember reading here was a sticky on this forum by Vapenstein. I said to myself, this is exactly what Im looking for. I found want2vape and ordered a sample pack and 2 of the Vapenstein signiture juices. Sadly this was not the analog replacement I was looking for but instead was a great cigar shop ! Now I enjoy a very good cigar replacement now and then with a good rum or brandy. Not what I was looking for but a nice surprise instead.
Next was Halo and Johnsons Creek : Ahhh OK but not quite there. They are all steeping for another try later.
BWB Casablanca : OK that was good. It got better too as time went on. Reordered.
AVE Bobas and Bees Knees : Strange at first but growing on me
HHV Gandolf: Changes all the time but I like it. Reordered.
High Brow: Beaujolais nouveau essentially, put it in the cellar and give it some time. Very promising.
Ahlusions : Just got here today. I couldn't resist a taste but will wait 2-3 days as instructed. Than you Mr Mann
So that's where I'm at for now. Thank you all for the guidance and recommendations that have really helped me stick with this for almost 20 days.
Oh , almost forgot, Provary mini, Loving IT !
20 days?!
Dayum, you are like the Doogie Howser of vaping!
I must admit, your progress was far more expedient to the good stuff than mine was. What did you get from Ahlusion? How was the sneak tasting? I am very happy for you that you didn't wade through so much of the muck and blah that so many of us went through (and are still going through).
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