I cant decide. So i thought i'd throw it up on here. I have a phoenix clone which vapes great but i cant really stand dripping and cant stand that the thing has to be straight up all the time! I have tried a Vivi nova mini but it doesnt work very well on my VMAX. I always get dry hits. My PV spends alot of time in my pocket being turned sideways and i dont want something that leaks. Ive read comments that say the griffin doesnt leak when sideways. Can anyone validate that? I would assume it would depend on how well the wick fits into the hole. I also like the new awesome method for making the coils for the griffin/did/dud using the drill bit. Not a lot of reviews on the VZ bottom coil but the threads make it look really promising. Seems to work alot like a carto tank, which has been my favorite vape for a long long time