Two interesting Articles - Smoking isn't just a bad habit; it is a moral failing.

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Jherek

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Electronic cigarettes lack smoke but not addiction

Quote regarding vaping as an alternative to smoking:

“There are no benefits whatsoever. You are still getting nicotine in the form of a cigarette,” she said. “It even looks like a normal cigarette so the psychological addiction of still holding a cigarette would be there.”

Electronic cigarettes lack smoke but not addiction | panama, addiction, smoke - News - The News Herald
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(Disclaimer: I am in no way anti-Christian, or against any other religious/spiritual faith. Rather, I seek to understand, so that effective counter arguments can be constructed. I do NOT think most anti-smoking zealots are doing it out of a duty to the Christian faith. Rather, anti-smoking IS their religion.)

Most Christians Think Smoking Is A Sin


"Out of 2,400 Christians that responded to the survey, 59% stated that smoking is sinful,..."

Most Christians Think Smoking Is A Sin

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As infuriating and DANGEROUS as this strange, puritanical attitude is (it is literally threatening our lives), I think it needs to be examined more fully.

(ahem)

We are up against a particularly rotten branch of the temperance crusade. Vapers are taking away their self-appointed mission to banish the "sin" of the *act* of smoking from the Earth. They do not want to learn about the relative benefits of vaping, as it would undermine their calling. Indeed, by vaping, rather than smoking, we are doing them harm. They are losing their mission; we are taking away their path to moral salvation. On a strictly visceral level, vapers are *attacking* them, too, by taking away their principal source of schadenfreude.

It is no wonder the anti-smoking crusade clings to such vehement willful, dedicated ignorance, and outright intellectual dishonesty, in regards vaping.

[climbs off soapbox]
 

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I am a smoking Christian...... Most Christians talk about smoking as a sin..... They fail to realize that smoking was a very common social practice during the days of Jesus..... He never condemned it..... He did condemn drinking alcohol to excess...... Most fundamental Christians will not drink alcohol and say that Jesus did not drink wine...... That is contrary to the Bible......
The Bible has much to say about Gluttony, but you won't hear a word about it in the churches...... Look at all the fat preachers and fat Christians that will condemn smoking and "Pig Out " continuously....... Such hypocracy.......
How many of those same Christians drink coffee or soft drinks...... Caffine and nicotine are cousins and have almost the same effects....... Again, if they do it, it is OK...... But if you do it, you are going to Hell...... People wonder why I stay away from churches.......
 
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I'm not religious, so no comment on that particular claim BUT I know that in my neck of the woods (Europe) it's mostly the catholic regions where there's still a relative tolerance for smokers and where cigs are still more affordable than, let's say in the UK or scandinavia who are predominantly protestant. They also seem to become increasingly militant.

But then again, it might as well be that they're catholic only on paper...
 

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And they seem to ignore the ever popular 'attend to the log in your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from the eye of someone else'. In other words, 'clean up you own act before harping on the behaviors of others'.

I'm waiting for the next reality game show, "Shunning". Fifteen contestants live alone in a monestary for 39 days, fending for themselves while tending to the crops and making holy wine. Every third day they assemble in a sanctuary to vote out one of their own based upon uncovered and exposed sins. The one remaining that has been the most successful at hiding their own 'sins' by schemming, outting others, lieing, cheating and attacking the character of other contestants in entertaining and creative ways wins an all expense paid vacation to Reno, Nevada and a three day stay at the Mustang Ranch.
 

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The one remaining that has been the most successful at hiding their own 'sins' by schemming, outting others, lieing, cheating and attacking the character of other contestants in entertaining and creative ways wins an all expense paid vacation to Reno, Nevada and a three day stay at the Mustang Ranch.

In other words... they become televangelists?
 

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I'm waiting for the next reality game show, "Shunning". Fifteen contestants live alone in a monestary for 39 days, fending for themselves while tending to the crops and making holy wine. Every third day they assemble in a sanctuary to vote out one of their own based upon uncovered and exposed sins. The one remaining that has been the most successful at hiding their own 'sins' by schemming, outting others, lieing, cheating and attacking the character of other contestants in entertaining and creative ways wins an all expense paid vacation to Reno, Nevada and a three day stay at the Mustang Ranch.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That was great!
 

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I wish people would have listened more to Confucius than Jesus. Confucius put his golden rule in the negative: What you do not want done to yourself, do not do unto others.

In other word leave other people the f*** alone!


Pardon my correction but Jesus never promoted judging others (ie "he who has not sinned cast the first stone"). Unfortunately it is human nature to take things (Like the message of Christ which is one of love) and distort them for selfish and downright wrong purposes.
 

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Pardon my correction but Jesus never promoted judging others (ie "he who has not sinned cast the first stone"). Unfortunately it is human nature to take things (Like the message of Christ which is one of love) and distort them for selfish and downright wrong purposes.

I don't want to come off as argumentative but I don't think you got the point of my statement. These christians who advocate intolerance are not necessarily being judgmental. They are simply applying the golden rule as they see it. They are doing unto others as they would want done to them.

I don't know about anyone else, but is there anything more annoying and condescending than other grown adults with certainly no more intelligence than yourself telling you what you should do, because that is what they would do, even if they are ignorant, blind, religious fanatics.
 

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And they seem to ignore the ever popular 'attend to the log in your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from the eye of someone else'...
I'm waiting for the next reality game show, "Shunning"...

Greetings SheerLuck
Now that was funny!

If those that consider themselves Christians deem smoking, vaping as sins that's fine. They shouldn't partake.

This one always cracks me up
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are nothing like your Christ" Gandhi.

One river, many wells people.
 
Before I bow out of yet another Christian-bashing thread, I would like to point out that in the OP, the first article was quoting a nurse and gave no indication of what, if any, religious or moral background she was coming from, only that she was in some manner associated with a major anti-smoking group (which is in itself a religion these days), and the second is some weird advertising site that really offers nothing except sponsored links to things like "Payday loans" (read: loan sharks) and a few poorly-researched articles with no attribution.

It claims that 59% of the 2400 people in some survey said they thought smoking was a sin. Wow. 1400 and some out of a billion? Hardly qualifies as "most" to my way of thinking.

Have fun!
 

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Here's my belief and that is what it is......my belief. I am not trying to impose my beliefs on anyone else.

Jesus taught love and compassion for all mankind, whether they were His followers or not. He taught us not to judge others. We are all imperfect.

I think it all comes down to "are we harming our bodies (temples)"? Anything we over-indulge in would fit the harm category, food, caffiene, alcohol etc etc etc. Each individual would have to make that decision for himself if it is not clearly stated in the Bible as right or wrong.

If this is a sin, then there will be a lot of people that will not make it to heaven because I personally know a lot of Christians that struggle with these addictions on a daily basis. I think each bad addiction we have probably shortens our life span and we will not have the quantity or quality of life we were meant to have.

Again, these are my beliefs and I'm not trying to shove them down anyone else's throats.
 

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Although, I must admit I enjoyed the Shunning TV show idea, I think what I was trying to say got muddled. My point was that anti-smoking is, in itself, a type of crusade - a crusade that is sometimes connected to Christianity, but is more often a secular campaign. The irrational take on pv's by the nurse in the first article, where she sees no advantage in vaping because it leaves one addicted to nicotine and the hand/mouth ritual, is the crusade mentality I was meaning to comment on.

So, is she insane or what?
 

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I always love the hyprocrisy accusations...

Folks, if there is one thing I would love to impart to you today, it is that you are a hypocrite.
And I am a hypocrite. And everyone you see around you is a hypocrite.

I bet that any normal human being can not go 15 minutes without being a hypocrite.
There is nothing wrong with hypocrisy, it is the natural state of man.

Just because I do something I know I shouldn't doesn't mean that I don't know that you shouldn't.
In fact, who better to tell what not to do than someone doing it?

Well, I guess someone who HAS done it but doesn't any more.
:)
 
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