TX Lawmakers Vote To Ban E-cigarette Sales To Minors...

[kkay59]

Lawmakers Vote To Ban E-cigarette Sales To Minors - KYTX CBS19.tv - News, Weather, & Sports | Tyler-Longview

I do not know the bill number that was voted on yet. I also do not know what language was in or out of the bill, besides the minor part. I don't have a problem with not selling to minors. But as we all know, there was other stuff in there, that I was heavily against.

<<< E-cigarettes would be off-limits for Texas minors to purchase under a proposal that has cleared both chambers of the Texas Legislature.>>>

I think it was SB97 that was voted on. I am going to look at the language now.

I see the bill, and that was what was voted on. SB97. Yesterday HB170 was tabled. I see amendments, but do not see the finalized bill in text form yet.

 

[nicnik]

Lawmakers Vote To Ban E-cigarette Sales To Minors - KYTX CBS19.tv - News, Weather, & Sports | Tyler-Longview

I do not know the bill number that was voted on yet. I also do not know what language was in or out of the bill, besides the minor part. I don't have a problem with not selling to minors. But as we all know, there was other stuff in there, that I was heavily against.

<<< E-cigarettes would be off-limits for Texas minors to purchase under a proposal that has cleared both chambers of the Texas Legislature.>>>

I think it was SB97 that was voted on. I am going to look at the language now.

I see the bill, and that was what was voted on. SB97. Yesterday HB170 was tabled. I see amendments, but do not see the finalized bill in text form yet.

Bill Godshall posted a link in another thread, that unless I misunderstand, proposes banning selling e-cigs to anyone under 27yo. Here's the link:

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/pdf/SB00097H.pdf#navpanes=0

 

[kkay59]

Oh, thanks. I just saw it pop up. I guess you posted to it, and that brought it up. I somehow missed it. I was looking at local news, when I found out about the passage. The governor hasn't signed it yet, but I think he most likely will.

 

[nicnik]

Oh, thanks. I just saw it pop up. I guess you posted to it, and that brought it up. I somehow missed it. I was looking at local news, when I found out about the passage. The governor hasn't signed it yet, but I think he most likely will.

Is that 27yo thing referring to not assuming someone is 18 or older without them looking at least 27?

 

[vapero]

Is that 27yo thing referring to not assuming someone is 18 or older without them looking at least 27?

exactly if you look younger than 27 you need an id

 

[kkay59]

They still want to do reports, that will cost untold amounts to Texans. I am down to the dreaded DELIVERY SALE in SECTION 30. Looks like they still have some of that stuff in there, that I was afraid of. This just burns me up.

The pdf does not have all the info on it. It sends you to other stuff. So to me it looks like we are going to have to put our blankety blank personal info on a commercially available list. That info can be hacked quite easily. I am sick of this. I had to stop reading it temporarily. I am too mad for words.

 

[catlady60]

Bill Godshall posted a link in another thread, that unless I misunderstand, proposes banning selling e-cigs to anyone under 27yo. Here's the link:

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84R/billtext/pdf/SB00097H.pdf#navpanes=0

The way I understand the bill, people under 27 have to show ID to buy vapor products. Some teens can pass for young adults, especially kids who are taller or larger than average, hence the requirement of young adults showing valid ID.
Side note: I know this for a fact because when I was 16. I could easily pass for 21. I used to play bingo underage with my mom because I could pass.

 

[kkay59]

Catlady, I am glad they don't allow minors to vape. But it is much more involved than that. This is going to effect ADULT vapor folks much more than what few minors were vaping. I am livid.


I am down to this part.
<<<
verifying the age of the prospective purchaser
with a commercially available database or a photocopy or other
image of a government-issued identification bearing a photograph of
the prospective purchaser and stating the date of birth or age of
the prospective purchaser;
(2) AA obtaining a written statement signed by the
prospective purchaser, under penalty of law, certifying the
prospective purchaser ’ s address and date of birth; and
(3) AA receiving payment for the delivery sale from the
prospective purchaser by a credit card or debit card that has been
issued in the prospective purchaser ’ s name or by a check that is
associated with a bank account in the prospective purchaser ’ s name.>>>

So now I have to stop yet again.


Here is the amendment stuff. What in the world. I just want a straight segment on how this is going to effect ME, as an adult, who is a citizen of TEXAS.
<<<
Amend CSSB 97 (house committee printing) as follows:
(1) Strike page 9, line 17 through page 10, line 16.
(2) On page 17, line 3, strike "in this state".
(3) Strike page 21, line 24 through page 22, line 23.
(4) On page 22, lines 25-26, strike "and Section 48.01, Penal Code, as amended by this Act,".
(5) Renumber SECTIONS of the bill accordingly.>>>
SB 97, Hse 2nd Rdg, Amnd #1
I am trying to find out who voted yes on this, and who voted no. Plus I am still not all sure what the bottom line is, just yet.

Maybe we need a lawyer type, who can give it to us an a nutshell. The legal ease speak here is nauseating.

It looks like to me, you have to go to the tax office to file paperwork with your personal information, and all that, WITH YOUR STINKING EMAIL ADDRESS. So who knows what that will cost, it doesn't say. I don't know if it is good for a year, two years, or indefinitely. If you move, I guess you are going to have to refile your personal info. It also looks like to me, as just an average person, that anyone can read the brands you vape, the amount you vape,
see the invoice, and this has to be filed. How many people will get access to this personal info? Maybe I am wrong, but it looks like it opened the door for taxes. Regardless, this will cost the seller, and CONSUMER more. How much more, I don't know. Will out of state juice makers even want to deal with this nightmare legislation? I don't know. This might not effect folks in the big cities. But for rural communities, and small cities, it will be a pain. If you aren't home to sign for your mail, I guess you are now going to have to make a special trip.

 

[Hulamoon]

I had a quick gloss through and am thinking that a lot of the palaver begins and ends with retailers within the state of TX - assuming that a "delivery sales order" refers to (for example) TX vape stores for RE-SALE. This might be governed by the same tax code that applies State tax stamps and the X cents per cigarette tax that are usually increased on a yearly basis by our (fill in your own blankety blanks) State legislature sessions. (the law does mention cigarettes as well).

Otherwise I could see a lot of other States telling TX to get lost, because it isn't up to them to read and comply with these blabbey-mouth TX state demands on a national level. Neither can I see their demands working on a national level with US Federal Mail codes.

(Of course, having said all this, these moronic IQ'ed rumpydumps, who claim they were democratically elected to pull such stunts, do believe that they can do as they please, often do and get away with it).

Aren't we all so glad that TX, and HI, and all the other State legislators consider that the worst substance out there is vaping. Obviously they have ZERO deaths from people who have either killed themselves from Chantix; or rotted their brains, died, and caused harm to others via all the other things out there. And of course we'll completely ignore the nicotine aids that have been available off the shelf in grocery stores for years, and are recommended for children over the age of 12.

 

[nicnik]

exactly if you look younger than 27 you need an id

Is this done with other products limited to adults? Alcohol? Movies?

 

[kkay59]

Thanks for your thoughts Hula. Yes, you can see it is a big boondoggle. I wonder how many people on here actually contacted their politicians on this? Well it has been voted on, and passed. Now we are stuck with this idiocy. Where is the righteous Texas outrage? I guess 99.9% of them don't even know it yet. I just found out myself this evening. I did not see either my senator, nor house rep vote on this. If a state like Texas can have this passed, guess what is gonna happen to most other states? I did all I could do. That is about the size of it.

 

[kkay59]

They card you for alcohol, and cigarettes. I don't know about movies.

Is this done with other products limited to adults? Alcohol? Movies?

 

[Robert Cromwell]

If that is all there is sounds like the no cig sales to minor laws in most states. I have no issue with that and support that. However more stuff may be in there....

 

[squee]

I had a quick gloss through and am thinking that a lot of the palaver begins and ends with retailers within the state of TX - assuming that a "delivery sales order" refers to (for example) TX vape stores for RE-SALE.

This applies to all retailers in TX, for all sales. If you own a vape biz in TX, then any sale you make must be to an adult only and it must be verified through additional measures for any sale not in person. That applies to any customer in-state or out of state. It doesn't apply to any customer in TX ordering products from out of state.

 

[kkay59]

Squee, I hope that this all gets clarified with someone who is more gifted in this area, than I. I don't care if they card you at the store. But I do care very much about what they do with internet sales. The vape shops here are PITIFUL. Their offerings are too expensive for the most part, and they do not carry the juice I want. I see nothing on here about a statement, and the comptroller deal. Is there not a lawyer here who vapes that can break this down?

Casaa already said previously that it would cost 6 dollars per shipment to the consumer. But I see nothing about charges right now. I think I am too flustered to read through anymore of it for a while.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Reptiles vape?

 

[amoret]

verifying the age of the prospective purchaser
with a commercially available database or a photocopy or other
image of a government-issued identification bearing a photograph of
the prospective purchaser and stating the date of birth or age of
the prospective purchaser;
(2) AA obtaining a written statement signed by the
prospective purchaser, under penalty of law, certifying the
prospective purchaser ’ s address and date of birth; and
(3) AA receiving payment for the delivery sale from the
prospective purchaser by a credit card or debit card that has been
issued in the prospective purchaser ’ s name or by a check that is
associated with a bank account in the prospective purchaser ’ s name.>>>

So where are they getting the boilerplate for this? The wording here is almost identical to what North Dakota passed for internet purchases, though we also have to have age verified delivery - so $6 per order there. The wording is so close that it must have come frome some common source, and I'd like to know who the source is.

 

[Bunnykiller]

dont know about reptiles... but Ive seen pictures of fuzzy small mammals vaping...

 

[cat58]

My rep in the House voted AGAINST this, if I am reading the vote log correctly. If so, kudos to her and I will send her my thanks. It didn't help but at least I can be hopeful that on this one vote, my representative actually 'represented' me.

I am still just so disgusted...words fail me.

 

[kkay59]

Office of the Governor - Greg Abbott - Contact
Here is our last hope. Please pass this on to as many people as possible.
I already sent him a little bit of communication on the matter.