U.K. e-cig co. donates to cancer research

[nojoyet]

Interesting press release and interesting approach, again from the U.K.

http://www.onlineprnews.com/news/5289-1251720087-uk-electronic-cigarette-company-begins-donations-to-cancer-research-uk.html

 

[SLDS181]

Slightly misleading in the intro line though

"including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These include nicotine"

Makes it sound like nicotine causes cancer. I know nicotine is being listed as one of the thousands of chemicals, just saying it comes out weird.

I definitely dig the approach though

 

[surbitonPete]

Slightly misleading in the intro line though

"including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These include nicotine"

Makes it sound like nicotine causes cancer. I know nicotine is being listed as one of the thousands of chemicals, just saying it comes out weird.

I definitely dig the approach though

Yes and it's completely wrong to say the vapour only contains nicotine and 'water'. If we are going to make claims lets get them right.

 

[nojoyet]

Agreed, it's not accurate enough nor good enough to Digg, etc., it just tells us of an interesting approach

 

[JrdUK]

Hey atleast cancer research is getting more donations, thats a good thing.

 

[TropicalBob]

This could be sharpening the sword that beheads us. In the U.S., "cancer research" dollars given a charity might well end up funding ASH and other anti-tobacco efforts. He better make jolly well sure the money goes exclusively to cancer research -- not bureaucratic salaries, public information campaigns, etc.

E-smoking, to the best of our knowledge, cannot initiate cancer. Better to fund quit-smoking programs, educational efforts in schools or wellness programs.

 

[JrdUK]

Its to Cancer Research UK

 

[harmony gardens]

I don't want to sound like a poop, but they should really spend the money on some testing to prove that the claims they make about ecigs being safer are true.

 

[Vince1]

I agree Harmony,
It does stand to reason that any money spent towards testing that gets e-cigs approved would actually do more to fight cancer then most of the money would do otherwise.

 

[SLDS181]

I don't want to sound like a poop, but they should really spend the money on some testing to prove that the claims they make about ecigs being safer are true.

I still don't get this.... no one, to date, has ever shown any ingredient, element, etc that would suggest in the slightest that it would be otherwise.

*shrug*

 

[TropicalBob]

SLDS: We know nothing for certain. We might think we do. We might have some preliminary results that are hopeful. But we need manufacturers to spend some serious cash on e-smoking studies, not cancer research. We need proof, not beliefs. We need science, not reason. This is nothing more than a PR ploy to show what "good guys" the company is.

I say be an even more responsible good guy: Prove your product is safe and effective used as directed. Get it approved. We'll all cheer then.

 

[harmony gardens]

SLDS: We know nothing for certain. We might think we do. We might have some preliminary results that are hopeful. But we need manufacturers to spend some serious cash on e-smoking studies, not cancer research. We need proof, not beliefs. We need science, not reason. This is nothing more than a PR ploy to show what "good guys" the company is.

I say be an even more responsible good guy: Prove your product is safe and effective used as directed. Get it approved. We'll all cheer then.

On your first point, we DO have the New Zealand study to be repeated. I hope we have something to cheer about when that happens! ;-)

 

[TropicalBob]

I've followed the Health New Zealand trials since Day One. They have no validity until the results are peer-reviewed, which hasn't happened. Therefore, they do not help the cause. We take comfort in them; government does not recognize them.

I admire Dr. Murray Laugesen and have corresponded with him many times over the past 20 months. I quote him extensively in an article I wrote in SmokeShop magazine (Oct. 2008). But .. be real .. these results are not yet the proof e-smoking needs to obtain regulatory approval. Further, the results apply ONLY to Ruyan products.

 

[westcoast2]

Hey at least cancer research is getting more donations, thats a good thing.

I partly agree with TB on this. CRUK is a supposed 'Charity' that gets funds from HMG to promote policy (esp anti-smoking and anti-alcohol). I also believe they fund ASH (UK).


This is probably the worse thing this company could have done.
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[RustyTec]

Veteran member Tropical Bob got quoted:
Cancer Research UK Decline Donations From UK Electronic Cigarette Company

 

[TropicalBob]

Oooo.

I do hope the owner does as he says in the last paragraph, and finds a suitable way to make a great gesture. His heart is in the right place -- which is more than we can say for some charities biased to Big Pharma products.

 

[PlanetScribbles]

Oooo.

I do hope the owner does as he says in the last paragraph, and finds a suitable way to make a great gesture. His heart is in the right place -- which is more than we can say for some charities biased to Big Pharma products.

I have just made a complaint using CRUK's webform ...

after reading about CRUK's apparent 'holier than thou' attitude toward e-cigarettes, and it's shunning of donations from an electronic cigarette retailer, I would like to inform you that I will now take all of my donations to my local Oxfam shop instead of the CRUK shop. I am a user of e-cigs and they have saved my life. I will have NOTHING said against them, being that they are a HARMLESS alternative to cancer causing tobacco. Get off of your high , big pharma biased, horse and do the right thing.

I'm sick of the BS, now i'm taking a stand.

 

[ckc]

I sent this:--

Dear Sir/Madam,

Today i became aware of Cancer Research UK rejecting donations from users of the new nicotine replacement technology known as the Electronic Cigarette or Electronic Nicotine Inhalator.

This very much was not the news that was expected from a charity that agrees with reduced harm from those who cannot give up nicotine.I found in your Briefings for Tobacco control the following points:-

"Committing to the development of a strategy to help smokers who cannot yet quit to switch to much less harmful pure nicotine products."

The Electronic Nicotine Inhaler is the most effective Tobacco Harm Reduction device that i and many others have ever come across.As a former 23 year 40 a day smoker i now utilise the inhaler and now smoke zero cigarettes a day. As many as 79% of smokers who have been unable to quit traditional cigarettes have by using this new technology.

May i please ask that Cancer Research at least take another look at what this new technology could do in the UK. If you are indeed interested in bring down cancer rates and saving millions i would ask that this is seriously considered.

Yours Sincerely

 

[westcoast2]

Tbob...

I do hope the owner does as he says in the last paragraph, and finds a suitable way to make a great gesture.

I do too. There are some genuine groups out there, doing good work, who do need help.
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[electricfag]

Hi All,

Just wanted drop in personally and thank you all for your opinions. We decided to support a charity and (wrongly) Cancer Research sprung to mind.

Admittedly we were a bit naive about not realising you needed permission these days to donate to a charity but hey, I live and learn. Hopefully we are going about it the right way now.

The views on this forum have been invaluable in shaping my business and although I read a lot on here I haven't posted much and I think that needs to change.

Hopefully we will find a cause who wants donations. I appreciate that it just looks like a PR stunt and i'm not going to lie and say that the exposure wasn't worth it, but we do genuinely want to donate to a worthy cause so if you come across anyone interested get them to give me a call.

Kind regards

Michael Kitt