Ultra Fire battery questions (for use with new innokin itaste SVD)

[highc1157]

Just got my innokin itaste svd and protank 3 (dual coil) setup; however, I got stuck with "ultra fire" batteries. Included below is a picture of the battery and I have listed its specifications.

specifications :

-3.7 A

-3600 mah

-3.7 V li-ion

-low discharge rate

-short-circuit and over current protection (rechargable battery with re/discharging protection circuit)


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Questions:
1) Are these safe to use in my innokin itaste svd ?

2) how / will these affect my vaping experience on my dual coil setup?


I hear to use unprotected batteries that are IMR (high drain), but heard that after the fact :/

I'm currently waiting to use my itaste SVD until I hear something, just to be safe...however, I've taken maybe 30 rips off of it with my evod tank and that's the most i've used it so far.

 

[Baditude]

1) Are these safe to use in my innokin itaste svd ?

2) how / will these affect my vaping experience on my dual coil setup?


I hear to use unprotected batteries that are IMR (high drain), but heard that after the fact :/

It is a generalized opinion in the vaping community that "any battery with the name ***** FIRE in the name" is bad news. (Surefire, Trustfire, Ultrafire) You can do far better than these. Those 3400 mAh Ultrafires are not high drain and not safe chemistry.

It's true, you want an unprotected, safer-chemistry, high-drain, IMR or hybrid battery for your SVD. A list of acceptable batteries of this class is in the following link:

BATTERY BASICS FOR MODS: IMR OR PROTECTED?

WHY HIGH DRAIN BATTERIES?

DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF MOD BATTERIES

 

[highc1157]

It is a generalized opinion in the vaping community that "any battery with the name ***** FIRE in the name" is bad news. (Surefire, Trustfire, Ultrafire) You can do far better than these. Those 3400 mAh Ultrafires are not high drain and not safe chemistry.

It's true, you want an unprotected, safer-chemistry, high-drain, IMR or hybrid battery for your SVD. A list of acceptable batteries of this class is in the following link:

BATTERY BASICS FOR MODS: IMR OR PROTECTED?

WHY HIGH DRAIN BATTERIES?

DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF MOD BATTERIES

many thanks!!

can i still smoke with these batteries in the meantime? will it dampen the effecs my dual coil should be producing?

 

[Sickkboy]

I would say get a decent one like AW, Panasonic, Sony, Efest, MNKE and trash that ultrafire immediately.

 

[highc1157]

I would say get a decent one like AW, Panasonic, Sony, Efest, MNKE and trash that ultrafire immediately.

I can't just trash it immediately, I'm broke and have to order on amazon with gift card money and can't vape in the meantime, unless I used my ultra fire battery in the meantime. Would you say that's okay?

also, seeing as I saw the vape shop owner open a plastic package containing my charger and two batteries that were sealed and packaged together (assuming the bundle was to be sold like that) ... i'm curious if it is safe to use that charger that I gained with different brand batteries that I'll purchase like these

 

[ch2468]

-low discharge rate

That in itself makes me cringe when thinking about using such a battery in an application such as an e-cig.

 

[Sucker_dad]

Obviously you are going to use them anyway, just be careful. If you feel them starting to warm up stop using them for a while. If they get too warm on the charger then don't use for a while. Don't leave them unattended on the charger at all. Read the link provided above. I personally wouldn't use them as they are not for high drain application and vaping is high drain. If my choice was suffer or risk blowing a battery up then I would just have to do without. But hey I like my teeth.

 

[RogerWilco357]

why would they send you that battery?
if it was not safe?

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

Ultrafire is ok for Cree flashlights...NOT for high current mods, plus the standing "joke" is anything with fire in it = no no no

Listen to Baditude...he is our resident forum super battery God...

I rock Efest 18650 2000mAh flattop batteries, (yours might need button top) ordered em from RTDVapor (the forums most recommended battery vendor) these have not let me down and are the minimum you should use for safety in an APV, there are better batteries but these will work OK.

 

[highc1157]

Okay, so i have ordered two of these guys listed below, but they wont be here until thursday (thats even with me paying for 1 day shipping on amazon)

Effest IMR /18650/ 2000mAh /10A


My ultra fire protected batt's on my protected itaste SVD from what it sounds like is not ideal, but i'm not sure if they're seriously unsafe or not. I need my nicotine , just would like to know if these batteries can be used in the interim until I get my good IMR batteries

 

[SirSteve]

I have to agree with Bad and the rest, however it sounds like you are going to use them anyway till you get different ones. At the very least read and follow Sucker_Dads post. As for the charger, maybe you could tell what, if anything it says, like name and the ratings if it has them. I am guessing the charger is alright, it is probably made for charging the 3.7 volt batteries that power most APV's.

I don't know what vape shop you bought this kit from, but I would steer clear of anyplace that would package this type of battery with a kit like yours. They either don't know what they are doing, or just don't care.

Edit, Efest is a decent battery, I have several. Please again, read and follow Sucker_Dad's post. Don't push those fire batteries, using any protected battery in a device like yours can lead to trouble, any decent APV already has protection built in. The batteries protection may trip from the high drain of your device, so if you insist on using them for a few days, baby them.

 

[highc1157]

Ultrafire is ok for Cree flashlights...NOT for high current mods, plus the standing "joke" is anything with fire in it = no no no

Listen to Baditude...he is our resident forum super battery God...

I rock Efest 18650 2000mAh flattop batteries, (yours might need button top) ordered em from RTDVapor (the forums most recommended battery vendor) these have not let me down and are the minimum you should use for safety in an APV, there are better batteries but these will work OK.

Thanks man, I got the same batteries en-route from amazon and will be here thursday

My ultra fire protected batt's on my protected itaste SVD work with my evod tank...but from what it sounds like this is not ideal, but i'm not sure if they're seriously unsafe or not. I need my nicotine lol, just would like to know if these batteries can be used in the interim until I get my good IMR batteries

 

[SirSteve]

Obviously you are going to use them anyway, just be careful. If you feel them starting to warm up stop using them for a while. If they get too warm on the charger then don't use for a while. Don't leave them unattended on the charger at all. Read the link provided above. I personally wouldn't use them as they are not for high drain application and vaping is high drain. If my choice was suffer or risk blowing a battery up then I would just have to do without. But hey I like my teeth.

Thanks man, I got the same batteries en-route from amazon and will be here thursday

My ultra fire protected batt's on my protected itaste SVD work with my evod tank...but from what it sounds like this is not ideal, but i'm not sure if they're seriously unsafe or not. I need my nicotine lol, just would like to know if these batteries can be used in the interim until I get my good IMR batteries

Edit, check out WarHawk below.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

The thing is, those batteries are not designed for high current

Ultrafire BRC3600 18650

Discharge : XP-G R5
BRC3600 - 1.63A
Trustfire Grey 2500 - 1.9A
AW2600 - 1.84A
Trustfire Red & Black - 1.63A

Discharge : SSC P7
BRC3600 - 2.15A
Trustfire Grey 2500 - 3.08A
AW2600 - 2.95A
Trustfire R&B - 2.59A

You can EASILY surpass the maximum safe output current from these batteries, if the safety circuit trips before it draws too much you might be fine..if it doesn't...you can overstress the battery causing heat, heat in a li ion battery is a bad thing...

Those would be ok in a Cree flashlight...not in a MOD that can pull 4-5+ amps (even not sub ohming)

Safest bet is to learn what IS good, anything NOT on the list (and it does grow when newer better batteries are made) avoid like the plague (until you learn more about li ion batteries...they can simply fizzle out, trip protection circuits, worse case they go thermal runaway and 'splody 'splody inches from your face.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

Not trying to frighten you...trying to educate (from our own personal experiences) so you don't repeat mistakes that we made on our journey from noobs to where we are now...

 

[Baditude]

For the time being, you can probably get by using the protected Ultrafire 3400 mAh batteries in the SVD. However, use them as if you were using them in a mechanical mod - no voltage higher than 3.7 volts. Keep a cautious eye on the battery's condition, mainly that they do not heat up and get "warm" or "hot" to touch during use.

setting and using voltages over 3.7 volts will cause the SVD's processor to use it's PWM (pulse width modulation) circuitry. At this point the SVD will begin to pull up to twice the amps from the battery than it would at 3.7 volts. This is why I included the link to "WHY HIGH DRAIN?" earlier in this thread.


Many people ignorantly believe "a battery is a battery, if it works, its good to go." Very few people, including many vapers and e-cig salesmen/vendors have really taken the time to learn about Li-Ion batteries, the different chemistries of Li-Ion batteries (ICR, IMR, hybrid) and for which applications those are best suited for. The information is available if one is willing to do the research. I've tried to assemble what I have learned from my own research and offer it in my educational blogs. They can always be found in the link below my Username and Avatar.

I've been a proponent of battery safety since I had a protected Trustfire battery explode/vent with flames in a mod several months ago. It was a frightening experience and one that I will never forget.

 

[highc1157]

does anyone know Brick and mortar storefronts that sell high drain IMR batteries? I need some in the interim until mine arrive from online purchase

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Try browsing through here ---> http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/vip-vaping-phoenix/433114-directory-local-az-vendors-updated-regularly.html
Or google 'vape stores' 'vape shops' in your area.