Ultra-Noob... taking the plunge

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Allen_B

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Happened onto this site and glad I did!

I was 1st introduced to the idea of e-cig by some former Shipmates (Navy-folk) during an underway some time ago. The Submarine Force has gone fully smoke-free this past year and I was embarked on one of our boats a little over a year ago. The command had shifted to a smoke-free policy before it was mandated so I was content with my tins of Copenhagen- I actually dipped before I started smoking.

On that particular ride, we were unexpectedly extended on board; not an issue for me but a few of the guys had e-cigs and was the first time I had see them 1st hand. Liked the idea and the experience, but truth be told I was really not sold on the safety due to ignorance (like analogs are safer for Peat's sake) and analogs were still pretty cheap.

Fast-forward to now, I've transferred to New England where is gets damn cold outside (we don't smoke in the house or the cars) and analogs are 3x the price! Those 2 factors alone prompted the re-think of a PV, but the health concerns are more real than ever. I am maybe a 1.5 PAD smoker now but I really enjoy smoking- I quit for over a year and view smoking as more of a habit/choice and am really intrigued by the endless options for liquids, options and flavors e-cigs offer.

I have pretty much made up my mind to go with a Volcano Inferno starter kit with both the tank and drip options, figuring I would use the tank setup at work and on the go due to the convenience and the drip option at home to experiment with various liquids. I "think" I have learned the same PV is available cheaper as the Joye eGo (if I understand correctly) compared to the Volcano brand, but for simplicity, descent overall reputation and their warranty I have opted for them. I plan to also add an extra atty for backup and to help get a "cleaner" flavor using the drip option thinking it would prevent "contaminating" the flavors of various liquids as I learn what I like. Intention is actually to order tonight right after this post!

What I really don't understand at this point is what is the point of the Cartomizers of if they are even applicable to the Inferno? Yes I get they are portable and self-contained, but what do they offer compared to having a couple of tanks available (other than the built-in atty)? Just doesn't seem very cost effective if you can use extra tanks and have a spare atty, but I may be missing something obvious...

Anyway, thanks for reading my brain-droppings. Looking forward to learning a lot, getting some good advice and hopefully getting my wife interested at some point!


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Congrats to you and thank you for your service :)

Glad you're taking another swing at vaping. The industry is improving week by week. Volcano does a great job with their packaging. Yeah, you're getting an eGo and paying a little premium. You're sold on the brand so enjoy it is my 2 cents.

510 cartomizers will fit on your Inferno. You'll be very glad you have them if your tank acts finicky. Fill a cartomizer and attatch it to your inferno and vape. Easy peasy. You get two systems/PVs in one with the tank system to use cartos or tanks. Very nice.


For a warm vape get 2.0 ohm cartomizers
For a cooler vape 3.0 ohm
The lower the ohm number the warmer the vape. You probably shouldn't go lower than 2 ohms with an eGo/Inferno. It puts stress on the batteries.

Vendors with nice prices on 510 cartomizers
crystalclearvaping.com
goodprophets.com

Others will chime in and share more options. I'm looking forward to reading about your vaping adventures. Have fun :)
 

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I don't yet give advice since I'm still new and confused myself i just say what im vaping... But i would like to welcome you to ECF and wish you luck in finding your perfect setup. I currently use cartomizer on a provari!!! 3 months in and i have 5 different PV I wont say that would be whats right for you but once i explored beyond my Ego-T i haven't looked back, But i still have it charged:)

Welcome and your wife will be curious and the 2 of you will be analog free!!!!
 

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Gratz. Glad you joined us.

I haven't tried tanks or atomizers with cartridges. I read about too much futzing around with them and leaking issues as well. I like to just fill my cartos at night and in the morning I just grab my eGo and some cartos and head out. I can vape all day without futzing with anything. I was getting a little annoyed with cartos as well, but since I got some Boge 2.0 cartos, life has been good.

Each to his own, as they say. Some people love tank systems, and I'll probably try one some time, but for now cartos are the way to go.
 

Allen_B

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Since the kits available come with tanks and have a drip option, giving that a go. I am too ignorant at this point to understand cartos vs tanks just yet. From the little I have been able to glean it would seem to make sense to try different fluid flavors by dripping and filling a tank based on favorites.

Do the cartos offer less maintenance and cost compared to a tank system? If I am reading things correctly, once you figure out a few favorite flavors, it would seem like refilling a carto with the same favorite flavor would make for the most consistent flavor and added reliability since you would use the same atty all of the time with the same flavor- no flavor mixing contamination and the dedicated?

Just wondering...

BTW- I had some of these same questions and called Volcano. Just got off of the phone with them- VERY helpful and not pushy. Cleared up a little confusion on the cardo vs. tank debate but did recommend an extra atty which I already intended to get (the 1.5 low-res version)...

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Welcome, Allen, and thanks for your service. My dad spent was an engineer at Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, ME -- is this where you're stationed? It's a great area.

With cartomizers, you don't need an atty. More accurately, cartomizers have attys already built in. Cartomizers work kind of the same way as Zippo lighters. They are filled with a wadding material that you soak with e juice. When you activate the built-in atty, it heats the juice and creates the vapor.

Tanks use attys, and basically drip the juice directly onto the atty.

Both methods have their pluses and minuses. I'd advise you to try each. If you are already set up for tanks, you can get a set of 5 cartomizers for about $10 with shipping.
 

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Allen, i use the ego tank system. I did not like the regular atties that came with my kit right off the bat and opted to go with the LR atties and the tank. This does work quite nicely. Its pretty easy to fill the tank and be on your way. However, at the recommendation of others in this group (and because I wanted an atty dedicated to just a cinnamon flavor that i love) i bought some Boge cartomizers and im sure glad i did! Both of my LR atties for some reason are acting up after less than a month of having them and i have been using exclusively the cartos. I think the tank concept is awesome. There was always some fiddling i had to do with them tho, they wouldnt wick out well enough so i would have to fiddle with the tank, etc. Higher VG liquids seemed to clog up my atties right away. Also I like mint and cinnamon flavors best. When you use these types of flavors in a tank and atomizer, even after you clean the tank out, the previous flavor remains for quite a while in your atty. With the cartos, there is more frequent filling. But, i have found that they give a really nice easy draw, seems like a lot more vapor, i can dedicate a carto to different flavors. You just cannot drip with them. Flavors do taste different in each one too. Some i like better in the tank, some i like better in the carto. The cartos are pretty inexpensive so its not a very high price to pay to have some just in case! Good luck!
 

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Congrats to you and thank you for your service :)

Glad you're taking another swing at vaping. The industry is improving week by week. Volcano does a great job with their packaging. Yeah, you're getting an eGo and paying a little premium. You're sold on the brand so enjoy it is my 2 cents.

510 cartomizers will fit on your Inferno. You'll be very glad you have them if your tank acts finicky. Fill a cartomizer and attatch it to your inferno and vape. Easy peasy. You get two systems/PVs in one with the tank system to use cartos or tanks. Very nice.


For a warm vape get 2.0 ohm cartomizers
For a cooler vape 3.0 ohm
The lower the ohm number the warmer the vape. You probably shouldn't go lower than 2 ohms with an eGo/Inferno. It puts stress on the batteries.

Vendors with nice prices on 510 cartomizers
crystalclearvaping.com
goodprophets.com

Others will chime in and share more options. I'm looking forward to reading about your vaping adventures. Have fun :)

Literally could not have said it better myself. Heed this advice!

And I'd also like to thank you for your service & say welcome to ECF!
 
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Heyas Allen,

Welcome :)

Nothing new to add here that others haven't said. If you're looking at an ego clone with both normal atty's for dripping and tank atties, you're already dropping a fair bit of coin. I didn't see the point of cartos before I started vaping either. Seemed like a much better idea to go with a 3 piece setup for a variety of reasons. I've since tried the ego with a variety of different atty's, bridgeless and bridged, SR and LR, etc. And have tried the tank setup. And have tried cartos. Out of what I've tried so far, I like cartos the best just because they give me the best flavor other than dripping, and are much more convenient. Why they give me a better flavor than a tank setup or atty+cart, I don't know. They just do. :p And, a pack of 5 boge LR carto's will cost about $7-8. Seemed like a cheap way to try something that everyone was raving about, even if it seemed kinda pointless to me. That's one of the things I love about vaping, especially on a 510 platform. Endless variations to try. Very satisfying to the kid in me that loves gadgets and experimentation :p

Happy hunting,
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Allen_B

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...If you're looking at an ego clone with both normal atty's for dripping and tank atties, you're already dropping a fair bit of coin. I didn't see the point of cartos before I started vaping either...

I am not ruling out cartos, in fact they seem to add convenience and reliability. As you mentioned, it seems like the initial setup will give me a few options and the chance to figure out what I don't know.

I am already second-guessing the order a little with opting for an additional low-res atty. The more I think about it, I may have been better off with a 5-pack of cartos vice just the atty but I figure it will be good to have a spare for dripping if/when the one it comes with dies.

With that said, I have no clue yet if I will even get into dripping at all; with my personality it just seems like a potentially messy PITA but I say that from sheer ignorance having never tried any method. I figure "don't knock it until you try it" in this case since many seem to prefer this method.

One question that has crossed my mind about the tank setup from Volcano (eGo)-

How do you travel with additional filled tanks without spilling the liquid? Specifically, if I have a tank in the PV and want to bring along another flavor (or just an extra) how do you seal up the tank, especially if it has been "punched" from previous use? Do the tanks come with some sort of storage cap or do you need an entire "tankomizer" unit to swap on the go?

These points of interest (portability and reliability) are a couple of the reasons I could see a big advantage (if I understand the concept and design) to cartos- cheaper (than a full tankomizer), sealed and built in atty. Only big downsides I see are they are slightly more difficult to refill and have significantly lower capacity (compounding the PITA refilling). Am I missing something??

I know, I'm already high-maintenance with the questions before my 1st drag!

Thanks for the assistance and warm welcome! :vapor:



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nunya

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Happened onto this site and glad I did!

I was 1st introduced to the idea of e-cig by some former Shipmates (Navy-folk) during an underway some time ago. The Submarine Force has gone fully smoke-free this past year and I was embarked on one of our boats a little over a year ago. The command had shifted to a smoke-free policy before it was mandated so I was content with my tins of Copenhagen- I actually dipped before I started smoking.

On that particular ride, we were unexpectedly extended on board; not an issue for me but a few of the guys had e-cigs and was the first time I had see them 1st hand. Liked the idea and the experience, but truth be told I was really not sold on the safety due to ignorance (like analogs are safer for Peat's sake) and analogs were still pretty cheap.

Fast-forward to now, I've transferred to New England where is gets damn cold outside (we don't smoke in the house or the cars) and analogs are 3x the price! Those 2 factors alone prompted the re-think of a PV, but the health concerns are more real than ever. I am maybe a 1.5 PAD smoker now but I really enjoy smoking- I quit for over a year and view smoking as more of a habit/choice and am really intrigued by the endless options for liquids, options and flavors e-cigs offer.

I have pretty much made up my mind to go with a Volcano Inferno starter kit with both the tank and drip options, figuring I would use the tank setup at work and on the go due to the convenience and the drip option at home to experiment with various liquids. I "think" I have learned the same PV is available cheaper as the Joye eGo (if I understand correctly) compared to the Volcano brand, but for simplicity, descent overall reputation and their warranty I have opted for them. I plan to also add an extra atty for backup and to help get a "cleaner" flavor using the drip option thinking it would prevent "contaminating" the flavors of various liquids as I learn what I like. Intention is actually to order tonight right after this post!

What I really don't understand at this point is what is the point of the Cartomizers of if they are even applicable to the Inferno? Yes I get they are portable and self-contained, but what do they offer compared to having a couple of tanks available (other than the built-in atty)? Just doesn't seem very cost effective if you can use extra tanks and have a spare atty, but I may be missing something obvious...

Anyway, thanks for reading my brain-droppings. Looking forward to learning a lot, getting some good advice and hopefully getting my wife interested at some point!


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Allen

Hey Allen: I've been vaping for a month and here's what I can tell you from my brief experience:

No matter what you buy, you will buy more. Period. Hah! Kinda like when we got our Harley, the bike was the down payment on the gear.

Smoking? No desire. None. Wishing you and your bride the same great result.
 

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If you decide to try cartos, I use the smoktech 1.5 dual coils on my eGo. They have good vapor, and a nice TH. I usually just top mine off a couple of times a day, when I get a chance (not that it needs it yet, I just do it when convenient). I've been using my first one all week with no problems, still hits good and flavor drop is not noticeable. I paid $2.20 apiece for them, but you can get them cheaper if you shop. Not a bad price for (so far, and still going) almost a week of use. Just what I am comfortable with for now. But then I haven't been at this as long as some of the more knowledgeable people here.

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Allen, the tank has a little rubber "condom" that comes with it. You can put that on the end when you are out and about to keep juice secure. The tank without the condom (you fill it and put the little plastic end back on with the hole in it) well you can shake that around and whatever and somewhat miraculously the juice does NOT flow out the hole. But i have left them sitting on my desk and it does leak out slowly from somewhere. I dont know that i would put that condomed tank in my pocket or anything, i just wouldnt trust it that much myself. I just carried around a couple extra tanks and bottles of juice to make sure everything stayed where it was supposed to stay!
 

Allen_B

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I am not ruling out cartos, in fact they seem to add convenience and reliability. As you mentioned, it seems like the initial setup will give me a few options and the chance to figure out what I don't know...

...With that said, I have no clue yet if I will even get into dripping at all; with my personality it just seems like a potentially messy PITA but I say that from sheer ignorance having never tried any method. I figure "don't knock it until you try it" in this case since many seem to prefer this method.

...These points of interest (portability and reliability) are a couple of the reasons I could see a big advantage (if I understand the concept and design) to cartos- cheaper (than a full tankomizer), sealed and built in atty. Only big downsides I see are they are slightly more difficult to refill and have significantly lower capacity (compounding the PITA refilling). Am I missing something??...
/r


Allen

Yea, a bit pathetic to quote one's own post but...

Any other 1st hand opinions on cartos vs. the tank (and dripping)??


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Yea im still vaping from a smoketech dual carto mega i filled last night when i posted to this thread and i havent toped it off yet today!! and it has spent 4 hours in my pocket without a leak ;) Hooked on watermellon today! what will tomorow bring:)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnPWfGkhnF4 the condom method works well but just 1 way to fill them. Some say filling through drip tip prevents a mess and others stick toothpick in center hole to reduce mess again just some ways i seen it done.
 
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