Unsatisfied

[Dartster]

Hey gang,

My vaping experience so far has left quite a lot to be desired. It could be several things, and since I'm still pretty new to this, I need help.

Here's what I have:

Riva 901, Joye attys, standard carts all from Liberty Flights.

Juices: 80PG/20VG, 18mg nic stuff from Vaporbomb...Cola and Fire & Ice.
100% VG organic 16mg nic stuff from Vaperite, various flavors
100% PG stuff from Liberty Flights, various flavors

Problems:

Vaporbomb stuff is good, but soapy. No soap has ever entered my atty's.

Using a fully saturated cart, I get 2-3 hits before burnt taste sets in. I prime with 2 drops, refill cart and same thing. This is my MAIN irritant and has caused me to stop vaping.

The other vendors have poor quality flavors, for my tastebuds. This isn't a knock on them, they are just not for me.

Current solutions:

Clean Attys, using hot water and overnight drying. No change.
Use NEW carts, no change.
Use NEW attys, sucks. I hate primer. See solution one.

What I need help with, is figuring out how to get the Vaporbomb flavor, sans soap, without having to prime/top off my cart every 2 puffs. I want attys that aren't primed so I don't have to deal with that nasty mess. And I want to be King of the World. Whether this is a new juice vendor or not, whether this is new hardware...I just don't know.

I WANT this to work. My family is supportive. Hell, even my possessed mother-in-law wants it to work.

Thanks for reading the rant and thanks for any possible solutions.
Steve

 

[FenderMetalheade]

You could try some boge cartomizers. I had similar issues with attys. Unless you plan on doing alot of dripping, cartomizers are the way to go. If you like alot of vapor, go with low resistance cartos.

 

[swedishfish]

I buy a lot of juice from vapor bomb and never noticed a soapy taste. But taste is really subjective. Their juice does need to steep though. It definitely does get better when it steeps a week or two. I know that's no great help if you need juice now. I think it's OK when I get it but it does improve with age.

I'm no help with the atomizer/carts. I really don't like them and just use cartomizers. They might be worth a try. You get a better vape (IMO) and less mess. Plus they hold a lot more juice.

 

[swedishfish]

What type of flavors do you like? Tobacco or other flavors?

 

[Valsacar]

Not sure what the soapy flavor is, but burnt sounds like the atty just isn't ready yet (especially if you cleaned and dried it). Give it at least 5 drops, or what I've done before is drop a good amount in, let it sit for a minute, blow it out (the atty), couple more drops and give it a go. Main thing is to get the wick nice and saturated, without flooding the atty. Generally just 3-5 drops on a fresh atty is enough, but some are just stubborn and need a bit more.

Most vendors offer double flavor, sometimes it's obvious on their site, sometimes you have to contact them. Might be worth a try, at least until your taste buds come back a bit. I would also contact VB about it (maybe have someone else try, to make sure it's not just you), they might be willing to do a swap. Only time I've had a soapy flavor was when I didn't rinse the bottle enough (I mix most of my own now) before using it.

I'm not a fan of cartos myself, but a lot of people seem to enjoy them better.

 

[swedishfish]

If you want to try cartomizers, Joogler Juice has a special, a box of LR cartomizers are $6.00 and you get a free bottle of juice. I tried their peach juice and fruit striped gum and both are pretty good. I think the code is ECF05 for first time buyers.

**Nevermind- this is for 510's.

 

[nanovapr]

{snippage} blow it out (the atty), couple more drops and give it a go. Main thing is to get the wick nice and saturated, without flooding the atty.

Beat me to it, Valsacar. I was going to suggest blowing out the primer before adding real juice. My first cart was 5 minutes of primer. I thought. "AUGH, WELL, AT LEAST IT'S NOT KILLING ME. I COULD LEARN TO LOVE IT. YEAH, THAT'S IT".

Then I re-read some of the tips online, and realized I was vaping what was not meant to be vaped....

 

[Boodle]

Sounds like your attys may be getting gunked. Send me a PM and I'll send you a couple dual coil cartomizers. See if that helps. Some juice tastes perfume-eel others soapy. You'll find the right juice! Congrats for hanging in... It's worth it!

 

[dormouse]

Carts suck

Buy cartomizers. You may be able to use KR808D-1 cartos DSE901 cartos can be hard to find. The LeCig D1 cartos may work but I don't know how refillable they are. I use Vapor4Life blanks for my KR808D-1. You can also find Boge cartos. Look for LR cartos if you want hotter ones.

Buy different PG/VG juices elsewhere. The Liberty Flights PG juices (and most juices that are only available in PG) are probably Chinese. You need to work at finding juices you like. There are lots of good juices. Apparently you just didn't buy any. Try Backwoods Brew, FreedomSmokeUSA, Tasty Vapor

 

[swedishfish]

Sounds like your attys may be getting gunked. Send me a PM and I'll send you a couple dual coil cartomizers. See if that helps. Some juice tastes perfume-eel others soapy. You'll find the right juice! Congrats for hanging in... It's worth it!

That's very nice of you!

 

[dormouse]

Are there dual coils for 901?

 

[swedishfish]

I wonder if you can use an adaptor?

You can probably get the cartos and adaptor at LF.

 

[Rickajho]

From one noob to another I wouldn't change equipment yet. This did/does take some figuring out at first.

From what you describe - cleaning, priming, fully saturated cart, refilling after two or three hits... - it sounds to me like you are flooding the atty with juice. I found early on with my Joye eGo hardware that too much of anything doesn't work. Seems that if too much liquid gets down to the base of the atty - well below the atty wick where it shouldn't be - that extra liquid is just in the wrong place and starts to "fry" as the atty coil is heated. It's like you are vaping from the atty wick and dry burning at the base of the atty at the same time.

One dead tip off that this is the problem is if the filler in the atty - and the fluid in it - is getting discolored/dark. The filler will have plenty of fluid in it, but it will be taking on a browish or burned looking tinge. I'm assuming at this point - since you have mentioned cleanings - that you know how to blow out an atty. Blow, blow, blow onto a paper towel and see if you are getting fluids out. I'm betting you will - a lot.

Mr. Coffee or Melitta? If you use cone paper coffee filters this helps to get excess juice out: Cut some small strips out of the coffee filter - you need no more than a piece about 1" long by a bit over a 1/4" wide. After you have blown the bejeezus out of there put that strip of coffee filter down the sides of the atty tube - avoiding the atty in the middle - and use that strip of coffee filter to swab out even more juice out if it's collected in the base.

The cone filter paper is heavier than the basket type filters and works better. It's stiff enough that you can even put a bit of curve into it when you pinch it between your thumb and forefinger, curving it to fit down the wall of the atty.

Blow again - see if any more juice comes out. Is it easier to just blow air through it by now?

Is your cart too wet? The filler shouldn't be so wet that it's practically dripping. If it's ok, make sure the filler is flush with the top edge of the cart. In other words, make sure it is not pushed or stuffed down into the cart. If it's not at the edge that will prevent the filler from making contact with the atty., which equals nasty burned taste. Pull it back up with a paper clip as needed.

At this point - because of my concern you might be flooding the atty when you are trying to prime it with e-juice - I would put the cart back on and leave it alone for about 5 minutes. E-cig upright so the atty can absorb some liquid from the filler. (I'm not the one that said it first - but when it comes to e-cigs gravity is your friend.) Try it again and see what you get.

I'm betting you have too much liquid in there and in the wrong places. At least that was one of my first learning mistakes. There's a technique issue here with something you aren't doing right - we WILL figure this out!

The soapy taste? Don't know what to make of that. The mother-in-law? Sorry - you're on your own.

Rick

 

[dormouse]

I don;t think of cartomizers as new equipment but rather as the way to vape most people prefer over cart+atty

 

[lukeyvapo]

I guess it's not everyone's thing.

 

[Devilman2075]

I guess it's not everyone's thing.

I wouldn't put it like this. There is just alot more to finding what you like than picking the same pack youve been buying for years at the gas station.

Theres a learning curve to everything but I'd recommend cartomizers just like others stated. They are a little less hassle than a standard cart and atty.

 

[Bigmike228]

First things first, don't get discouraged theres a learning curve to e-cigs. I once sucked juice from an oversaturated cartridge into my mouth and swallowed thinking "wow, this is the warm vapor people talk about"? Not knowing I actually sucked down some juice. Cartridges never worked for me. So I blew out my atomizer real good and took all that foam stuff in the cartridge out. Dripped a couple of drops of liquid onto the atomizer and used the empty cartridge as a tip. 3 drops = about 4-5 drags for me.

 

[wv2win]

The suggestion of trying blank cartomizers is a good one. With your atomizers, fill them with PGA, (pure grain alcohol ) and rinse them out with that. It's a good cleaning agent and doesn't leave any after taste.

 

[Dartster]

Thanks for all the replies and help! Here's what I've done so far.

Atty: Verified that there's no liquid at the base. I'm very careful to hit the wick when I'm dripping, and not letting it run down the side. I noticed that there is a protrusion that actually touches the side of the atty and it's coming from where the wick looks doubled over, right at the top. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be there or not, but it is there. It's brownish, but it may be a ground point.

Cart: It had an indentation, so I pulled it back flush with the edge. Once I did this, it seemed less wet. I figure this means I'm putting the right amount of liquid in, it's just not getting to the atty correctly. The performance seems to have picked up a bit from this fix. It still has a hint of 'burnt' in it, but not nearly as bad as before.

Juice: I got this juice from VaporBomb about a month ago, and it seems to have matured a bit. At least the cola has. Not as much of a soapy flavor as before, but that may also be from the cleaner burn (boil?). I will try some other vendors and see how that goes. The strength of the flavor is there, so at least I'm on the right track. Please don't take this as a knock on VaporBomb as it isn't one. I know my tastebuds are having serious issues with the back and forth of ecigs and analogs.

I think I'll try the cartomizer option and see where that takes me. Besides the burnt taste, which I know will be fixed at some point in this learning process, it's the constant refilling of these tiny carts that is annoying me. I have a feeling that using cartos will fix the primer issue as well.

Again, thanks for all the help and support. I should have come back sooner but frustrations set me back.

Steve