UPDATE- 9/19/14 Michigan bill (SB 1018) would define "vapor products" as "smokeless tobacco", tax e-liquid at $.10/ml, impose tobacco licensure

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MI bill (SB 1018) introduced to define vapor products as “smokeless tobacco”, tax “vapor products” at $.10/ml of e-liquid, tax “moist snuff” at $.53/ounce, tax “alternative nicotine products” at $.0003/mg, require “vapor product” marketers to comply with MI tobacco licensing laws; bill referred to Senate Finance Cmte
Michigan Legislature - Senate Bill 1018 (2014)
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2013-2014/billintroduced/Senate/htm/2014-SIB-1018.htm

Since SB 1018 only amends Sections 2, 6, 7 and 12 of the MI Tobacco Tax Act, the other sections of that statute would need to be analyzed to determine the other impacts of the bill on "vapor products" (including tobacco licensure).

I suspect that SB 1018 may be sponsored by Altria because:
- Altria is beginning to market "MarkTen" e-cigs nationwide, and SB 1018 benefits large cigarette companies and cigalikes at the expense of e-liquid marketers,
- Altria has lobbied many states to tax "moist snuff" by the ounce (instead of % of price) since Altria's Skoal and Copenhagen cost nearly twice as much as Reynolds' Grizzly,
- Altria is now test marketing a dissolvable "alternative nicotine product" called Verve, which would barely be taxed by SB 1018.

Although SB 1018 would tax e-liquid somewhat similarly as Reynolds' sponsored legislation in NC (and in OK last year), Reynolds has opposed Altria's lobbying efforts to tax moist snuff by the ounce, as Reynolds benefits from taxing moist snuff as a percentage of price (since Grizzly costs only about half as much as
Altria's Skoal and Copenhagen and is only taxed at about half the rate as Altria's snuff products).

SB 1018's proposed $.53/ounce tax on snuff would reduce MI's current 32% tax on Altria's Skoal and Copenhagen, but would probably increase the tax on Reynolds' Grizzly.
 
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I've subsequently heard that Reynolds is joining forces with Altria in support of SB 1018.

They're attempting to exploit the ongoing opposition by ANTZ to the MI bill that would ban e-cig sales to minors, and both Reynolds and Altria will benefit financially from the e-cig provisions of SB 1018 (because it will cost e-liquid and other e-cig companies a lot more money to comply with the provisions of the bill than it will cost Reynolds or Altria).
 

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American Vaping Association and Independent Vapor Outlets of Michigan oppose Big Tobacco sponsored bill (SB 1018) to protect cigarettes and tobacco manufacturers by taxing e-cigs, falsely redefining e-cigs as smokeless tobacco, and imposing unwarranted, costly and potentially deadly tobacco regulations on e-cig companies in MI.
AVA Opposes Proposed Michigan Tax on Vaping Products - The American Vaping Association


If you live in Michigan, please see the following CASAA alert and contact your state Rep(s) and Senator(s)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-excise-sin-tax-e-cigarettes-call-action.html
 
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- Altria is beginning to market "MarkTen" e-cigs nationwide, and SB 1018 benefits large cigarette companies and cigalikes at the expense of e-liquid marketers,

I tried MarkTen a couple weeks back (because I like to be well-informed), and I can state without hesitation that it is the single most disgusting, revolting vapor product I have ever had the misfortune of sampling. If you set fire to a piece of chalk and inhaled the fumes, that's about what it tasted like.
 

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I wanted to try the Vuze... but I didn't want to give them my money... sadly, I want a vape shop to treat vuze just like a juice and let me just take a couple puffs... let everyone, just so we can satisfy our curiosity without everyone running out and buying them. Then again... maybe it would work well for us all to run out and buy them and then just suddenly stop, so they over-produce?! Hmmm... I like the thought but that wont work.

I'm just so upset/confused about the taxation and regulation push. I *might* accept a tiny tiny tax, to pay for quit-smoking campaigns that view vaping as a saf(er) choice based on what we currently know... so sick of the 'but we don't know, there haven't been super long studies'... well, duh! Time takes time. I would also want an acknowledgement that nicotine juice is NOT a tobacco product etc.

Then again, I often ask for terms that will never be met... :(
 

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I *might* accept a tiny tiny tax, to pay for quit-smoking campaigns that view vaping as a saf(er) choice based on what we currently know...

That would be great, if there was any anti-smoking campaign that actually cared about reducing the number of people who smoke. All we currently have are a bunch of alphabet soup health organizations whose message amounts to "all forms of nicotine are addictive, hazardous, and deadly, unless it's from Big Pharma, then it's perfectly harmless."
 

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Wait... are you saying they DON'T actually have my best interests in mind?

Well, not meaning to hijack in any way, so here is a quote from above. I have contacted them a few times, we need everyone to do their part and if you copy/paste the form letter from places like CASAA, please remember to personalize it... the less identical the better. I actually start mine off now saying 'this is not a copy/paste, this is personalized' in an attempt that they may not just count it as 1 more click-through.

American Vaping Association and Independent Vapor Outlets of Michigan oppose Big Tobacco sponsored bill (SB 1018) to protect cigarettes and tobacco manufacturers by taxing e-cigs, falsely redefining e-cigs as smokeless tobacco, and imposing unwarranted, costly and potentially deadly tobacco regulations on e-cig companies in MI.
AVA Opposes Proposed Michigan Tax on Vaping Products - The American Vaping Association


If you live in Michigan, please see the following CASAA alert and contact your state Rep(s) and Senator(s)
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-excise-sin-tax-e-cigarettes-call-action.html
 

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That would be great, if there was any anti-smoking campaign that actually cared about reducing the number of people who smoke. All we currently have are a bunch of alphabet soup health organizations whose message amounts to "all forms of nicotine are addictive, hazardous, and deadly, unless it's from Big Pharma, then it's perfectly harmless."
And I betcha those same people all go to McDonald's on their lunch breaks... Because that's not nearly as harmful as vaping, right?

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