Upgrading from my 1st -- Advice please?

[WaywardMage]

Good day, all. =)

I've been reading this forum for a few days now and I must admit I'm overwhelmed by the depth and quantity of information. I've read several "Which is best for me?" posts and several posts describing each of the different models; however, I'm still a little lost as I don't really have anything to compare with. I've read pages and pages about the 510 and 901 and the m401 and etc., but the descriptions don't mean much to me without knowing what it is I have. Therefore, I'd like to provide as much information as I can about what I have and what I like/don't like about it and see if I can get some advice.

Last week I purchased an njoy 2N1 Starter Kit. This is the one that's just a battery and screw on disposable cartridge/atomizer. I've been using the cartridge that's labelled 1.8% (apparently, this is a full-flavor). I wanted to pick up something locally and throw myself into the process just so I'd have some idea of what I was talking about rather than just ask questions with no idea how to follow-up, and this was about the only thing I could find locally.

First off, here is what I like (and let me add, my list of likes isn't set in stone, I'm willing to adjust here if it helps eliminate the problems I'm seeing):

1. vaping. =)
2. The small size, I can unscrew it and drop it into my pack with my regular smokes and lighter
3. Ease of use -- screw it on and vape, it doesn't get any easier. Especially for driving.
4. Throat Hit -- It's good when I first start a cartridge but tends to weaken pretty quickly
5. Flavor is good, I guess...I don't really have much to compare to besides the regular cigarettes

And here's what I don't like so much

1. Battery life -- I have two batteries and I'm using up both between getting up in the morning and coming home from work (9-5 job)
2. Cost of the cartridges -- Where I live a pack of cigarettes is actually about the same price as the cartridges and they're worth (supposedly) 15 cigarettes, so I'm actually losing money on the vaping
3. The e-cig seems like it just fills the time between analog cigarettes and I find myself getting anxious until my next analog cigarette, even though I'm vaping the full flavor cartridge
4. Draw is a bit harder than I'm used to with an analog and seems somehow wasted. With a regular analog I draw until I feel a little burn and then inhale, with these I never get that burn and it feels like I'm drawing forever before I inhale and then I don't really feel it. I find myself actually inhaling off of the e-cig rather than drawing and then inhaling.

Knowing the above, can anyone offer some advice about where I should look next? Or, information that would be just as valuable, would be to tell me if what I've got is one of the commonly mentioned models (510, 901, etc.) so I can do my own comparison based on what I've read in the forums.

Any advice will be welcome =)

 

[SimpleSins]

If you like the convenience of your two piece, you might want to look into the KR808. I don't use that one myself, but I know several people on here do and while they do have to change batteries more often than some with the bigger battery ones, the convenience, size, and flavor more than make up for it in their estimation. You can fill the cartomizers with the juice of your choice, and in my opinion the juice is the hardest part of the whole vaping experience.

I'm sure someone will be along who can give you more advice on the specifics of that model, but it sounds like it might be a great next step for you.

 

[WaywardMage]

If you like the convenience of your two piece, you might want to look into the KR808....You can fill the cartomizers with the juice of your choice, and in my opinion the juice is the hardest part of the whole vaping experience.

Thanks for the reply!

I listed the convenience of the two piece as one of my likes, but I kind of expected the advice would lead me to the juice, especially in light of the cost savings.

 

[tarheeldan]

I think the Njoy Npro is a RN4081...but apparently the 2N1 is somehow improved a bit. Njoy, from reviews I've read, provides a solid product and good customer service, but a very large markup which in the long run may be too prohibitive.

At any rate, I agree with SimpleSins on the 808 suggestion, since 2 piece will be easy for you to use. For size, you can try the shorties...but I'm not sure how battery life compares between them and the NPro (check out the mAh ratings for this)

Your 1.8% strength is probably translates to 18mg/ml nicotine content. Many find that 24mg/ml is more suitable...and since you feel edgy between analogs, this might be part of it. PG based juices (versus VG) or a higher nic content will increase this.

Flavor, well..that's super subjective. And if vaping starts replacing more and more cigs, you'll find your taste buds change too, so I recommend not stocking up *too* much on flavors you currently like, just in case you don't like them later.

EDIT: As you alluded to, buying your own juices to fill cartos with will be much cheaper. And prolly taste better. I get all my juice from TastyVapor (doublers make things much cheaper once you find a flavor you like a lot), but there are tons of great suppliers and a wealth of reviews in the forum to browse through.

Hope this helps a little

 

[SimpleSins]

Juice is such a toughy. Especially at first, I recommend getting samples when you can. Things that sound good don't necessarily taste good. Especially if you've been smoking for any length of time, the taste buds aren't not necessarily as good as they could be.

My current personal favorite is FreedomSmokeUSA I've had a lot of trouble finding anything that I can taste and enjoy and this is the first place that has been able to give me something I can taste. They also have sample sizes in a wide array of flavors, and small 5 mL bottles that are inexpensive if you wanted to get a specific strength.

 

[Upinthehills]

I think the Njoy is an RN4081. It sounds like you have an automatic battery. I started with that, too. The battery life is a huge pain. Trust me, there are much better units out there for probably half what you paid for yours.

If I were you, I would go to the ECF library and read this series: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ping-illustrated-guide-e-cigs-part-1-6-a.html

That is a good start to help you with understanding the different models and what they are like. After you've gotten a feel for the different models, come back here. Someone will help you find a good pv (personal vaporizer, I prefer this term to e-cig.)

Welcome to ECF!

 

[WaywardMage]

If I were you, I would go to the ECF library and read this series: 36180-wonderful-world-vaping-illustrated-guide-e-cigs-part-1-6-a.html

Welcome to ECF!

I have read that guide (and it is a wonderful guide ), but I said in my original post, I wasn't sure how what I was reading compared to what I had. When it says, the X has more vapor than the Y, but I've got a Z, it's hard to really connect the dots there. :-/

Thanks for the reply, and for the welcome!

 

[Free2BMe]

The 2-piece (KR808D-1 or various other names suppliers call their stock) is easy and simple to use. If you want to stick with that for now, you can look into XL batteries which are longer and will last longer for you. You might want to also check out CigEasy's Elegant or VaporNine's Defender. Both of those are KR808 styles with longer lasting batteries than even the XL...the appearance is a little different from "analog" appearance too, though. Along with that, get you some blank cartomizers and juice to fill them with and you will be set to vape some delicious flavors for several hours.

Hope that helps.

 

[Upinthehills]

I'm going to do a quick recommendation because it's bedtime around here. After my RN 4081 I got a 510. I had the same issues with battery life, but I really liked that it was a manual. After that I started getting some of the bigger batteries for the 510, otherwise called eGos/Rivas/Evos, etc. I really, really like those. The batteries will last me anywhere from 4-8 hours of pretty constant use (depending on the mahs) and they can be used with cartomizers, attys and carts, or attys and a drip tip. I just like the versatility of them. I also like the looks of them and how easy it is to find parts.

 

[Free2BMe]

p.s. I believe what you now have is or very similar to the KR808 style....battery and cartomizer 2-piece style.

 

[WaywardMage]

I think the Njoy Npro is a RN4081

That's something I was looking to find out. Thanks!

At any rate, I agree with SimpleSins on the 808 suggestion, since 2 piece will be easy for you to use. For size, you can try the shorties...but I'm not sure how battery life compares between them and the NPro

I'm not married to the size when it comes down to size vs. battery life. I'd gladly move up to a larger model if it means longer battery life. Today I ended up smoking analogs all the way home because both of my batteries were dead.

Many find that 24mg/ml is more suitable...and since you feel edgy between analogs, this might be part of it. PG based juices (versus VG) or a higher nic content will increase this.

That makes sense.

EDIT: As you alluded to, buying your own juices to fill cartos with will be much cheaper. And prolly taste better.

As you said, my taste buds will probably change as I move away from the analogs, so I guess I shouldn't worry too much about the taste this early on. However, price is definitely a factor.

Hope this helps a little

It helps a lot, thanks for the input!

 

[cskent]

Quite a few people like the 808's, but I haven't used one personally. My suggestion would be the 510 starter kit. Get a couple packs of cartos and you've got a two piece. Hold on to the atty's that come in the kit so if you decide to upgrade to an Ego you just need a battery and a charger. 510's have good th, produce good vapor, are economical and adaptable. If you want all day vape with a stock 510 simply buy a PT, PCC, extra batteries, or a car charger, whatever works for you.

 

[WaywardMage]

If you want to stick with that for now, you can look into XL batteries which are longer and will last longer for you. You might want to also check out CigEasy's Elegant or VaporNine's Defender. Both of those are KR808 styles with longer lasting batteries than even the XL...
Hope that helps.

That does help, thanks for your input!

 

[WaywardMage]

Quite a few people like the 808's, but I haven't used one personally. My suggestion would be the 510 starter kit. Get a couple packs of cartos and you've got a two piece.

I've read a lot about the 510, and now, thanks to the comments above, I know how that compares with what I've got.

Thanks for your input!

 

[skylar]

Hi,
I am very new to vaping and read a lot here before ordering my pv and also asked for advice. I wound up the the Ego. I wanted a good th and I wanted it to be easy to start. I ordered the ego kit from cignot along with 5 cartomizers and a couple of small bottles of e juice. I also got a needle and syringe from my pharmacy although you can get them online. I find the cartomizers easy although they are spendy (on sale right now on a few sites.) I just pop off the two pieces on top and fill with juice. The batteries last hours and you can put alot of juice in the cartomizers. I have been using the same two since last week and they are still working. When I go anywhere I have both batteries and two full carts with me. I haven't had any problem and find this very easy. I will eventually try other methods but this is working well right now.

Skylar

 

[WaywardMage]

I also got a needle and syringe from my pharmacy although you can get them online. I find the cartomizers easy although they are spendy (on sale right now on a few sites.) I just pop off the two pieces on top and fill with juice.

Thanks for the information. It's things like this that tend to put me off of the juice. I don't think I can manage to work a needle and syringe and pop off the top two pieces while driving...

In all seriousness, though, I do see where you're going here. It's kind of the best of both worlds where you can re-use the cartomizers, but I'm not sure I'm quite ready for that just yet, having never even used the juice.

 

[Upinthehills]

Refilling cartomizers is very easy and most don't need a needle and syringe. For most of them, you can just pop off the top and drip inside until it's filled. And...you don't do it while driving at all. You fill however many you think you'll need for a day and go. Then just like what you're using now, just unscrew the old one and screw on a new one.

I used to use cartomizers quite a bit but have moved on now. They were good for me for a long time, though.

 

[The Big Chief]

reading her post has me thinking a kr808. I usually suggest mega 510 with cartos, but Im feeling shes a cartomiser for sure, but 510 would be too sensitive in auto, and manual might be going off in that cig pack. She needs a good transition model with battery life, good hit, and good flavor to find her swing of things and get off analogs. Im convinced the kr808, with the posts ive read about em, will suit well in this case.

 

[WaywardMage]

Refilling cartomizers is very easy and most don't need a needle and syringe. For most of them, you can just pop off the top and drip inside until it's filled.

That sounds a lot easier than I was thinking it would be. On the one I've got, there's a hole in the top (where you inhale from). Do you have to keep the cartomizers upright so the fluid doesn't run out or is contained? For that matter, is that fluid exactly whats in them now? For some reason I was thinking a whatever was in them now would be a semi-solid mixture more like a gel.

 

[cskent]

Thanks for the information. It's things like this that tend to put me off of the juice. I don't think I can manage to work a needle and syringe and pop off the top two pieces while driving...

In all seriousness, though, I do see where you're going here. It's kind of the best of both worlds where you can re-use the cartomizers, but I'm not sure I'm quite ready for that just yet, having never even used the juice.

It's really easy to fill a cartomizer, especially if you have the soft cap type. Just pry off the white top and drip juice into it. Keep dripping until it's saturated. If you overfill it juice will come out the bottom so you know you've got too much. When that happens just blow through it onto a paper towel and the extra juice will come out. Put the cap back on, screw it onto your battery and you're ready to vape. The hard cap cartos are almost as easy because you can just drip into the hole into the battery end. It's just harder to tell when it's full. I've never messed with the syringe method because I don't think there's any need to.