Upstate ny, had anyone ever tried a rectangle coil?

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Popeaa

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I'm new here or to any ecig forum. I've had this idea for a long while about building and vaping on a rectangular (ish) shaped coil. It seems like it would be a mix between a coil wrap and a stove top build.
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Just a couple pics of what my basic idea looks like here.
My thought process is that a rectangular shaped coIL has more surface area to heat the cotton wicked through it, therefore more heat transfer and more vapor. And also, of this is properly placed over an air flow port, it could open up some mean flavor.

I have not tried this at all, but want some input and want to see if anyone else has tried this before.

-Alex
 

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I'm new here or to any ecig forum. I've had this idea for a long while about building and vaping on a rectangular (ish) shaped coil. It seems like it would be a mix between a coil wrap and a stove top build.View attachment 677799 View attachment 677801


Just a couple pics of what my basic idea looks like here.
My thought process is that a rectangular shaped coIL has more surface area to heat the cotton wicked through it, therefore more heat transfer and more vapor. And also, of this is properly placed over an air flow port, it could open up some mean flavor.

I have not tried this at all, but want some input and want to see if anyone else has tried this before.

-Alex

@Boden can give you some insight here. He calls it the radiator coil:)
Check out his efficiency testing, in which he includes the radiator - Wire/coil gauge efficiency testing
 

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Beat me to it.;) He also has some videos on YT about it

:pervy: I tried a few times to make one pretty but really couldn't. Kept deforming on me. Probably shoulda used lower gauge and not wrapped in parallel. After watching the vid, I really see why. Never annealed the thing. Now I gotta get a torch.
 

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Thanks for the replies and information guys. I didn't think that I would be the first person to think of this. I don't have a base to build on except the rta base in my baby beast. Theres not much room there for experimenting.

I'll get into a decent rba soon and I'm going to experiment and see what results I come up with.

@Boden do you like the results of the radiator coil? Is it worth me pursuing?
 

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Well after some curious builds, a lot of frustration, and a couple new bases to build on, I've come up with an update to this idea.

The "radiator coil" is hard to build right if you don't have a torch or a lot of patience. Getting this coil straight and heating evenly is torture. BUT, when you get it right, it's awesome.
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I'm running this 26 gauge twisted wire paralleled with a 22 gauge wire wrapped around a zip tie. I'm running it on the Pulse 24 RDA. 7 wraps comes out to 0.42 ohms.

Flavor on this specific build is low. My thoughts is too much air flow, not enough surface area to make flavor pop. But throw in a another one, and the deal changed, which is my next step. I think everyone should try and build this.
 

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I have build a pair of rectangular coils in an Indulgence MT tank, so arranged where the coil was vertical above the air intake towers and externally wicked. The air stream shot through the center of the coil unimpeded. I chose the rectangular shape as this was the shape of the intake ports. It was a beast, frankly, and vaped like a dream. I never repeated the experiment, however, as the MT was famous for leaking like a fire hose if it was not perfectly wicked, and the external wicking required was a chore in that tank.

Unfortunately, I fear you are misinformed regarding "greater surface area" with a rectangular coil unless you are using an atty with such a cramped deck you can fit more wire in with a rectangular pattern than a round one. For any given wire (material, gauge and construction) and presuming an equal number of wraps, the surface area of a rectangular coil is identical to the surface area of a round coil with a diameter of 2 * sqrt{(H*W)/π} where H and W are the height and width of the rectangle in any units of measure you like, with the diameter given in the same units. If the math confuses you, take the area of the rectangle. Assume a circle of identical area; solve for the radius by taking the square root of the area divided by Pi; then multiply by 2 for the diameter. This is true because both coils will contain the exact same length of the same wire (ignoring the legs), and therefore having the same surface area. Another way of looking at it is: build your rectangular coil, then shove a conical probe down the center to undo all your hard work and "round" the coil out. It will still have the exact same amount of wire and the same surface.

But don't let my cussed nitpickiness disturb you. By all means, build all the rectangular coils you like and enjoy. If you will arrange them like a chimney above the intake ports and wick them outside the wraps, they'll steam like mad and the vape will be a bit hotter than you will be used to from a center wicked coil of the same build. And, I suppose, I should also mention if you happen to have an atty with a circular (or oval or triangular or etc.) ports, building a coil in that shape and arranging the air flow through the center will offer similar performance.

Edit: Back to the math. The ratio of circumference (or perimeter) to area with a rectangle is greater than that of a circle, yes. But all that means is it takes more cotton to fill the coil, not that you're getting any more in contact with the wire. Still, perhaps there is some benefit there, especially at very high watts, as there will be more juiced wick close to the wire with a rectangle. That might make a noticeable difference by having a greater "reservoir" right handy to the heat where it's needed. But if so, you're skating pretty close to the wick's ability to transport juice and risking a dry hit on every puff.
 
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The only potential problem I could imagine is the chance of uneven heating, with more heat in the bends vis-a-vis the straightaways.

That might even be a net benefit.
I take your meaning, but this was not my experience. It is possible to even the glow with strumming, just like a round coil.
 

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My comments on surface area had more to do with too much air passing through the atty itself with not enough actual coil to provide adequate "air to vapor" ratio, if that's even a thing. Through my unscientific research, I've found that there is a sweet spot between the amount of coil to the amount of air flowing through an atty, to produce a desireable vape (subjective of course). So what I mean in my previous post is that a dual coIL setup with that exact coil duplicated next to it would be better.

I just made this tonight:

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It's a monstrosity. It's a triple parallel 24 gauge wrap that comes out to 0.40 ohms. I'll give more of a review on what it's like tomorrow after I vape on it for a full day. I don't have a ruler handy to measure anything, but this is a 24mm postless build deck.

I'm testing extremes here I guess, but it capes pretty nice, besides the fact that it eats juice like crazy haha. Tomorrow I'll have more
 

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My comments on surface area had more to do with too much air passing through the atty itself with not enough actual coil to provide adequate "air to vapor" ratio, if that's even a thing. Through my unscientific research, I've found that there is a sweet spot between the amount of coil to the amount of air flowing through an atty, to produce a desireable vape (subjective of course). So what I mean in my previous post is that a dual coIL setup with that exact coil duplicated next to it would be better.

I just made this tonight:

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It's a monstrosity. It's a triple parallel 24 gauge wrap that comes out to 0.40 ohms. I'll give more of a review on what it's like tomorrow after I vape on it for a full day. I don't have a ruler handy to measure anything, but this is a 24mm postless build deck.

I'm testing extremes here I guess, but it capes pretty nice, besides the fact that it eats juice like crazy haha. Tomorrow I'll have more
Then I have misunderstood you. Apologies if you judge them indicated. You are, of course, perfectly correct. It is necessary to match the air flow with the vapor stream to attain the maximum performance in whichever regime (flavor, cloud, both, whatever) you are building for.
 

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Awesome first thread, welcome to the forum!

I think ramp up/down will be of utmost importance of you plan to wick internally for that build. I'm with Suprtkr in thinking the thin, wide wick could have a tremendous initial hit, but probably couldn't support long draws without scorching.

On the other hand, it could also wick much faster. If that were the case I'd assume long strand cotton or rayon would help. I gotta think a big flat slab-o-cotton like that will dry hit spectacularly.
 
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