USS Vapor...A Social experiment

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UntamedRose

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I had an idea pop in my head last night......want to bounce it around with ya'll see how it holds up.

My husbands, battle group is leaving for a nine month deployment this July.
These sailors will not only be leaving their families for nine months, will miss all the major holidays, they are going into hostel waters, will be working 60-90 hour work weeks, and are not expecting a lot of liberty ports.(at this point None, but they are unlikely to do that to the crews. Not going to be a fun cruise)
So the living conditions are going to be about as stressful as you can get for these sailors.

What if I took two small boys, with crews of roughly 350 at least 100 of them will be smokers.
Use one ship as a control... they continue with their Normal stop smoking programs. Which includes all the lectures one could ask for from the medical officers, and totally free patches, gum and pills.

The smokers of the other ship, are given an explanation on the ins and outs, and how to's of e-cigs. Online support for issues and problems.
510 starter kits, and charging station ports in the major work stations.
Set the ship store/ or a POC up with spare parts and e-liquid. Everything they would need.
They will still have access to regular cig's from the ship store, lib ports and other smokers. So the possiblity to fail is still there.


Possible Info Gained....
How many/% smokers take the bait and attempt to quit.
How many/% successfully quit smoking vaping vs traditional methods in a controlled but stressful environments.
Could do self reported medical reports, survey how they feel smoking and then after vaping for nine months.
The whole battle group is planning on or just finished taking the PRT (Physical readiness test/ 1.5 mile run, sit ups, push ups) will have another while out at sea and they will have another PRT when they return. PRT's are done about every six months.
So we could compare PRT results before, right after starting and after vaping for a while.


So thoughts, input, let me know I'm an idiot :p ETC...........
 

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I think it would it would be a great idea. I have no idea who you would have to contact to get it done. I did have a vendor's permit to deliver Sub sandwitches on Fort Ord and go from barracks to barracks selling them as well. But that is quite a bit different than trying to start an experiment.

Good luck and I wish you and your family good luck and all the best.
 

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Ok I'm not saying it will be this way with every branch of the military but....

I served as an 0311 in the USMC. I still keep in contact with many of the people I served with that are still active duty. Quite a few of them have starting vaping, but have had to be very careful with how they get their orders.

I tried sending one Marine a birthday present and after quite some time I found out they were told they would not be allowed to receive E-Cigarette or E-Cigarette supplies on base. And that any incoming mail identified from an E-Cigarette merchant would be confiscated.

Don't ask me why as I have no idea of the exact reasoning. The only reason they found out what I sent to him was because he opened it in front of the wrong people.

Anyhow they use off-base mailboxes now when placing orders for this stuff.

Not long ago I was talking to Chris at CigTechs and he had a package sent to a US Army base that was returned and not allowed either.

So yes, you may want to speak with command first. Especially seeing as the USMC is a department of the Navy and if they didn't allow it then the US Navy might not as well.

Who knows though... This could all be part of the proposed tobacco prohibition in the US Military, or simply a lack of education on E-Cigarettes. It doesn't seem consistent either as some marines I know on other bases haven't had this problem.

There is that "Stealth" E-Cigarette you can find via a google search that was designed with the military in mind.
 
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It would be a fantastic controlled study but I think we are all forgetting about one thing . The US Military is part of the Federal Government and they are the ones pushing for the ban . There is noway they will take part in a study that could positively prove the benefits of e-cigs that they couldn't in anyway refute . It is a great Idea though .:thumb:
 

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It would be a fantastic controlled study but I think we are all forgetting about one thing . The US Military is part of the Federal Government and they are the ones pushing for the ban . There is noway they will take part in a study that could positively prove the benefits of e-cigs that they couldn't in anyway refute . It is a great Idea though .:thumb:

You have a pretty good point there.
 

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[...] The US Military is part of the Federal Government and they are the ones pushing for the ban .[...]

I think you misunderstand the dynamics of the problem. "The Federal Government" is not "pushing" for a ban. There are "special interests" that are in no way a part of the Federal Government that are "pushing" for a ban.
 

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I think you misunderstand the dynamics of the problem. "The Federal Government" is not "pushing" for a ban. There are "special interests" that are in no way a part of the Federal Government that are "pushing" for a ban.

Federal Government? Special Interests?
I fail to see the difference.
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Rose, I'd say if you have an in, go ask. The worst thing they can do is tell you no.

If there aren't any specific orders about e-cigs and you can find a sympathetic individual, either captain or doc, this might be just what they need. We all know how sorry the NRTs are, and if they don't do something they're going to lose every smoker in the Navy as soon as their enlistments are up. Talk about a manning problem!

Besides, I sure wouldn't want to be cooped up on a ship with a bunch of jonesing nic addicts! :shock:
 

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I think you misunderstand the dynamics of the problem. "The Federal Government" is not "pushing" for a ban. There are "special interests" that are in no way a part of the Federal Government that are "pushing" for a ban.
I beg to differ the federal tax dollars lost due to smokers switching could be in the billions. The FDA is part of the federal government are they no ?
Anything is worth trying and it doesn't hurt to ask just don't be surprised if they say no.
 
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Yah, to be honest the fed does have a "special interest" in maintaining their cashflow from cigarette taxes. [...]

I beg to differ the federal tax dollars lost due to smokers switching could be in the billions. The FDA is part of the federal government are they no ? [...]

I stand corrected! :) Sorry, I had tunnel-vision from concentrating on the ALA recently. They seem to be the primary force behind the bans.

Also, it turns out that an ECF member (teissenb) is a full-on research scientist. He may be interested in helping in some way.

I've also emailed Dr. Brad Rodu (For Smokers Only and Tobacco Truth Blog). I linked this thread, and asked him if he would care to give some advice.
 
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Just an Update...

I have a medical prof(specializes in premature infants) who is interested in overseeing and possible publishing. Hasnt "signed the dotted line" but really likes the idea. Currently at Omaha, but taught at Oxford for several years (come on that impressed me..)

Had a meeting with a CMC yesterday evening. He is a smoker himself, at worst if nothing else comes out of this I converted him. He gave the project a good to go. But prior to a meeting with the Cap, wants me to speak with Navy legal...so I've got another step in there.


Edit: Sorry a CMC is the Command Master Chief...he's the top dog of all the enlisted. Just going up the chain of command
 
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