Vamped 40 vs vtc4 vs mxjo

[Asquad]

ive been using the vamped vapor cells for a few months now, but after reading tons of negative review i decided to test them out.

i just got a few new batteries and decided to test the internal resistance of each. First i tried the vamped vapor cell . The voltage drop off the atomizer was horrible. 4.17 volts off my mod with a 2.8 volts off the atty. not impressed. And to top it off i was told these cells would out perform by my B&M. Defiantly not buying these any more. next i threw in the trusty old vtc4. this cell topped off at 3.345 volts off the atty. i took a rip and notices the vapor is warmer and cloud production was noticeably more. next the yellow mxjo. with a higher mah capacity i was not expecting too much, however , this cell gave me 3.410 volts at the atty. i tried a rip on it and instantly got a dry hit.... i guess i haven't been wicking tight enough since using the vampeds . rewicked the coils and WOW.
internal resistance-
vamped 22mohm
vtc4 8mohm
mxjo 7mohm

i just found my new favorite cells. the yellow mxjo 35amp 2500mah.

 

[Thrasher]

The mxjo is a lg he2 last time I checked they may have went to the he3
35a pulse 20 amp cont.
and many believe the vamped is a sanyo

 

[Ryedan]

internal resistance-
vamped 22mohm
vtc4 8mohm
mxjo 7mohm

Just wondering where you got the internal resistance numbers from.

There are no 35A continuous IMR hybrid batteries in existence today, that's a marketing ploy by the folks who rewrap batteries. They publish burst numbers instead of continuous and then jack up prices because they are 'better'. Last time I checked you could get a real Samsung 25R from Illumination supply for $6. LG HE2 are a buck more if I remember correctly and both have real, proven ability to deliver 20A continuous safely. Illumn does not sell counterfeits.

The only batteries rated to 30A are the Sony VTC series.

 

[Thrasher]

Just got 4 he2 from rtd last week 7.50 ea

 

[Asquad]

Just wondering where you got the internal resistance numbers from.

There are no 35A continuous IMR hybrid batteries in existence today, that's a marketing ploy by the folks who rewrap batteries. They publish burst numbers instead of continuous and then jack up prices because they are 'better'. Last time I checked you could get a real Samsung 25R from Illumination supply for $6. LG HE2 are a buck more if I remember correctly and both have real, proven ability to deliver 20A continuous safely. Illumn does not sell counterfeits.

The only batteries rated to 30A are the Sony VTC series.

i calculated the resistance my self. Used a formula from my electrical engineering text book. Internal resistance is voltage drop x (coil resistance x voltage drop) . measured voltage off my mod and then off the post on my atty while its fired.

 

[ImThatGuy]

The mxjo is a lg he2 last time I checked they may have went to the he3
35a pulse 20 amp cont.
and many believe the vamped is a sanyo

Where is this information from?

 

[Thrasher]

I found it on candlepower forums someone pulled the wrappers off and matched the casing info to the lg data sheets. Not saying thats the cell they use right now but they are confirmed rewraps.

Same thing with the new efest, they found sony cells inside

 

[ImThatGuy]

I found it on candlepower forums someone pulled the wrappers off and matched the casing info to the lg data sheets. Not saying thats the cell they use right now but they are confirmed rewraps.

Same thing with the new efest, they found sony cells inside

I have looked everywhere to support your claim and found nothing. Can you please provide a link to this information? Ever since the other thread when I took first notice of the claim mxjo's are lghe2 re-wrapped, I've been looking for evidence to support your claim and came up with nothing. Just all: I think, I thought, tests show, it's comparable so it must be, etc. Nothing conclusive.

 

[Thrasher]

Ill try to find some links tonight when I have time

But in the mean time the exact same claims



how many dif labels these guys actually make?

People can do what they want but that makes me real leary.

www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?390234-Test-Review-of-AWT-IMR18650-2500mAh-(Yellow)

This is a 2500mAh cell will very high current rating. The 35A is a bit optimistic.

 

[Thrasher]

awt is a known rewrapper of premium cells the New ones are even stronger.

40 amps!!! Im sure mxjo will change the wrappers and swear on reddit they make these too

In case you didnt know mxjo was on reddit saying they made the 35a cells when clearly awt did it first.

Just the fact these guys change wrappers at will to flood the market and creat their own competition and the fact they refuse to publish data sheets on their website should be warning enough somethings not jelling

One more for good measure lol



But I say if your gonna go for chinese unknowns .35 amp is for chumps when you can have 60




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Well im not sure where I saw it . I do know it was by HKJ and he is the owner of flashlight information. He is the one responsible for all the testing and charts we all use. It was a statement that he (at that time) found the cells to be lg from the codes he found on the cans. Now he has the tests and information labeled " unknown cells" so I dont know whats going on now ...........

 

[ImThatGuy]

So...you're saying that AWT are rewrapped MXJO? or MXJO rewrapped AWT? So, does that mean AWT are rewrapped LGHE2s as well?

 

[Ryedan]

So...you're saying that AWT are rewrapped MXJO? or MXJO rewrapped AWT? So, does that mean AWT are rewrapped LGHE2s as well?

I had a look at the AWT discharge, capacity graph from Thrasher's link to HKJ's data. I compared the 30A test there to the 35A test results from Illumination Supply in my post here(second graph). The AWT curve looks very similar to the Samsung 25R from Illumn.

Same break from the quick drop at the left between 3.5 - 3.6V. Same 2000 mAh at 2.8V and the curve looks the same in between.

The AWT are also clearly not VTC4, VTC5 or HE2.

Without seeing data on the MXJO, knowing that the only battery that is in the 25R's league at 30 or 35A is a VTC5 and I assume if they have a source for those they would advertise them as VTC5s, I have to assume it is either a VTC4 or another 25R. However, if the mAh claim is accurate it has to be a 25R.

Assuming all the data is accurate, LOL.

Isn't this stuff fun!

 

[Ryedan]

I do know it was by HKJ and he is the owner of flashlight information. He is the one responsible for all the testing and charts we all use. It was a statement that he (at that time) found the cells to be lg from the codes he found on the cans. Now he has the tests and information labeled " unknown cells" so I dont know whats going on now ...........

I never saw his statement that he felt they were HE2, but you know, they could have been at one time. This is one of the issues I have with re-wrappers. They can change the cells any time and they don't have say anything. After all, they are still <insert name of re-wraped batt here>.