Vaping 0mg vs cigarettes?

[MobileVortex]

My point was to illustrate that vapor differs from smoke, especially in the case of vaping, in that it does not contain partial combustion byproducts nor does it contain dissolved solids.

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[Gramdogg]

My point was to illustrate that vapor differs from smoke, especially in the case of vaping, in that it does not contain partial combustion byproducts nor does it contain dissolved solids.

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Yeah that was what I ment by vapor can be smoke but smoke can't be vapor as seen in bwh79's definition "at a temperature lower then it's critical temperature". But using other definitions it can be as well lol. It's too confusing by definition basically all I was saying. It's easier just to say there is no combustion process then get technical on the definitions as we see.

If you want to get technical...

"In physics, a vapor is a substance in the gas phase at a temperature lower than its critical temperature, which means that the vapor can be condensed into a liquid by increasing the pressure on it without decreasing the temperature."

"Smoke is a collection of liquid and solid particulates and gases emitted when a material undergoes combustion or pyrolysis, together with the quantity of air that is entrained or otherwise mixed into the mass."

So, vapor is "a substance in the gas phase," and smoke is "a collection of liquid and solid particulates." I think that pretty definitively means that smoke is not vapor, and vapor is not smoke. Additionally, what our devices produce is not technically a vapor either, but an aerosol:

"An aerosol is a colloid of fine solid particles or liquid droplets, in air or another gas. [...] Examples of aerosols are fog, steam, haze, and smoke."

So smoke is an aerosol. And steam is also an aerosol. But so what? Squares are polygons, and triangles are also polygons, but I don't think you'll find anyone arguing that that means they are the same thing. Squares are very much not the same as triangles, and vice versa. Likewise, just because they're both aerosols, does not mean that smoke and steam are the same thing. Our devices do produce an aerosol, and smoke is also an aerosol, but what's produced by our devices is more akin to steam than it is to smoke.

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Again your using definition A but omitting definition B C D etc.. same goes for both. I was just saying using say definition D for smoke and definition C for vapor they are the same just how you can do the same thing with aerosol but with other definitions they can't be aerosols either lol. . We all know smoke from a cig is bad smoke, vapor from a vaper is better and areosol from a can shouldn't be inhaled unless it's a medical device. I should have kept my mouth shut lol. Basically just saying smoke without combustion is easier for a new vapor to understand then just saying it's not smoke it's vapor. Even if they look up the vapor definition they will still be confused like I was unless you supply the definitions your referring to as well. Hope that explanation was good enough lol.

 

[MobileVortex]

Ahh I see what's being gotten at. There's confusion because in science gasses can be referred to as vapors, like the amount of water vapor in the air. I even confused myself as I don't think of vaping in those terms.

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[bwh79]

Again your using definition A but omitting definition B C D etc.. same goes for both. I was just saying using say definition D for smoke and definition C for vapor they are the same just how you can do the same thing with aerosol but with other definitions they can't be aerosols either lol.

What are these other definitions? Please show me a definition of "smoke" that includes whatever it is that comes out of our vaping devices.

 

[MobileVortex]

I think what he was getting at is that smoke is an aerosol, and mist, fog, clouds, dissolved VG and PG in air, are also aerosols. In general aerosols that contain dissolved solid particles are called smokes, among other things.

Further reading can be found here: Aerosol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unfortunately vapor is really a poor word to accurately describe what we are exhaling, at least in a scientific context. Although I believe at this point most people know what we are talking about when we say vapor in the context of vaping.

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[Gramdogg]

Ahh I see what's being gotten at. There's confusion because in science gasses can be referred to as vapors, like the amount of water vapor in the air. I even confused myself as I don't think of vaping in those terms.

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Yeah exactly that's why I was confused when I started. I could see it so the term vapor confused me. All 3 and 1 more "fume" can refer to a liquid or solid form which is visibly suspended in air but all I knew was I can see it. If it was what I thought (was taught) vapor was It should be invisible. Ithought because of science they must mean steam.. my friend was vaping 400f

 

[Gramdogg]

I think what he was getting at is that smoke is an aerosol, and mist, fog, clouds, dissolved VG and PG in air, are also aerosols. In general aerosols that contain dissolved solid particles are called smokes, among other things.

Further reading can be found here: Aerosol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unfortunately vapor is really a poor word to accurately describe what we are exhaling, at least in a scientific context. Although I believe at this point most people know what we are talking about when we say vapor in the context of vaping.

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Wow I really didn't expect anyone to research longer then 10 secs and basically call me an idiot and move on. WTG man you rock. They should have called it cool to warm mist IMO. Friend asked me if I wanted to try 400f.... "NO" lol. Glad I eventually figured out what it was and tried it, sure if I told any non vapor I vape at 500f they'd think i'm crazy too lol.

 

[Gramdogg]

What are these other definitions? Please show me a definition of "smoke" that includes whatever it is that comes out of our vaping devices.

Verb 1 and noun "typically" not always, I never smoked a day in my life isn't a lie by verb 2 and 3 lol.
smoke/smōk/
noun
a visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air, typically one emitted from a burning substance.
verb
emit smoke or visible vapor.
cure or preserve (meat or fish) by exposure to smoke.
kill (someone) by shooting.

 

[bwh79]

Verb 1 and noun "typically" not always, I never smoked a day in my life isn't a lie by verb 2 and 3 lol.
smoke/smōk/
noun
a visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air, typically one emitted from a burning substance.
verb
emit smoke or visible vapor.
cure or preserve (meat or fish) by exposure to smoke.
kill (someone) by shooting.

Sure, you got me. I'm done. Call it "smoke" if you want. I'm out.

 

[BrotherBob]

Welcome and glad you joined.

 

[Maestro]

I am not that kind a smoker! I just want to buy that 0mg nicotine beacuse of smoke

Nicotine is not the problem. It's in the same class as caffeine. It won't hurt you ( in reasonable amounts). The biggest threat to your health is the flavoring. I suggest trying unflavored ejuice. The least dangerous part of the juice is the nicotine. Get whatever level you enjoy.

 

[laflare1017]

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