Hey all; this has been something that has been on my mind for a while. Does vaping nicotine have any adverse effect on building muscle? I lift weights 6 days a week and I'm a chain vaper. I give myself at least 45 minutes to an hour after lifting so my body can cool down before I take my next vape. I've read numerous articles online about SMOKING and lifting weights, but I have yet to find one on vaping. I have been lifting weights for over 9 months consistently and vaping for a year and a half to quit dipping. I eat like a horse and have not noticed any negative effect on my ability to gain muscle, but I am not sure if I could be missing out on more gaining if I didn't vape. Don't get me wrong, I love to vape and don't see myself quitting any time soon, but I'm curious. Does anybody have any info either from personal experience or research? Thanks for any input guys.
Vaping and Heavy Weightlifting?
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I have done no research, but I also train 6 days a week (3 on, 2 off), and have been for many years, at the Gold's here in Mesa. In my experience so far, there is no noticeable effect in regards to weight-lifting pro or con, with the exception of appetite.
For those who are eating in a surplus for weight gain, the nicotine can have a slight effect on damping down their appetite, but I honestly don't believe the effect is enough to be an issue.
I'm also a member of the forums on bodybuilding.com, and vaping has been discussed before....but no real adverse effects have been brought up.
On a lighter note, think of the strange looks you would get if you started vaping in between sets....lol.
For those who are eating in a surplus for weight gain, the nicotine can have a slight effect on damping down their appetite, but I honestly don't believe the effect is enough to be an issue.
I'm also a member of the forums on bodybuilding.com, and vaping has been discussed before....but no real adverse effects have been brought up.
On a lighter note, think of the strange looks you would get if you started vaping in between sets....lol.
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Thank you sir! Yeah I don't think I would do that haha! "Come at me bro! I'm vaping chocolate whey bro!"
Be careful and drink tons of water. I am 52 years young and play hockey about 4 night a week every winter. Last March I collapsed on the hockey rink from dehydration. The day before I vaped a 30ml of 24mg of Rootbeer. Could not help it as it was so good. After every test known to mankind over this past summer the doctor said " I don't know what you are doing but you have never been this healthy." Told him I quit smoking and started vaping. He said "You keep vaping then." he then changed my file to non smoker. CHEERS!
Great to hear about your health wheelie! The water is no concern on my end; I drink 1.5-2 gallons a day and I don't drink anything else except for milk. I admit that I am "that guy" that carries around a gallon all day
lol.
Me to now. Couple full bottles in my truck, one on coffee table, dresser and always drink lots during hockey this winter now. Don't wanta go through all them tests again.
Hahaha.....or even spike the e-juice with a bit of creatine. Now we're talking about being a beast, lol.
I'm gonna try to vape some Mr. Hyde pre-workout. Srs. But not really srs.
Hey mate! As a fellow person who often takes the time to queue up Goodbye Horses while liberally applying oil to better study oneself in the mirror, I've had this on my radar. I have some bad news and some semi-good news.
The bad news is that something about smoking definitely inhibits bone growth and delivery of blood to places where it needs to go for healing. If you're doing heavy lifting, you're aware of how important it is to get the proteins and such where they need to go so existing tissue isn't cannibalized to repair your muscles.
The predominant theory is it's thought to be the nicotine and such, to the point where many surgeons (especially orthopedic) won't allow someone to be on the patch before surgery, and they generally all recommend against using it afterwards, because it lowers the success rate. Going into surgery and then recovery cold-turkey doesn't sound fun.
http://www.virginia.edu/uvaprint/HSC/pdf/05021.pdf
The semi-good news is that there's various research out there saying it may not be the nicotine, or not only the nicotine. We know when people switch to vaping their circulation improves, and other compounds are coming under suspicion...
Is it the Nicotine? Hsu Researching Bone Healing in Smokers : Feinberg School of Medicine: Feinberg School of Medicine: Northwestern University
The bad news is that something about smoking definitely inhibits bone growth and delivery of blood to places where it needs to go for healing. If you're doing heavy lifting, you're aware of how important it is to get the proteins and such where they need to go so existing tissue isn't cannibalized to repair your muscles.
The predominant theory is it's thought to be the nicotine and such, to the point where many surgeons (especially orthopedic) won't allow someone to be on the patch before surgery, and they generally all recommend against using it afterwards, because it lowers the success rate. Going into surgery and then recovery cold-turkey doesn't sound fun.
http://www.virginia.edu/uvaprint/HSC/pdf/05021.pdf
The semi-good news is that there's various research out there saying it may not be the nicotine, or not only the nicotine. We know when people switch to vaping their circulation improves, and other compounds are coming under suspicion...
Is it the Nicotine? Hsu Researching Bone Healing in Smokers : Feinberg School of Medicine: Feinberg School of Medicine: Northwestern University
Isn't that like .74g of nicotine LOL no offense but I'm honestly surprised your heart didn't jump through your shirt, I didn't realise one could ingest that much nicotine in one day and live..! How did you feel after?
Edit LOL I've had four beers and my multiplication is at inebriated levels. More like .72g (please say that one's right)
None what so ever. I vape all the time but when I need something heavy lifted, I get my wrestler son to do it. If anything, he can lift even more now that I started vaping and stopped smoking.
I havent felt any ill effects mixing working out and vaping.
Of course I smoked and went to the gym for years. At the end I really did feel the effects, I just didnt have the wind or endurance.
That all came back when I started vaping. I refused to do any cardio after I left the ARMY, but since vaping I actually enjoy it.
At 44 years old I dont lift heavy anymore. I am an ectomorph and have come to terms with the fact that I am going to be six foot 2 and between 190-220 lbs. I am not going to be a 315lb pro body builder. I also dont want to injure myself, not even a little bit.
In the ARMY I could squat, deadlift and Bench press 315lbs for 6 sets of 6. Now I rarely squat or bench more than 135lbs, but I have increased my reps to 12-20 x 3 sets.
I work out in the morning, I dont vape until after the workout, supplements and breakfast.
Of course I smoked and went to the gym for years. At the end I really did feel the effects, I just didnt have the wind or endurance.
That all came back when I started vaping. I refused to do any cardio after I left the ARMY, but since vaping I actually enjoy it.
At 44 years old I dont lift heavy anymore. I am an ectomorph and have come to terms with the fact that I am going to be six foot 2 and between 190-220 lbs. I am not going to be a 315lb pro body builder. I also dont want to injure myself, not even a little bit.
In the ARMY I could squat, deadlift and Bench press 315lbs for 6 sets of 6. Now I rarely squat or bench more than 135lbs, but I have increased my reps to 12-20 x 3 sets.
I work out in the morning, I dont vape until after the workout, supplements and breakfast.
Nicotine can be administered in amounts that cause weight loss in clinical trials with animals and humans, and it probably has that effect on many people either in cigarette smoke or as the pure material in ecigs, so it wouldn't be a great choice if you're trying to put on weight. Nicotine is a good choice if you wish to lose weight, since it can't do any harm in reasonable amounts. Nobody knows if it is the reduction of appetite and/or a pharmacological effect that causes the weight loss.
Smoking probably has more of an effect as it looks as if there is more than one compound at work reducing weight there; plus there is some sort of effect on thyroid activity as well, for some people. We don't yet know if it is the nicotine content in the smoke that is having this particular effect (see the sticky on symptoms, in the Health section).
As regards healing, it's more than likely that nicotine has little or no effect, and it is some other compound/s in cigarette smoke that inhibit healing - if any negative effect seen can be separated from all other causes in the first place, that is. After all, pro-pharma anti-nicotine propagandists use two separate arguments that directly contradict each other:
- "Nicotine enhances and increases cancer because it increases vascularity by improving blood flow and the growth of new blood vessels. Therefore it promotes tumour growth."
Or:
- "Nicotine cannot be consumed either before or after surgery because it compromises vascularity. It prevents good blood flow and restricts repair of and growth of new blood vessels, tissue and bone. Therefore we will not operate on smokers or vapers."
Obviously you can't have both - it's one or the other (or neither). The trouble with lying is that it becomes very difficult to maintain consistency. A successful liar needs a really excellent memory (you have to remember which lie you told to who), and lying by a group is very difficult to maintain. The same goes for myths - they are notoriously hard to keep from getting out of hand. As we can see from the above, these things are hard to keep credible, and the nicotine story has clearly failed.
We know beyond doubt that nicotine has no association of any kind with cancer; and it is probably something else in cigarette smoke that impacts healing.
For a healthy, fit person the acute effects of high-quantity nicotine consumption during heavy exercise (temporary vasoconstriction) probably wouldn't be significant, although with older people attempting heavy lifting, it would be a good idea to be sure of the cardiovascular health situation first.
Small amounts of nicotine probably improve mental and physical performance.
Chronic nicotine consumption lowers the blood pressure slightly (see Dr Newhouse's work). This means long-term consumption of reasonable (not excessive) amounts of pure nicotine, as against smoking.
As a 40-year sports coach at international level I'd advise active competitors to avoid high volume nicotine consumption, especially when they need to gain weight. Low volume isn't really going to have any implications, apart from the fact that if you are competing at national level and above in a really gruelling event such as long distance running, pro boxing at 10 rounds or more, or Class A Thai boxing, you will probably gain from being as clean as possible; and any consumption by lung inhalation will reduce your performance vs your competitors. It might only be a 1 or 2% drag but that's often enough to count.
On the other hand, pre-contest *low* dosage of some materials such as nicotine, caffeine or arnica are likely to have a benefit.
30 mils? @24mg? Wow. That's impressive. Perhaps not advisable for everyone, though.
I'd be interested to know how you maintain electrolyte balance, it isn't easy at that water volume.
Hahaha
Smoking probably has more of an effect as it looks as if there is more than one compound at work reducing weight there; plus there is some sort of effect on thyroid activity as well, for some people. We don't yet know if it is the nicotine content in the smoke that is having this particular effect (see the sticky on symptoms, in the Health section).
As regards healing, it's more than likely that nicotine has little or no effect, and it is some other compound/s in cigarette smoke that inhibit healing - if any negative effect seen can be separated from all other causes in the first place, that is. After all, pro-pharma anti-nicotine propagandists use two separate arguments that directly contradict each other:
- "Nicotine enhances and increases cancer because it increases vascularity by improving blood flow and the growth of new blood vessels. Therefore it promotes tumour growth."
Or:
- "Nicotine cannot be consumed either before or after surgery because it compromises vascularity. It prevents good blood flow and restricts repair of and growth of new blood vessels, tissue and bone. Therefore we will not operate on smokers or vapers."
Obviously you can't have both - it's one or the other (or neither). The trouble with lying is that it becomes very difficult to maintain consistency. A successful liar needs a really excellent memory (you have to remember which lie you told to who), and lying by a group is very difficult to maintain. The same goes for myths - they are notoriously hard to keep from getting out of hand. As we can see from the above, these things are hard to keep credible, and the nicotine story has clearly failed.
We know beyond doubt that nicotine has no association of any kind with cancer; and it is probably something else in cigarette smoke that impacts healing.
For a healthy, fit person the acute effects of high-quantity nicotine consumption during heavy exercise (temporary vasoconstriction) probably wouldn't be significant, although with older people attempting heavy lifting, it would be a good idea to be sure of the cardiovascular health situation first.
Small amounts of nicotine probably improve mental and physical performance.
Chronic nicotine consumption lowers the blood pressure slightly (see Dr Newhouse's work). This means long-term consumption of reasonable (not excessive) amounts of pure nicotine, as against smoking.
As a 40-year sports coach at international level I'd advise active competitors to avoid high volume nicotine consumption, especially when they need to gain weight. Low volume isn't really going to have any implications, apart from the fact that if you are competing at national level and above in a really gruelling event such as long distance running, pro boxing at 10 rounds or more, or Class A Thai boxing, you will probably gain from being as clean as possible; and any consumption by lung inhalation will reduce your performance vs your competitors. It might only be a 1 or 2% drag but that's often enough to count.
On the other hand, pre-contest *low* dosage of some materials such as nicotine, caffeine or arnica are likely to have a benefit.
30 mils? @24mg? Wow. That's impressive. Perhaps not advisable for everyone, though.
I'd be interested to know how you maintain electrolyte balance, it isn't easy at that water volume.
Hahaha
IF the reports regarding smoking and lifting, BLAME nicotine.. Then yes alternate methods of use for nicotine, could have the same affects. Now if its the other chemicals from smoking, or cause by the affect of combustion, you could be safe.
I smoked and lifted from my late teens to 30. I could not tell if there was an adverse relationship. I also drank a bottle of beer before lifting. My brother said it would help. Although I think my brother just liked to drink beer.
Of course I wasn't lifting to be in a competition.
I doubt there is anything from vaping. Then again if you are looking for that .0000001% gain on others.. there may be.
Of course I wasn't lifting to be in a competition.
I doubt there is anything from vaping. Then again if you are looking for that .0000001% gain on others.. there may be.
Holy spotted cows, what mod where you using and how long did it take. I used to be part of the "Low oHm's crowd" and even at a .2 and several batteries later at a vape meet I still only topped out a t 15 ml of 6mg juice (Felt woozy after that, not a good feeling). Anyways good that your still breathing and walking after that, good E Juice is like a fine wine, to be enjoy slowly and savored with each long draw is my opinion.
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