Vaping and oxygen tank use *NEED HELP ASAP*

[bassnut]

I seriously doubt that...VG decomp to acrolene (spelling) happens at 250F...if our atties were burning that hot VG would not be safe at all to vape...I'll stick with the lab verified numbers as far as temperature goes even if it was the FDA lab

Dry attys glow red. I was a little off before in my numbers.
900F is when steel begins to glow faintly in the daylight. When you're looking at a cherry red (or orange?) glowing atty coil, the temp must be over 1000F.

Do a dry burn on an atty and see it for yourself. Don't let it glow for more than a few seconds lest you fry it.

Attys don't reach these glowing temperatures when vg/pg liquid is present. You won't see the glow until all of the liquid is vaporized. I explained that principal earlier. We're talking about dry attys.

 

[Drozd]

Dry attys glow red. I was a little off before in my numbers.
900F is when steel begins to glow faintly in the daylight. When you're looking at a cherry red (or orange?) glowing atty coil, the temp must be over 1000F.

I don't need to be told about steel...I'm an ironworker...I know and understand steel...I work with and cut and handle it daily...
I seriously doubt that the temperature on a glowing atty coil is that hot, not does it require near that temperature to get thin nichrome wire to glow as it does steel...have you measured it?...if it were I doubt the paint on the outside of an atty would survive without bubling and flaking

Do a dry burn on an atty and see it for yourself. Don't let it glow for more than a few seconds lest you fry it.

Funny I dry burn my atties all the time...keeping them glowing for more than 10 seconds at a go to burn off the crud that builds up on them....havent lost one yet...

Attys don't reach these glowing temperatures when vg/pg liquid is present. You won't see the glow until all of the liquid is vaporized. I explained that principal earlier. We're talking about dry attys.[/QUOTE] The point was the operating temperature of a PV in use and whether it would be bad to use in an oxygenated atmosphere....what we're talking about is the OP's question...not sure why his mother would be burning dry atties....

Sigh.....I've got a temperature probe for my DMM guess I'm going to have to dry an atty and probe the coil on a manual 510 to give you the actual numbers and show you that you're wrong....

 

[bassnut]

Fine .
Prove me wrong. I have no dog in this fight other than to get at the truth.
I just don't want anyone to get hurt.

 

[Drozd]

Fine .
Prove me wrong. I have no dog in this fight other than to get at the truth.
I just don't want anyone to get hurt.

neither do I...I've worked with steel, cutting torches, oxy tanks, and other gas cylinders for the majority of my working life...
Simple fact is a good majority of people don't really understand em...
The lab reports point to temperatures much lower on a PV than you're quoting...
And misinformation is more likely to get someone hurt...or more worried about the possibility of being hurt than they need to be..

 

[Katya]

Osmitty, have you considered getting some snus (I prefer Swedish for its purity and long-term safety record) or dissolvable tobacco (like Ariva or Stonewall) for your mom? I think that for a person in her condition it just might be a much healthier option. My suggestion has nothing to do with the above debate about PV use around oxygen source, but rather with your mom's lungs. If she had pulmonary edema, her lungs really need to heal now and all they should be inhaling is fresh, highly oxygenated air without any additives, be it PG, VG, food colorings or flavorings, oils, and/or artificial sweeteners. If you need any help deciding what to get her, just visit the smokeless subforum and ask around. The folks there are very knowledgeable and helpful. If she doesn't like the idea, maybe she'd consider a nicotine patch. What does her pulmonologist say about her vaping?

Smokeless tobacco

 

[bassnut]

...or more worried about the possibility of being hurt than they need to be..

Agreed.
Pure oxygen is noncombustible so a hot atty at any temperature is not going to cause a fire. When I said "You've got a fire starter" earlier, I was perhaps being over-dramatic.
The ingredients of the fire triangle are heat, fuel and oxygen.
Pure oxygen added to the presence of an ample burning fuel source can get very dramatic indeed, as you know from your work.

 

[Drozd]

Agreed.
Pure oxygen is noncombustible so a hot atty at any temperature is not going to cause a fire. When I said "You've got a fire starter" earlier, I was perhaps being over-dramatic.
The ingredients of the fire triangle are heat, fuel and oxygen.
Pure oxygen added to the presence of an ample burning fuel source can get very dramatic indeed, as you know from your work.

right...but the assertion that an atty coil gets anywhere near that hot was cause for concern...
So I took a temp probe for my DMM and put it right on the coil of a dry atty...
at 5 seconds on a standard joye 510 the temperature on the coil came out to 180 F.....
then just to check I repeated that on a 510 atty on a KR8 battery (since it puts out a true 3.7V) ...and at the 15 sec cutoff it only got to 275 F... (which if I were vaping on VG would concern me slightly)...

but was no where near the 900-1000 F you had posted earlier..and about half as hot as the burning cherry of a cigarette...

 

[starsong]

I realize this is a very old thread, but I'm having the same question now about my aunt. I am comfortable with the safety information regarding vaping around oxygen. My question would be whether it is medically harmful or not. If someone is to the point of needing to carry oxygen to breath, then would vaping even be recommended? I know it is still a zillion times better than smoking, but I wonder if I should even go ahead and get these for her. She would not go for snus.

Osmitty, have you considered getting some snus (I prefer Swedish for its purity and long-term safety record) or dissolvable tobacco (like Ariva or Stonewall) for your mom? I think that for a person in her condition it just might be a much healthier option. My suggestion has nothing to do with the above debate about PV use around oxygen source, but rather with your mom's lungs. If she had pulmonary edema, her lungs really need to heal now and all they should be inhaling is fresh, highly oxygenated air without any additives, be it PG, VG, food colorings or flavorings, oils, and/or artificial sweeteners. If you need any help deciding what to get her, just visit the smokeless subforum and ask around. The folks there are very knowledgeable and helpful. If she doesn't like the idea, maybe she'd consider a nicotine patch. What does her pulmonologist say about her vaping?

Smokeless tobacco

 

[pigelty]

the best advice is to ask her doctor.

 

[starsong]

the best advice is to ask her doctor.

I thought about that. But there are still doctors out there that are uniformed or prejudiced. I suppose we can have her ask and see what kind of response she gets. But if he's on the side of the fence that thinks whatever the FDA says must be true, then we need a better informed opinion.

 

[Katya]

Starsong, I would really recommend that you look into the dissolvable tobacco for your Mom. If she won't go for snus, I suggest Ariva or Stonewall pellets (Stonewalls need to be cut in half, as they contain a whopping 4 mg of nic.) They come in several flavors, I like Wintergreen, Mint and Java (very sweet). Your Mom will get all the goodness from tobacco with no poisons and toxic fumes. They are easy to use, nothing to learn, and nothing to ignite a spark.

If it turns out that it's safe to vape around oxygen tanks, and your Mom really needs the hand-to-mouth action, try a simple PV, like 510 or kr808, get some blank cartos (Boge 510 and kr808, 3.Ω are the most reliable) and some unflavored PG (with or without nicotine) and see if that helps her. I buy the cleanest PG I can find, either from Cignot or Totally Wicked. I wouldn't use any flavored juices, though.

 

[medic123]

I work with a pro PV Doctor. I will ask him for an opinion on vaping with oxygen. Having been a Paramedic back when smoking was not outlawed we smoked in the ambulace with the oxygen going and no explosions.

 

[starsong]

Thanks all. And again, I am not worried about explosions -- just whether this is still OK for her lungs if she is at the point of needing oxygen.
As for alternative nicotine methods, I'll ask her. But that would never work for me because it's the experience of smoking I find appealing, which is why using a kr808 type PV got me off cigarettes.