Vaping doesn't like me, my throat can't handle it, Please help

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JeremyR

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Hey 77 congrats. You will get the hang of it don't worry first off when you start vaping I find its better to smoke like a cigar. Large hit into the mouth hold a second exhale. The nic will absorb in the mucus membranes like a cigar especially 24 mg. which really packs a punch. After doing that for a while start to take a short inhale after bringing into your mouth. Your taking it in way too fast trying to do deep lung hits. If you had 12 mg you may be able to do that easier. I started with 18 and found it was too high to each their own..
 

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I didn't read through everyone's replies, but I also wanted to add(if it hasn't already been added) but did you steep your juice? Some juices need to be steeped or they are virtually unvapeable. I had gotten 15ML of juice as a sample with my kit from some smoke website. The tobacco flavored was 50/50 PG/VG and 18mg of nicotine, I could smoke that right out of the box the day I got it in. I also got 10ML bottle of their RY4 flavor, I tried that the same day I got it in and I about got sick physically because it was so harsh. It killed my throat and I couldn't stop coughing. The ratio on that is 70/30 PG/VG so more PG which gives more of a Throat hit. After putting the RY4 in a cool dark cabinet with the cap off of it for 4 days, shaking it up daily, I could FINALLY vape it. The flavor was much better and the harshness had gone down a lot. I have actually been vaping it as an ADV lately. I don't really enjoy the flavor, but it's not too bad. Plus I have no choice but to vape it since I am waiting on other juice to come in. So maybe your juices need to steep?

Also, yes technique is another thing I had to learn, mind you today is day 7 for vaping, so I am still very new as well. I take a slow (4-6 second) draw, hold the vapor in my mouth for about 5 seconds or so and then inhale it. I don't get a crap ton of vapor, but I also can't take the long big draw's like some people can. You have to train your body and train your lungs how to vape, it isn't just a grab and go like some people think, there is a way to do this, then again, you need to experiment and find which way works best for you. Don't give up on vaping. It is a whole new learning experience for all of us newcomers and eventually we can get the hang of it. It's not easy....which is something I remember someone here first telling me, and I am glad they did lol, because it isn't easy. But in the end it is worth it. Keep at it, it may be frustrating for a bit, but keep trying and you will get the hang of it.
 

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Dont inhale. At least not at first until you are used to the vapor. And dont drag too hard too quickly.

It depends whether your throat feels very scratched up or you are "choking" on the vapor. If its a throat scratch, quit PG, reduce the nicotine, and lower the voltage. If you choke, see above about the drag.
 

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Thanks to everyone for the great suggestions, I can't believe there's already 3 pages of replies. I think I am going to start with adding some vg to the juice and go from there. I'm also going to start just holding it in my mouth then releasing. I really want to do this, as I said, I get winded easy and I am looking forward to being able to breathe easier. Thanks again. This is a great community and offers a lot of great support especially for a beginner like me.
 

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Just go my tatroe tank and some dekang usa mix juice, its 24mg but It is sooo much better, I can smoke this all day, It doesn't taste like a cigar like the johnson creek tennessee blend. Now could someone please point me where to get the "skirt" that transitions from the kgo to the tank, looks kinda funny right now, lol, But I love the tatroe tank, It will definetly hold up to my work. One more thing, does anyone know what ohms the protank heads are that come with the tatroe tank?
 

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You can keep power hitting into your mouth and letting out your nose. Like pbusardo does before he inhales. You will get a serious nicotine buzz like that. I got myself sick off 18 on my 3rd day when I got the draw down so watch out.. I would recommend getting a low mg and high so you can switch if it gets to be too much. Or cut it with vg but flavor will be reduced. I find 12-14 to be my Sweet spot for chaining all day long. Depends on how much you will be hitting it and how you are drawing. Ymmv
 

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    Just part of the learning curve my friend .. just part of the learning curve.
    The stardust type clearo uses a "top coil" design which is harsher than devices that use a bottom coil. If you want to continue using the stardust's you need to get them with a higher resistance coil. or use lower voltage.
    Good to see that you are figuring it out.
     

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    I did get the 24 strength e liquid so I wonder if it is too much for my throat, also I wonder if the pg is messing with me in some way. I don't know because I'm new to this but I have been on the computer for 5 days immersed in everything e cig.

    That's the first thing. I know, generally, folks suggest high nic for heavy smokers but I was in your neighborhood (two packs a day average) and had the same problem. I dropped to 12 - 18mg. 18 is "high" for me. I actually drop to 6mg in the evenings if I plan on sleeping at all that night!

    Johnson Creek (JC) has low and 0 nic liquids. One thing you could try is getting exactly the same flavors in the same amount but at 0 nicotine (they list it as 0.0%). Then mix them in equal amounts. That'll cut the nicotine level in half.

    I did find that I smoked much less after the kgo came in, And I mean the two packs I would've smoked turned into 1/2 a pack. It was fine, as long as I have something to put in my mouth and draw on I'm fine. The problem is, how can I keep vaping if it is so uncomfortable and painful. I wan't to be one of you who "Love's to Vape" but for now it's not so, It's more like torture.

    Well, first, it's progress right? It's a good sign. Same happened with me. I dropped immediately from two packs a day to maybe a half dozen cigs a day? Which stunned me.

    But it was six weeks before I stopped smoking at all. Not everybody quits the first day. Some do. They hit that "sweet spot" of vaping right off. Some take longer to find the right combinations of kit and widgets and liquids.

    I chose to not worry as long as my smoking was going down. Eventually, I ran out of cigarettes entirely and just didn't care. Which was so weird. But nice. :)

    Edit: I also wanted to add that I don't understand what the hype is about thoat hit and vapor production. I know I shouldn't compare smoking to vaping, but quitting is why I'm starting this in the first place, anyway here it goes. When I smoke, I take a drag, then inhale deeply, so much so that there is hardly any smoke that comes out on the exhale. Also, I smoke marlboro special blend golds, and I don't feel much a "throat hit" from them. So... why would I be looking for this in a vape. I have been watching pbursardo vape in the 100 or so videos I have watched of his, and I see alot of vapor on the exhale, but I can't hardly tell that he is inhaling other than blowing it out of his nose. Is he counting this as the inhale, cause like I said for 15 years I have been inhaling very deeply into my lungs. Is this what vapers do, or is it more of a quick un-noticeable inhale??? Sorry, I'm full of questions.

    Okay, you're like me then. I did the same thing. Deep, deep inhales. Very little smoke coming out on the exhale. Your habits will have to shift. And that may take a bit. Didn't take long with me but didn't happen overnight.

    Read this article and see if it applies: [url]http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/337017-inhalation-technique-e-cigarette.html[/URL].

    Definitely it applied to me.

    You ever smoked a pipe or cigar? It's more like that. As smokers, we were used to doing the "direct inhale". Direct and deep into the lungs to get the nicotine fast and as much as we could.

    In vaping, the nicotine is absorbed in the mouth and nasal passages. First, since you did deep inhales like I did, you're going to have to pay attention to the inhale. Slow it down. You've got years of habits of "get the nicotine in fast and deep". In the case of vaping, you want a more... oh, call it "leisurely" draw?

    The good thing is the flavor is a nice "guide". That is, the more you taste, the better you're doing your inhale. I've fallen into a slow "draw", holding in the mouth, sometimes even a "swishing" kind of thing I guess you'd call it, spending more time "tasting" the juice's flavor. Then I exhale out the nose.

    Very, very little is going to my lungs. But the exhale through the nose? You'll get additional flavor actually. Smell being a big, big part of taste.

    Also, holding in the mouth means the vapor is cooler when it does hit your throat. Which can make a difference. You may consider getting a Spinner or Twist battery. They're both variable voltage. Have little dials at the bottom so you can adjust the level of heat. I have some JC liquids and have to adjust my Twist to them. Something about their flavors, if it's "too hot" will irritate my nose some. Not sure what it is. I like their liquids but a set voltage battery doesn't seem to work well with them.

    Oh JC leans heavy to VG. Their "Red Oak Line" is 100% VG. Some people do have allergic reactions to VG and have to move more to the PG side of things. Though from what you describe, I'm more suspicious you are trying to inhale like smoking (years of habit, first six weeks, I'd still sometimes forget and end up trying to cough up a lung :) ) and the nic level may be too high.

    You'll have to do some experimenting.

    But, hey, it's working? You haven't found your personal "sweet spot" yet but you cut back smoking right? That's promising eh?
     

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    Lower nic would probably help. There you run the risk of not getting enough nic, but if you can only inhale for 2 sec now, you probably aren't getting much anyway. Maybe try some 18 mg/ml.

    I agree the nic level is the first thing to change. Like him, I was a fairly heavy smoker who did deep, deep draws. I thought I needed high nic. Didn't work. I ended up cutting way back.

    Interesting thing, the "cut off" on the Twist is 10 seconds? I often hit the cut off! Heh, just did the "one Mississippi" thing and got to six. So I'm doing about six second draws? Sometimes longer?

    I like this vaping thing. :) It's also why I had to cut back on the nic level even though I used to be a heavy smoker. I was "chain vaping" so much at the start, I couldn't get to sleep until something like 3 freaking in the ayam. And I ain't twenty anymore. I ain't even 40 anymore.

    <mutter> <grumble>

    :)
     

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    Thanks for the welcome. :)

    Yeah I had ordered a starter e-cig after seeing an ad online I think - I didn't put any research into it. So it sounds like some liquids are far superior to others. Is it just a matter of trial and error? Seems like you could spend a lot of money figuring out what is good...

    You can. One good thing is see if you have some vape shops around that allow you to sample liquids. Many do. That can really help when you're getting started...
     

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    Heavy, This may have something to do with it.. I did quit smoking cigarettes the day I got my first kit. Started with cigar hits and moved to short inhales. I had no issues transitioning.

    Tatroe tank.. That is great I want one..
    You need a cone here is one look for one no bigger then the tank diameter
    eGo Chrome Cone for the 5 mL Dual Coil Tank Cartomizer - DiscountVapers.com

    Thank you, I looked at my order again with cigtechs and they sent me the wrong thing. Here is what I ordered, Protank Rings, and this is what I got.
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    EDIT: Just talked to cigtech and they are sending me the right thing right away, they didn't hesitate. I give them 5 stars on customer service.
     
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    By the way, I stopped at walmart yesterday and got some vg and cut it into the Johnson Creek 24 mg Tennesee cured juice, 3 parts juice and 1 part vg plus the juice steeped for two days, and I must say it is much more satisfying. Now I am just hoping to find some some juice that has more vg to pg and good flavor without mixing it. The search begins.
     

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    Thanks for the welcome. :)

    Yeah I had ordered a starter e-cig after seeing an ad online I think - I didn't put any research into it. So it sounds like some liquids are far superior to others. Is it just a matter of trial and error? Seems like you could spend a lot of money figuring out what is good...

    in the beginning you can spend quite a bit to find flavors or devices that work for you- that said, I still spend less than what I spent on cartons of cigs each month. now that I've figured out how I want to vape and what I want to vape I spend a LOT less than I ever spent smoking. I feel better and happier, too.
     

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    Remember that your throat and lungs need tome to HEAL from the smoke you had been inhaling, too.

    Evidence also shows you don't really need to fully inhale (or inhale at all) to get the majority of the nicotine from vapor (it absorbs quickly through the membranes in your mouth). Just wallow it around in your mouth for a few seconds and blow it out slow (mouth/nose/both). Later, once your throat and lungs recover, you can try trickling a little vapor down the throat (possibly adding air from your nose simultaneously) to see how you handle it. Try that every month or so until you can handle it.

    If you are are using a VV or VW rig, also try turning down your voltage/wattage.
     
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