vaping learning curve?

[SteveM]

ok im new to vaping and im also also a business man trying to find the best product to appeal to new customers. im trying to figure out how to eliminate the learning curve for vaping. ive tried a few products that i think would appeal most to inexperienced new customers trying to find an alternative to smoking. so far i think that the ego-t or similar systems would be best because of the convenience of the tank and the look and marketability. the problems im having is that its hard for me to get them to work good out of the box specifically the burnt taste and poor performance out of a new atty. ive tried the standard ego-t atties, 510-t LR, mega lr ego-t atty, and a ce2 clearomizer. i hate the fact that you cant just take a new atty fill it up plug it in and not get good performance. is there any way to eliminate this process easily and effectively so that newbies arent turned off of vaping because of this? and are there vendors or other products that would be best for this situation?

I think that in order to make vaping more popular there needs to be a system that is easy to use, set up, and refill and performs great right out of the box. the ego-t concept is great and probably the best fit but has some major flaws.
what do you guys think?

also im trying to find a way to make a electronic hookah that would work best in a setting such as a regular hookah lounge if you have some ideas or have the same interests please let me know maybe we could work together i have some good ideas that might work but need some more opinions. my vision is to have analogs phased out for good and electronic smoking the replacement or the way of the future if you will.

 

[dormouse]

KR808D-1 w/ prefilled cartomizers - like Vapor4Life is easiest and I recommend manual batteries to make it harder for people to kill batteries if juice leaks

 

[MickeyRat]

KR808D-1 w/ prefilled cartomizers - like Vapor4Life is easiest and I recommend manual batteries to make it harder for people to kill batteries if juice leaks

I'm not a fan of them for myself but, I have to give this a +1. Personally, I found cartos easier to use than the tank. Carry some eGos or Rivas with 808 adapters as well as 510 cartos too. That way when people come back and say they like it but, the battery life is driving them nuts, you'll have a solution. I'm convinced that they won't all do that but, a lot will.

 

[alamor]

I have found that my Riva 510 works great for me. I just learned that you have to prime the atties so you don't get the burnt taste. I have been using the Riva for 3 months now, and I cannot find anything bad to say about my experience with them. I just make sure I clean my atties at least once a week or so.

 

[Stosh]

Part of the learning curve is also learning how to draw on an e-cig, low and slow, not like a regular smoke. Only a coach with the beginner would fix this problem. Learning what flavors YOU like is a big part of the experience, and it can be impossible to predict for any one vaper. (I can't believe the flavors some people rave about!! ) The size and shape that a noob is willing to use is also a factor, some couldn't care less, some have to have a "like an analog" PV.

Regarding an electronic hookah, real tough, vapor would condense in a long hose unlike smoke.
Unless each hose had an individual attty / carto and the hose was simply a battery connection to a central power source.

 

[SteveM]

thanks for the input guys i guess i never really looked into cartos i just like the tank becuase i can fill it up and it will last most of the day and i dont have to buy so many carts. carts can be refilled right and how long do they usually last? i have tried cleaning the tank atties with alcohol and letting them dry for awhile and it seems to help i just wish i didnt have to do this process of cleaning and tweaking the atties to get them to work right. i also wish the made a 5v+ ego-t because i love the batteries and the set up i just wonder if i would get better vape with more volts.

 

[Higbe33]

I love my Riva with 1100 mAH battery. The carts with attys were fine, but switched to cartos and like those better. Are you blowing out the packing juice on your new atty's? That stuff tastes awful, but you can blow it out from the threaded end.

If you're looking for something to hand out for folks to try, I would suggest the XL 510 battery and a couple cartos with some juice you like. 5 cartos in a box for about $8.00 and the XL batteries are $16.00 ea. That should last them most of the day and for $22.00 get a Riva battery that will last 2+ days. Good luck.

 

[Higbe33]

If you want to try an very nice 5v at a great price. Look here.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...uality-3-7v-box-mods-19-5v-box-mods-28-a.html

Got mine last week and the juices come alive. Need clear juices however.

 

[SteveM]

Part of the learning curve is also learning how to draw on an e-cig, low and slow, not like a regular smoke. Only a coach with the beginner would fix this problem. Learning what flavors YOU like is a big part of the experience, and it can be impossible to predict for any one vaper. (I can't believe the flavors some people rave about!! ) The size and shape that a noob is willing to use is also a factor, some couldn't care less, some have to have a "like an analog" PV.

Regarding an electronic hookah, real tough, vapor would condense in a long hose unlike smoke.
Unless each hose had an individual attty / carto and the hose was simply a battery connection to a central power source.

yea drawing a e-cig is very important i would have the sales rep explain that upon purchase or maybe include detailed instructions but i want to have three systems that would appeal to different folks such as a ecig look with cartos as a beginner and cheaper version then maybe a tank system for the middle end and like a 5v mod for the high end

the hookah part was similar to what i was thinking but idk if i would use a auto or manual switch, i would somehow have to design a hose that you could just plug in a atty and juice feed system with a switch and like you said the hose would just be a power source that would have to be regulated and what not. i want to design the hose to hook up to a table that would have 4 seperate hoses come out

 

[earthpig]

Kr808D-1's
510's
Prefilled carto's.

Biggest issue is carto consistency. In time they may (or may not) opt to fill carto's, and play with low ohm quality carto's like Boge/Bloog, others.
There is only so much you can do to ease the learning curve. You just have to hand old em a little and walk em through their mistakes and questions. If you can't answer em....don't waste your time. Don't bother selling stuff you don't have intimate knowledge of.
(I worked a mall kiosk for 6 mo's and we sold KR808D-1's. Like any chinese product, there are some issues (qc), but the learning curve of what customers wanted really doesn't match the findings you read here in ECF. They want simple, hassle free, cartos, and a replacement to emulate for what they are carrying in their pocket (a cigarette). Some are even disappointed they don't come in a "Virginia Slims" size, and most don't want the mass cigar size (we sold em, but they weren't popular)).

 

[earthpig]

Man, Don't waste your time with tank systems on newbies. Even many seasoned users don't bother with them.

 

[SteveM]

yes i do blow out the packing juice and clean them again i think that shouldnt be a step i think that atties should be plug and play like cartos. im not a fan of box mods i dont like the way they look/feel i might offer them as an option but to me the dont really appeal well to new vapers, dripping is a pain in the ... i dont think newbies would like that either

 

[MickeyRat]

Dripping is useful for sampling juice for anyone new or not. Sitting around dripping and vaping takes some practice but, one day don't be surprised if you wind up doing it.

You can run that tank on anything with a 510 connection. It'll look strange because in many cases you'll need to use a battery extension but, you can do it. Suggest you try some LR atomizers first.

 

[jwtaylor27]

ok im new to vaping and im also also a business man trying to find the best product to appeal to new customers. im trying to figure out how to eliminate the learning curve for vaping. ive tried a few products that i think would appeal most to inexperienced new customers trying to find an alternative to smoking. so far i think that the ego-t or similar systems would be best because of the convenience of the tank and the look and marketability. the problems im having is that its hard for me to get them to work good out of the box specifically the burnt taste and poor performance out of a new atty. ive tried the standard ego-t atties, 510-t LR, mega lr ego-t atty, and a ce2 clearomizer. i hate the fact that you cant just take a new atty fill it up plug it in and not get good performance. is there any way to eliminate this process easily and effectively so that newbies arent turned off of vaping because of this? and are there vendors or other products that would be best for this situation?

I think that in order to make vaping more popular there needs to be a system that is easy to use, set up, and refill and performs great right out of the box. the ego-t concept is great and probably the best fit but has some major flaws.
what do you guys think?

also im trying to find a way to make a electronic hookah that would work best in a setting such as a regular hookah lounge if you have some ideas or have the same interests please let me know maybe we could work together i have some good ideas that might work but need some more opinions. my vision is to have analogs phased out for good and electronic smoking the replacement or the way of the future if you will.

Maybe you need to get a variety. Every person is different. Some want portability and a real cigarette look out of an e cig. Some want models that produce alot of vapor and others are lloking for long battery life and good throat hit. A lot of newbies can be turned off by an overcomplicated pv and others might think its neat. Just get a variety L88B, 510, 901 etc and let your customers choose. Tell them the weakness' of each model as well as the strenghts.

 

[stillalive]

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^^I did find that through google. no clue how well it works though. I've been told that vaping at the right setup is supposed to be like hookah. I might get to try hookah for the first time tomorrow!

 

[earthpig]

The more models you sell, the more confusion there is and the more stock you end up warehousing.
Consider for a minute, how much money you can wrap up just in (say) 10 flavors with multiple nicotine levels of the same flavors, in 1 type of cartomizer. You need to stock at least 5 boxes of 5 carto's in each flavor and nic level, or you risk being bought out , and the next customer is stuck.
Now that's just one example.
For new vapers, there isn't a large need for multiple choices. If you have a good basic starter unit, and (maybe) a good higher end unit (which will sell less, by experience) , you cut your warehousing and cash outlay way down.
Also understand, the longer a customer is using prefillled, the more money you make. Not much profit in juices, and when you sell it, the customers start shopping other sources, and you've lost em. If you are a smart business person, you want to keep em on the hook, but never lie to a customer.

 

[pwyll]

Regarding an electronic hookah, real tough, vapor would condense in a long hose unlike smoke.
Unless each hose had an individual attty / carto and the hose was simply a battery connection to a central power source.

The design I'm working on is to have the atty/carto at the end of the "hose," which is itself merely an extension cable with a switch on it. This would allow the body of the "hookah" to be a central power source but each vaper to have individual control over their own flavour and vaping style.

 

[Stosh]

The design I'm working on is to have the atty/carto at the end of the "hose," which is itself merely an extension cable with a switch on it. This would allow the body of the "hookah" to be a central power source but each vaper to have individual control over their own flavour and vaping style.

Caveat : if you have say 4 "hoses" your central power source should be at least capable of supplying 12 amps, 3A per hose to be safe and have a little fudge factor on the possible maximum draw.

 

[SteveM]

thanks for the input guys i just ordered some smoktech dual coil lr mega carts i think this is what im going to end up going with offering a few different packages for customers, this isnt gonna be a full out retail store and like you said you give customers to many options sometimes they wont choose at all
stillalive- please let me know how that goes thanks bud!
pwyll and stosh - sounds like we could collaborate on something as far as making a ehookah for a lounge

 

[SteveM]

these smoktech carts are amazing