Vaping & Pregnancy

[JMarca]

Clearly you need to understand more about pregnancy. There are many substances in the mothers blood that will not pass all the way through the umbilical cord....

There is not enough to say it WONT hurt an unborn child but there is also NOT enough to say it WILL hurt the unborn child. Fear mongering doesnt help. Pros vs Cons of increasing stress by trying to drop it completely.

We can agree there is not enough information.

Medicine: Air Germicide

1942 Study: Health Benefits of Inhaled Propylene Glycol

SO if you want to grasp at straws 100% PG Unflavored LOW dose of Nic 1-3mg/ml BAM

How is that fear mongering?

You yourself said " There is not enough to say it WONT hurt an unborn child but there is also NOT enough to say it WILL hurt the unborn child. " so let's just gamble it and give it a shot? Clearly an educated decision.

PS: There are ZERO case studies of inhaling mass amounts of PG or VG through out the day during an infant's fetus state, your link has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

 

[NU_FTW]

How is that fear mongering?

You yourself said " There is not enough to say it WONT hurt an unborn child but there is also NOT enough to say it WILL hurt the unborn child. " so let's just gamble it and give it a shot? Clearly an educated decision.

PS: There are ZERO case studies of inhaling mass amounts of PG or VG through out the day during an infant's fetus state, your link has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Millions of children are born safely with zero ill effect of SMOKING CIGS!! Its not much of a gamble.

You are needlessly working up a tiffy about nothing. Im done clearly you havent read what i have wrote. Either way at the end of the day it isnt up to you or me, it is up to the MOTHER, and not a damn thing you can do about it.

 

[JMarca]

Millions of children are born safely with zero ill effect of SMOKING CIGS!!

Are you freakin' kidding me?

Studies show pregnant women who smoke put themselves and their babies at risk. And over 1,000 babies in the U.S. die each year because their mothers smoked while pregnant. Saying what you just said is about the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. Did you forget to add that about 1-5% of those who aren't fine can develop sudden infant death syndrome or other respiratory diseases?

 

[Eskie]

Clearly you need to understand more about pregnancy. There are many substances in the mothers blood that will not pass all the way through the umbilical cord....

There is not enough to say it WONT hurt an unborn child but there is also NOT enough to say it WILL hurt the unborn child. Fear mongering doesnt help. Pros vs Cons of increasing stress by trying to drop it completely.

We can agree there is not enough information.

Medicine: Air Germicide

1942 Study: Health Benefits of Inhaled Propylene Glycol

SO if you want to grasp at straws 100% PG Unflavored LOW dose of Nic 1-3mg/ml BAM

Let's try to established facts here. Yes, many substances will not pass from placenta to fetus. Many do. Nicotine is one of them that does pass, both through the placenta and excretion into breast milk.
" Nicotine readily gains access to the fetal compartment via the placenta, with fetal concentrations generally 15% higher than maternal levels. The primary metabolite of nicotine, cotinine, has a half-life of 15 to 20 hours and serum concentrations that are 10-fold higher than nicotine; thus, cotinine provides a better index of nicotine exposure because of its longer half-life. Nicotine concentrates in fetal blood, amniotic fluid, and breastmilk. "
The maternal and fetal physiologic effects of nicotine. - PubMed - NCBI

"Indeed, during the first week of life, urinary cotinine levels in infants of smoking mothers who are exclusively breast-fed are significantly higher than those who are only bottle fed (fully breast-fed median 801 ng cotinine/mg creatinine [range 325–1693] vs. fully bottle fed median 65 ng cotinine/mg creatinine [range 28–101]; Schwartz-Bickenbach et al., 1987)."
https://academic.oup.com/toxsci/art.../Long-Term-Consequences-of-Fetal-and-Neonatal

NRT is generally regarded as preferable to smoking by physicians, and is frequently recommended by obstetricians in place of smoking if abstinence is not possible. Other form of non-cigarette smokeless tobacco use have been studied.
"As nicotine addiction is the factor preventing many women from smoking cessation during pregnancy, nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) has been suggested as a better alternative for the fetus"
Effects of Nicotine During Pregnancy: Human and Experimental Evidence
"Based on these U.S. Food and Drug Administration classifications, it is generally agreed that the risk to the fetus of continued smoking outweighs any potential adverse effects of NRT (Glynn et al., 2009; OMA, 2008). Furthermore, NRT is thought of as a safer alternative to smoking during pregnancy because the mother and fetus are exposed to one chemical instead of the thousands of chemicals found in cigarette smoke (Glynn et al., 2009; OMA, 2008)."
https://academic.oup.com/toxsci/art.../Long-Term-Consequences-of-Fetal-and-Neonatal

Despite the above, the article reviews quite a bit of data on nicotine safety in pregnancy and concludes
" Taken together with the vast literature on the long-term effects of developmental nicotine exposure in other animal models, these results have significant clinical implications and should be considered by health associations when making policy decisions about the safety of NRT use during pregnancy. Overall, the evidence provided in this review overwhelmingly indicates that nicotine should no longer be considered the “safe” component of cigarette smoke. In fact, many of the adverse postnatal health outcomes associated with maternal smoking during pregnancy may be attributable, at least in part, to nicotine alone."

So, working with real data, it is apparent that while nicotine in the form of NRT may seem preferable to smoking, it is not risk free. There is no free ride. Now, as to vaping and pregnancy, there's even less information. And vaping certainly does represent exposure to a greater number of chemicals than NRT, even with flavorless nic in PG/VG. It's the nature of the beast.

I would not presume to offer medical advice to anyone on a forum, let alone involving pregnancy. That person needs to reach an individual decision based on information provided by her obstetrician and whatever is gleaned from other, reliable sources (here ain't it). The risk to benefit of vaping vs. NRT vs. smoking as opposed to abstinence must be considered. If abstinence is not possible, a selection of the safest approach through pregnancy based on the information available today (because that's when the pregnancy is, right now, not 5 years from now when more info becomes available) must be made by the individual. Any other "advice" is ill conceived and a cavalier opinion that might appear benign, but may carry long term hazards that the "advisor" will never have be held responsible for.

 

[NU_FTW]

Are you freakin' kidding me?

Studies show pregnant women who smoke put themselves and their babies at risk. And over 1,000 babies in the U.S. die each year because their mothers smoked while pregnant. Saying what you just said is about the dumbest thing I've ever read on this forum. Did you forget to add that about 1-5% of those who aren't fine can develop sudden infant death syndrome or other respiratory diseases?

 

[Eskie]

 

[NU_FTW]

Let's try to established facts here. Yes, many substances will not pass from placenta to fetus. Many do. Nicotine is one of them that does pass, both through the placenta and excretion into breast milk.
" Nicotine readily gains access to the fetal compartment via the placenta, with fetal concentrations generally 15% higher than maternal levels. The primary metabolite of nicotine, cotinine, has a half-life of 15 to 20 hours and serum concentrations that are 10-fold higher than nicotine; thus, cotinine provides a better index of nicotine exposure because of its longer half-life. Nicotine concentrates in fetal blood, amniotic fluid, and breastmilk. "
The maternal and fetal physiologic effects of nicotine. - PubMed - NCBI

"Indeed, during the first week of life, urinary cotinine levels in infants of smoking mothers who are exclusively breast-fed are significantly higher than those who are only bottle fed (fully breast-fed median 801 ng cotinine/mg creatinine [range 325–1693] vs. fully bottle fed median 65 ng cotinine/mg creatinine [range 28–101]; Schwartz-Bickenbach et al., 1987)."
https://academic.oup.com/toxsci/art.../Long-Term-Consequences-of-Fetal-and-Neonatal

NRT is generally regarded as preferable to smoking by physicians, and is frequently recommended by obstetricians in place of smoking if abstinence is not possible. Other form of non-cigarette smokeless tobacco use have been studied.
"As nicotine addiction is the factor preventing many women from smoking cessation during pregnancy, nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) has been suggested as a better alternative for the fetus"
Effects of Nicotine During Pregnancy: Human and Experimental Evidence
"Based on these U.S. Food and Drug Administration classifications, it is generally agreed that the risk to the fetus of continued smoking outweighs any potential adverse effects of NRT (Glynn et al., 2009; OMA, 2008). Furthermore, NRT is thought of as a safer alternative to smoking during pregnancy because the mother and fetus are exposed to one chemical instead of the thousands of chemicals found in cigarette smoke (Glynn et al., 2009; OMA, 2008)."
https://academic.oup.com/toxsci/art.../Long-Term-Consequences-of-Fetal-and-Neonatal

Despite the above, the article reviews quite a bit of data on nicotine safety in pregnancy and concludes
" Taken together with the vast literature on the long-term effects of developmental nicotine exposure in other animal models, these results have significant clinical implications and should be considered by health associations when making policy decisions about the safety of NRT use during pregnancy. Overall, the evidence provided in this review overwhelmingly indicates that nicotine should no longer be considered the “safe” component of cigarette smoke. In fact, many of the adverse postnatal health outcomes associated with maternal smoking during pregnancy may be attributable, at least in part, to nicotine alone."

So, working with real data, it is apparent that while nicotine in the form of NRT may seem preferable to smoking, it is not risk free. There is no free ride. Now, as to vaping and pregnancy, there's even less information. And vaping certainly does represent exposure to a greater number of chemicals than NRT, even with flavorless nic in PG/VG. It's the nature of the beast.

I would not presume to offer medical advice to anyone on a forum, let alone involving pregnancy. That person needs to reach an individual decision based on information provided by her obstetrician and whatever is gleaned from other, reliable sources (here ain't it). The risk to benefit of vaping vs. NRT vs. smoking as opposed to abstinence must be considered. If abstinence is not possible, a selection of the safest approach through pregnancy based on the information available today (because that's when the pregnancy is, right now, not 5 years from now when more info becomes available) must be made by the individual. Any other "advice" is ill conceived and a cavalier opinion that might appear benign, but may carry long term hazards that the "advisor" will never have be held responsible for.

Already knew that nicotine passed to fetus.... but he was trying to make a different point.

Entire point is that it is unknown and there is no use in fear mongering about the unknown potential on an unborn child. From personal experience there have been zero side effects of vaping while pregnant, aside from the whole not smoking thing i suppose that is one side effect. While you may see what i say as "advice" it is simply my opinion on the matter. I do not claim to be any form of expert in the matter.

 

[classwife]

ok...

Be nice to each other

 

[JMarca]

I do not claim to be any form of expert in the matter.

Clearly!

I'm done arguing over this topic though, have fun.

 

[Katya]

I unexpectedly found out this last week that I'm pregnant. I quit smoking through vaping a few months ago now and I have, over that time period, tapered from 24mg down to 3mg juice. I now only vape 3mg juice; never higher. I have the Sigelei Fuchai 213W but I only run it at 70W at the highest. Is this something I need to consider quitting all together in order to have a healthy pregnancy? Thank you.

I think you know the answer to your question yourself--deep in your heart...

It's all about harm reduction--this time to you and your baby. If you can stop vaping--do so. If you can't, lower your wattage, your nic strength, and the frequency of your vaping.

It's really, really simple. An occasional vape, a cup of coffee or a glass of wine are most likely safe, but it's always a good idea to avoid all and any toxins in your bloodstream.

And, BTW, stress, anxiety, and depression during pregnancy are not good for your baby either.

Congratulations and good luck!

 

[classwife]

and...this is a good time to close this