Vaping Zone SC vs. Flavors Express

[1vapeatatime]

Both claim to be Super Concentrated.
I recently made my first order from the Vapingzone since my pre-mixed days.
Ordered were Dunhill SC, Old Captain SC, and French Pipe SC.
All three flavors were superb BUT!!!!! they tasted exactly like their Express counterparts from ECX at 04dr/05ml, so I compared the flavours themselves....same color, same smell.
I chatted with the ECX reps and they told me that They rebottled their flavors but didn't rename them, and that it was possible that their supplier "Express Flavors" from China was also the supplier of VZ's SC line.
I am a fan of ECX, although like most online retailers they are not perfect. There are some uniformity issues with their packaging, but they have always delivered, and on the two occasions something was not right they immediately made It right.
So given VZ's prices I'll stick with ECX.
That being said Now I know where to go when ECX is "out of stock" on a certain Express flavor which happens from time to time.
The one question that remains unanswered is ECX claims PG base and VZ claims Alcohol base, yet the flavors taste identical to me. The one question is:

Who makes VZ's SC flavors? Is it Express Flavors from China like I suspect? OK that was 2 questions.


I also ordered 3 from their Gourmet Line(which is Bakers from Russia)....tobacco, Tabacum, and Klondike.


Thanks for you time.

 

[BlueSnake]

I've used lots of Vapingzone's SC flavoring. I have never used the ECX flavors. The one thing that I had heard were that the ECX flavors were not as concentrated. I mix the VZ SC flavors at 2.5% and the results are consistent. Being that it took so much less flavoring these always seemed like a bargain to me.

The ones that you got that tasted the same, were you able to use the exact same amount of flavoring?

FYI, the Gourmet flavors I always mix at 1% with great results.

 

[Art Mustel]

I haven't bought any of the vapingzone yet but many Flavors Express from ECX, and they are very concentrated (2.5% works great for me, and I have to use hangsen ones at 7% and Inawera around 3-4%. ). BTW, I am talking about their line "tobacco Express", I haven't purchased any of their other flavors like fruit, etc.

And thanks a lot for posting this, very interesting!

 

[sparkky1]

Both claim to be Super Concentrated.
I recently made my first order from the Vapingzone since my pre-mixed days.
Ordered were Dunhill SC, Old Captain SC, and French Pipe SC.
All three flavors were superb BUT!!!!! they tasted exactly like their Express counterparts from ECX at 04dr/05ml, so I compared the flavours themselves....same color, same smell.
I chatted with the ECX reps and they told me that They rebottled their flavors but didn't rename them, and that it was possible that their supplier "Express Flavors" from China was also the supplier of VZ's SC line.
I am a fan of ECX, although like most online retailers they are not perfect. There are some uniformity issues with their packaging, but they have always delivered, and on the two occasions something was not right they immediately made It right.
So given VZ's prices I'll stick with ECX.
That being said Now I know where to go when ECX is "out of stock" on a certain Express flavor which happens from time to time.
The one question that remains unanswered is ECX claims PG base and VZ claims Alcohol base, yet the flavors taste identical to me. The one question is:

Who makes VZ's SC flavors? Is it Express Flavors from China like I suspect? OK that was 2 questions.


I also ordered 3 from their Gourmet Line(which is Bakers from Russia)....Tobacco, Tabacum, and Klondike.


Thanks for you time.

They both use Russian Bakers Flavors ....

 

[1vapeatatime]

Flavors Express are called "Ultra Concentrated" and Vapingzone's are called "Super Concentrated" but both taste the same to me at 04dr/05ml.
Please don't misunderstand me. I am not knocking either of them down. As a matter of fact I'm hoping that they are both the same. I need alternate sources of the same flavor in case one sells out. Of course I'll go with ECX first because it's much cheaper.
As for Bakers Flavors, well I'll stick with Vapingzone's if I like them.
I've always like the VZ. I remember vaping their signature tobaccos constantly, Wolfsong, Smoky Mt., Dark Shadows, yummm.

I've used lots of Vapingzone's SC flavoring. I have never used the ECX flavors. The one thing that I had heard were that the ECX flavors were not as concentrated. I mix the VZ SC flavors at 2.5% and the results are consistent. Being that it took so much less flavoring these always seemed like a bargain to me.

The ones that you got that tasted the same, were you able to use the exact same amount of flavoring?

FYI, the Gourmet flavors I always mix at 1% with great results.

 

[1vapeatatime]

ehh, nope. According to ECX their express line comes from China, and are manufactured by a company called Express Flavours. We know that VZ's Gourmet line comes from Bakers Flavors, but what I'd like to know is if VZ's SC line is indeed Express Flavors, or someone else. But the flavors I have tried are identical to Express.

They both use Russian Bakers Flavors ....

 

[Art Mustel]

As i said above, it is great to know they are the same or very alike. Great find, 1vapeatatime. However the part about the name of the company that manufactures them look fictitious to me; I strongly believe these concentrates are made by Dekang. Of course I also may need a tinfoil hat

 

[1vapeatatime]

You may be right. I mentioned as much in my chat with the rep and he denied it. The names of the flavors are suspiciously similar, but I do not know.

As i said above, it is great to know they are the same or very alike. Great find, 1vapeatatime. However the part about the name of the company that manufactures them look fictitious to me; I strongly believe these concentrates are made by Dekang. Of course I also may need a tinfoil hat

 

[sparkky1]

You may be right. I mentioned as much in my chat with the rep and he denied it. The names of the flavors are suspiciously similar, but I do not know.

They go buy many names but with one domain : Russian Bakers Flavors

 

[sparkky1]

The only difference is one is diluted in alcohol and one in PG both are flavor carriers one has to breath while steeping

....http://www.tasteofhome.com/cooking-tips/ask-our-dietician/alcohol-in-extracts

 

[BlueSnake]

They go buy many names but with one domain : Russian Bakers Flavors

Sorry but you are wrong about that. VZ's Gourmet flavors are the Bakers Flavors. The ECX Express and VZ SC flavors are NOT Russian Bakers Flavors. Wherever you're getting your information is wrong.

 

[sparkky1]

Sorry but you are wrong about that. VZ's Gourmet flavors are the Bakers Flavors. The ECX Express and VZ SC flavors are NOT Russian Bakers Flavors. Wherever you're getting your information is wrong.

Who do you think makes it ?

 

[BlueSnake]

I live 15 minutes from Vapingzone. I can tell you for a FACT that VZ SC flavors are not Russian Bakers Flavors. I have used VZ SC flavors ever since I've been vaping. I am not going to get into who makes them, but I know who doesn't make them.

Everyone knows the VZ Gourmet Flavors are the Russian Bakers Flavors. They are two entirely different flavor lines made by different companies.

 

[1vapeatatime]

Agreed!!! at least for my part. For all we know The Flavors Xpress, and the VZ SC are made by KMart. My point was that they may be one and the same. I am no expert. I just want to be able to know where my spares are. If I run out of an Inawera flavor, I can get it from various stores. If I run out of an Xpress flavor, then maybe VZ SC can bail me out, or vice versa.
Now ECX flat out told me who makes their Express line: Express Flavors, from China. Couldn't find them online though, so they may be a subdivision of another company....maybe Dekang.
VZ themselves announced a coupla years back their Gourmet Line from Russian Bakers.
This much we know.
What we don't know is where the VZ SC line comes from. That's OK though as long as their flavors are compatible with Xpress flavors.
As for Blue Snake's proximity to the Vaping Zone. I'm really jealous. The VZ was my pre-made go to store back in the day. I live 2 blocks away from DIY Flavorshack and absolutely hate them.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Agreed!!! at least for my part. For all we know The Flavors Xpress, and the VZ SC are made by KMart. My point was that they may be one and the same. I am no expert. I just want to be able to know where my spares are. If I run out of an Inawera flavor, I can get it from various stores. If I run out of an Xpress flavor, then maybe VZ SC can bail me out, or vice versa.
Now ECX flat out told me who makes their Express line: Express Flavors, from China. Couldn't find them online though, so they may be a subdivision of another company....maybe Dekang.
VZ themselves announced a coupla years back their Gourmet Line from Russian Bakers.
This much we know.
What we don't know is where the VZ SC line comes from. That's OK though as long as their flavors are compatible with Xpress flavors.
As for Blue Snake's proximity to the Vaping Zone. I'm really jealous. The VZ was my pre-made go to store back in the day. I live 2 blocks away from DIY Flavorshack and absolutely hate them.

I've read this too from reliable sources, so I think if I get the urge to try out the VZ SC line I'll go the FE route simply do to pricing -- plus, since I've already had some FE flavors, I've already mae it up in my mind that I like them. But the Gourmet line at VZ is a difficult one to grapple with since ordering from Russia takes so long, but their prices are dirt cheap compared to the mark-up at VZ.

 

[Art Mustel]

This thread made me look at russian baker's flavors, I went to their webpage but it is not very user friendly...so I had to email them with the list of lavors I am interested in and they are supposed to send me a quote and payment method. This is going to be slow...

 

[Mr.Mann]

This thread made me look at russian baker's flavors, I went to their webpage but it is not very user friendly...so I had to email them with the list of lavors I am interested in and they are supposed to send me a quote and payment method. This is going to be slow...

Yep, about two-months-slow. But, know that those flavors are STRONG! One order will likely be the only order you ever have to make.

 

[Art Mustel]

Yep, about two-months-slow. But, know that those flavors are STRONG! One order will likely be the only order you ever have to make.

Have you ever tried any of their tobacco flavors Mr.Mann? i am interested in all their 6 ones, specially "Tobakum".

 

[1vapeatatime]

I just ordered Tabacum, Tobacco, and Klondike. Already shipped and should be in Vegas by Monday. I'm eager to try them, and I'll post my opinion for sure

Have you ever tried any of their tobacco flavors Mr.Mann? i am interested in all their 6 ones, specially "Tobakum".

 

[1vapeatatime]

What? that they were made by KMart?

I've read this too from reliable sources, so I think if I get the urge to try out the VZ SC line I'll go the FE route simply do to pricing -- plus, since I've already had some FE flavors, I've already mae it up in my mind that I like them. But the Gourmet line at VZ is a difficult one to grapple with since ordering from Russia takes so long, but their prices are dirt cheap compared to the mark-up at VZ.