**Vapor Production VS. Coil Ohms, Gauge, and Type**

[ImaStarreVap3r]

That ribbon wire sounds interesting, isn't that like braided wire? I think sooner or later these vaping companies are going to realize that 80-100 watts to run a coil at is a bit ridiculous considering how short of a time a 18650 high-drain battery will last at the wattage. That is why I started this thread, because it seems there has to be a more efficient way to get these huge clouds of vapor.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Na-ion batteries get closer to replacing Li-ion batteries

 

[Mellowbuzz]

I think sooner or later these vaping companies are going to realize that 80-100 watts to run a coil at is a bit ridiculous considering how short of a time a 18650 high-drain battery will last at the wattage.

lol I've been vaping heavily on (2) 18650's at 125 watts for 12 hours now.....still going strong at 70% battery charge.

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

lol I've been vaping heavily on (2) 18650's at 125 watts for 12 hours now.....still going strong at 70% battery charge.

Ummm I don't see how that's possible. I don't have experience using 2 18650 batteries because I hate box mods but all I know is I vape through an entire 18650 battery in less than an hour vaping at 37 watts. Vaping "heavily" at 125 watts is going to go through both batteries long before you get to 12 hours so I don't believe that for a second bro.

 

[Mellowbuzz]

Ummm I don't see how that's possible. If you are saying that 18650 batteries last a long time at 125 watts you are defiantly wrong. I don't have experience using 2 18650 batteries because I hate box mods but all I know is I vape through an entire 18650 battery in less than an hour vaping at 37 watts. Vaping "heavily" at 125 watts is going to go through both batteries long before you get to 12 hours so I don't believe that for a second bro.

lol okay "bro". You're obviously running low ohm builds on your 37 watts. It's completely possible, if you know what you're doing that is. You admit to having absolutely no experience using two 18650's and then proceed to tell me that I'm wrong? lol

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

Na-ion batteries get closer to replacing Li-ion batteries

Nice post, I can't WAIT for battery technology to advance. Not only in vaping but with everything especially things like my smartphone.

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

lol okay "bro". You're obviously running low ohm builds on your 37 watts. It's completely possible, if you know what you're doing that is.

What, you've never heard someone call you bro before? Haha its an EXTREMELY common thing to call someone, maybe not you because you are far from a bro. Since you live in Texas I'll call you partner, is that better? I don't argue with people like you though, I've learned from experience that it's pointless.

 

[Mellowbuzz]

What, you've never heard someone call you bro before? Haha its an EXTREMELY common thing to call someone, maybe not you because you are far from a bro. Since you live in Texas I'll call you partner, is that better? I don't argue with people like you though, I've learned from experience that it's pointless.

Common among d-bags you mean. Perhaps you should change your attitude towards people that try to teach you things you're obviously not experienced in. The whole reason I bought this box mod is because I can vape for 12+ hours @ 100+ watts on the same batteries. You made a statement, I told you that you're wrong. That's what the forums are for. Learning. If you can't learn something from it, perhaps ECF isn't for you. Just chill out.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Not sure what you're vaping on a single 18650 2200 mAh running .6 ohm duals it lasts me at least 4 hours plus vaping pretty heavily on it.

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

Common among d-bags you mean. Perhaps you should change your attitude towards people that try to teach you things you're obviously not experienced in. The whole reason I bought this box mod is because I can vape for 12+ hours @ 100+ watts on the same batteries. You made a statement, I told you that you're wrong. That's what the forums are for. Learning. If you can't learn something from it, perhaps ECF isn't for you. Just chill out.

Ha no, just about ever dude in Cali say bro, its not even a matter of discussion. You aren't "teaching" me anything, you are just insulting me since your first comment. If you wunna help someone than help them and try not to laugh at them or say some outrageous thing and not even have anything to back it up. If this game changing box mod is real and you can actually run 125 watts for 12 hours straight and STILL have 70% after that then please explain that then because as far s I'm concerned that is impossible.

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

Not sure what you're vaping on a single 18650 2200 mAh running .6 ohm duals it lasts me at least 4 hours plus vaping pretty heavily on it.

I have a BEC Pro running the Atlantis .5 coil.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Still, even my .4 build lasts more than a hour on a 2100 VTC4. And trust me me I vape it like I stole it.

 

[Mellowbuzz]

Ha no, just about ever dude in Cali say bro, its not even a matter of discussion. You aren't "teaching" me anything, you are just insulting me since your first comment. If you wunna help someone than help them and try not to laugh at them or say some outrageous thing and not even have anything to back it up. If this game changing box mod is real and you can actually run 125 watts for 12 hours straight and STILL have 70% after that then please explain that then because as far s I'm concerned that is impossible.

One would think a Shipping Manager at a B&M vape shop would have access to all of the documentation needed for validation. And I wasn't laughing at you. I was telling you that your statement was inaccurate. You already lost my respect "bro", so figure it out for yourself. Perhaps one of your coworkers can fill you in on all the latest game-changing equipment.

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

Still, even my .4 build lasts more than a hour on a 2100 VTC4. And trust me me I vape it like I stole it.

Hmmm maybe it could be the mod I'm using? Btw is that true what MellowBuzz said? Vaping 125 watts heavily for 12 hours and having 70% battery left after all that?

 

[BigEgo]

So that other day I had someone tell me that if you were to take a .5 ohm, 1ohm, and 2ohm coil made with the same type of wire and at the same gauge they would all vape the same at 20 Watts. Now that got me thinking about why all these tanks coming out are using sub-ohm coils that require a ton of wattage to produce a good amount of vapor when they could be using a higher ohm coil that produces the same amount of vapor only at a much lower wattage level. If this is true, then why don't they use higher ohm coils and save vapers tons of power? This would also make everything alot safer as well considering you won't have to use high drain batteries. So what I'm asking is why not use a coil head that is just as big as the ones coming out for these tanks only it is at 2ohms and using 30 gauge kanthal wire? This thread is for vapor production only so I'm not asking about flavor, juice requirement, etc.

Try running a 2 ohm coil at 20 watts and let me know how that tastes.

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

One would think a Shipping Manager at a B&M vape shop would have access to all of the documentation needed for validation. And I wasn't laughing at you. I was telling you that your statement was inaccurate. You already lost my respect "bro", so figure it out for yourself. Perhaps one of your coworkers can fill you in on all the latest game-changing equipment.

Its funny how you continue to use bro like its some ridiculous thing to call someone. You still have not backed up a single thing you have said so I continue to not to believe you. I watch alot of reviews on the latest products and I stay up to date on all of the latest products and I've never heard of a box mod like you have mentioned. That would be a revolutionary device and a massive advance for the vaping industry so I think I would have heard about it somewhere but no I have not.

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

Try running a 2 ohm coil at 20 watts and let me know how that tastes.

Ummm yeah not quite the response I'm looking for. My point is there has to be a more efficient way of achieving the same amount of vapor production.

 

[BigEgo]

Ummm yeah not quite the response I'm looking for. My point is there has to be a more efficient way of achieving the same amount of vapor production.

Why not? Try running a high ohm coil at a high wattage and let me know how that works out for you. It sucks. The voltage increases dramatically at a higher ohm and results in a burnt taste (for me at least). It is intolerable.

A 2 ohm coil @ 20 watts = 6.3 volts. Since no battery can do 6.3 volts, the "regulator" in the mod will throw more current at it to compensate, so you're really no better off.

I have a kayfun in front of me with a 1.3 ohm build. I usually sit at 12 watts or so. I just cranked it up to 20 watts, and even with a 1.3 ohm build, it's too hot. If I build sub-ohm I can hit 20 watts all day with no burning.

A lot of it has to do with the coil itself, the surface area, heat flux, etc. This is why a higher ohm build at (say) 30 watts just doesn't taste the same as a lower ohm build at the same wattage. Instead of going into more detail, I recommend you read the thread I am linking below. Read all of Rusirius' posts as he explains it very well. (especially posts #4 and #10).

Link: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...gh-wattage-vaping-resistance-differences.html

 

[ImaStarreVap3r]

Why not? Try running a high ohm coil at a high wattage and let me know how that works out for you. It sucks. The voltage increases dramatically at a higher ohm and results in a burnt taste (for me at least). It is intolerable.

A 2 ohm coil @ 20 watts = 6.3 volts. Since no battery can do 6.3 volts, the "regulator" in the mod will throw more current at it to compensate, so you're really no better off.

I have a kayfun in front of me with a 1.3 ohm build. I usually sit at 12 watts or so. I just cranked it up to 20 watts, and even with a 1.3 ohm build, it's too hot. If I build sub-ohm I can hit 20 watts all day with no burning.

A lot of it has to do with the coil itself, the surface area, heat flux, etc. This is why a higher ohm build at (say) 30 watts just doesn't taste the same as a lower ohm build at the same wattage. Instead of going into more detail, I recommend you read the thread I am linking below. Read all of Rusirius' posts as he explains it very well. (especially posts #4 and #10).

Link: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...gh-wattage-vaping-resistance-differences.html

Alright, I'll look into that.

 

[BigEgo]

Alright, I'll look into that.

Essentially it is not as simple as people make it out to be. Most people say "30 watts at .5 ohms is the same as 30w at 2 ohms." Well, not really. They are leaving some important variables out such as surface area of the coil, the coil gauge, and heat flux.