Variable Voltage Ego Battery

[MISTERDIEABETIC]

So when I got 2 starter kits for my girlfriend and I, I decided to buy the vv ego batteries at the local vape shop. Once we both realized that we'd both need a second battery I just got us both regular ego batteries. Now the vv is supposed to have three settings, 3.2v , 3.7v and 4.2v. We both noticed that on the highest voltage setting there wasn't much difference from our non vv batteries. So while at work today I decided to pull out the multi meter and measure the voltage at the batteries. I was surprised to say the least.

With the vv battery fully charged I measured 2.7v, 3.4v, and 3.9v while the regular battery measured 3.77 fully charged. When the battery level of the vv got down to 2 out of 5 bars I decided to measure it again and this time it was 2.6, 3.2 and 3.7. Has anyone else used this type of battery? And if you have what are you thoughts on this and do you think yours isn't putting out the voltage that it should.

 

[The Ocelot]

Hi and welcome!

Generic eGos, variable voltage or not, aren't famous for accuracy. The numbers you posted seem within a reasonable +/- range to me for those devices.

For further entertainment, you may want to watch PBusardo's videos on youtube. He measures levels on all the hardware he reviews (going into extreme detail at times), which might give you an idea of how off these devices can be.

 

[Volcanoboy]

Check out the Provari. Stays accurate til the last second before the battery is dead

 

[The Ocelot]

Check out the Provari. Stays accurate til the last second before the battery is dead

You love your ProVari. I love my ProVari. But every time a ProVari lover posts a Just Get a ProVari type of comment that is irrelevant to the OP it is inappropriate and annoying.

 

[MISTERDIEABETIC]

I've seen the provari's. But right now a little too expensive for me. I've Already spent $250 between batteries, tanks and e juice. Luckily i'll recover most of that from not buying 2 packs of cigarettes a day! My birthday is in just over a week and I'd like to try to get a vamo V3 or and evic. I work as a mechanic and I'm always afraid the thin ego batteries are going to break while in my pocket. Other than fighting with the draw and leaking on the protanks I just bought I'm pretty happy right now.

 

[Volcanoboy]

You love your ProVari. I love my ProVari. But every time a ProVari lover posts a Just Get a ProVari type of comment that is irrelevant to the OP it is inappropriate and annoying.

The topic is voltage dropping. The Provari is known for not having it. As I pointed out. Aside from the fact that its a great device woth recommending I hardly see it as irrelevant. Annoying comment.

 

[The Ocelot]

I've seen the provari's. But right now a little too expensive for me. I've Already spent $250 between batteries, tanks and e juice. Luckily i'll recover most of that from not buying 2 packs of cigarettes a day! My birthday is in just over a week and I'd like to try to get a vamo V3 or and evic. I work as a mechanic and I'm always afraid the thin ego batteries are going to break while in my pocket. Other than fighting with the draw and leaking on the protanks I just bought I'm pretty happy right now.

That's close to the point of my last post. A ProVari may not be the best choice in every situation - the same as any other device. I vaped eGos for over 6 months before moving on to mods. If a device works for you, it works. Something to keep in mind when you research APVs is you have to factor in the cost of batteries and a charger. That is one reason I don't recommend APVs to new vapers, since they would still need to buy a back-up device too; luckily, you have that covered with the eGos.

I can't stress enough to do research on various devices. Watch PBusardo and GrimmGreen videos, and definitely look at the different sub-forums to see the kinds of problems current owners are experiencing. Just my $1.

 

[Volcanoboy]

Wasn't my purpose to recruit another Provari fan. It is one of the more pricy mods and ofc there are other good alternatives. But I don't think it's good advice to go trough cheaper models before finding the right one for you. The starter kits aren't exactly free either. If I started with the higher end mods I use now I wouldn't have spent quite a lot of money on different starter kits that are now collecting dust in my drawer.

Get your last mod first is the general advice I give. I'm sure there are plenty of people who tried a cheaper ecigs and decided it wasn't for them simply because it was a lower quality one.

And when it's about your health, and possibly life, is a $250 investment really that outrageous? I think we can all agree a higher end mod like the Provari is likely to give you a better vaping experience than a cheap 510 starter kit or the alike.

You don't always need to back up a statement or recommendations with tables, videos reviews and numbers.

Anyways, good luck with your vaping adventure

 

[tearose50]

Hi Derek.

I don't know very much about that model of Ego. My guess is that it has been pretty much replaced by the Ego Twist, which has been a very popular model and I believe is more accurate. Many of the gals love them and there is a thread you might want to send your girlfriend to check out: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...show-us-your-girly-pretty-decorated-pink.html.

I also suggest you get your post count up to 20 or more, get verified and then you will be able to see the classified section. It can be a great place for some good deals.

Happy vaping.

 

[Alukit Vassago]

Check out the Provari. Stays accurate til the last second before the battery is dead

well glad to see some info about it even thou its not what i expected to find here hehe but i believe the different between the battery is the fact of the different loads place on them, like a how a normal bulb & a 3 way bulb act on a three way socket, the normal only can emit one wattage where as the three way does 3 different wattage upon changing the setting but this is all just base on my own thoughts about it. i would say look for info about VV devices & what it does ^-^

 

[chellemmm]

I think it is TERRIBLE advice to advocate a Provari to a person new to the art of vaping. For one thing, they are HEAVY and fairly cumbersome. Too heavy for most who are struggling with the transition from cigarettes. Provaris can look pretty strange to a person unused to vaping. When one first starts vaping, the learning curve is vast. I didn't even want an eGo type battery at first, I thought it was too big and ungainly.

I have found that the posters who have progressed from eGos to Provaris and experimented with rigs in between are USUALLY much more knowledgeable about general vaping information than those that went straight to a Provari. The fiddling and fixing and "make it work" attitude that happens with the progression brings with it a wealth of information.

There are MANY vapers who prefer eGos and remain with an eGo type setup, as well as many who own "advanced" devices who also still employ an eGo type for everyday use. I have also "known" people who love the Provari, but prefer the lightness and ease of an eGo. One size does not fit all.

I personally appreciate Ocelot's "recommendations with tables, videos reviews and numbers," rather than the terse, "Just get a Provari" type of advice. Shaming people or making them feel like they are "less" of a vaper because they don't use a Provari or other "advanced" mod is what I find the most annoying.

Lastly, some people CANNOT AFFORD the $250.00 "initial" investment! Even though vaping is "cheaper" than smoking (LOL) you don't spend $250.00 at one time to smoke. You can't just buy a Provari. You also need a charger, batteries, juice delivery systems and juice. If a person is happy vaping on an eGo, why NOT?

 

[Volcanoboy]

I think it is TERRIBLE advice to advocate a Provari to a person new to the art of vaping. For one thing, they are HEAVY and fairly cumbersome. Too heavy for most who are struggling with the transition from cigarettes. Provaris can look pretty strange to a person unused to vaping. When one first starts vaping, the learning curve is vast. I didn't even want an eGo type battery at first, I thought it was too big and ungainly.

I have found that the posters who have progressed from eGos to Provaris and experimented with rigs in between are USUALLY much more knowledgeable about general vaping information than those that went straight to a Provari. The fiddling and fixing and "make it work" attitude that happens with the progression brings with it a wealth of information.

There are MANY vapers who prefer eGos and remain with an eGo type setup, as well as many who own "advanced" devices who also still employ an eGo type for everyday use. I have also "known" people who love the Provari, but prefer the lightness and ease of an eGo. One size does not fit all.

I personally appreciate Ocelot's "recommendations with tables, videos reviews and numbers," rather than the terse, "Just get a Provari" type of advice. Shaming people or making them feel like they are "less" of a vaper because they don't use a Provari or other "advanced" mod is what I find the most annoying.

Lastly, some people CANNOT AFFORD the $250.00 "initial" investment! Even though vaping is "cheaper" than smoking (LOL) you don't spend $250.00 at one time to smoke. You can't just buy a Provari. You also need a charger, batteries, juice delivery systems and juice. If a person is happy vaping on an eGo, why NOT?

Again. The poster was making complaints about his current set up due to voltage output. Even using voltmeters to measure it. So even if new to vaping, hardly a newb. I advised to check out the Provari since it doesn't have those issues. I'm not recommending a Provari to someone looking for a cheap starter quit. But if a friend wanted my recomandation for a device I would gladly recomed it.

Even I still use my eRoll when out and about. I'm not comfortable using a device that size everywhere either. Still, getting a higher end device early will in my opinion make the transition from normal cigs to vaping much smoother.

And honestly if you can afford to smoke you can afford the slightly higher investment.

There is no right universal solution for everyone that wants to quit smoking. On a public forum you'll get different advice and opinions. I think and hope most people will be able to make their own choices and descissons based on the advice they get here. I advice eRoll as well as provaris. It's up to each individual to choose what they do with it.

I completely disagree that it is terrible advice to recommend a "big and expensive" mod someone relatively new to vaping tho. I wish someone did that for me before trying out loads of crappy starter kits.

 

[Volcanoboy]

And trying "to shame" someone? Seriously?

 

[Thrasher]

like everyone says the regular ego isnt known for accuracy.. my suggestion would be a couple of the real ego VV the TWIST. or a vision spinner, while still ego class they have infinite adjustability as you dial in exactly what you need. and the small voltage drop isnt a problem when you can just turn it up a touch.

 

[Volcanoboy]

I'm quite happy with my twist. Haven't measured its accuracy but its a nice device to.

 

[billo]

The model eGo you bought is ripoff. It is NOT voltage regulated AT ALL ! It slays me to have everybody then claim that all eGo's are not regulated so you have to get a gigantic $200 Provari, or something. What nonsense !

Just get a Twist or a Twist clone.

 

[MISTERDIEABETIC]

I wont bash someone for making a suggestion.I do prefer that they at least give some reasoning behind it, which he did. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a knock off since retail shops are always trying to make the most money off the cheapest products. Ill prob just buy batteries and replacement parts online from a reputable seller from now on. At least the local places juices is awesome and I don't have to wait for shipping and I can try it out different flavors in the store.

 

[Alukit Vassago]

Again. The poster was making complaints about his current set up due to voltage output. Even using voltmeters to measure it. So even if new to vaping, hardly a newb. I advised to check out the Provari since it doesn't have those issues. I'm not recommending a Provari to someone looking for a cheap starter quit. But if a friend wanted my recomandation for a device I would gladly recomed it.

Even I still use my eRoll when out and about. I'm not comfortable using a device that size everywhere either. Still, getting a higher end device early will in my opinion make the transition from normal cigs to vaping much smoother.

And honestly if you can afford to smoke you can afford the slightly higher investment.

There is no right universal solution for everyone that wants to quit smoking. On a public forum you'll get different advice and opinions. I think and hope most people will be able to make their own choices and descissons based on the advice they get here. I advice eRoll as well as provaris. It's up to each individual to choose what they do with it.

I completely disagree that it is terrible advice to recommend a "big and expensive" mod someone relatively new to vaping tho. I wish someone did that for me before trying out loads of crappy starter kits.

if it means anything to you volcanoboy i do like the fact of advice you gave here & in my own thoughts about giving advice about what is right why would anyone want someone to buy many different start kits that don't do the job & waste more in money, time & hopes in products then make a good choice base on other people's advice & just spent the higher cost of a pro vari, vamo or what have you? in the end its going to be less & atleast i still as a person can say nah i don't think from my research that this device is for me. if i didn't get any info from my room mate about what to start with i may have wasted money & thought vaping was a joke / useless compare to real cig which isn't good to put in the minds of people. sorry if this offends people but i am a newbie that likes people giving advice then saying try things >.>

 

[AttyPops]

OK gang. Make/model fights aside, you have to measure voltage properly or you won't know what you're seeing anyway.

Couple of notes:
1) You have to measure it under load.
2) Cheap voltage meters won't compute the voltage measurement properly for devices regulated with certain PWM frequencies. There's actually a lot of variables here, including the type of measurement (True RMS vs V_avg)

And, not surprisingly, those $10.00 in-line voltage things may or may not work depending on the model of meter and the model of e-cig.

VV circuits...and most all e-cigs other than all-mech....use some form of Pulse Width Modulation inside. Provari too. However, they can be buffered with a capacitor to "smooth" it out. Etc.

I'm not an EE, so take this with a grain of salt, but you may not be having the problem you think you're having in the 1st place. The coil doesn't care as much about the pulses as the meter.

So if you used a multi-meter, you need a special adapter to measure voltage under load. If you used a special in-line meter...check the specs and find out how it does for various PWM circuits. Reviews may help too.

Also, the "3.7" voltage setting is probably more like "follows battery voltage" (100% duty cycle) setting. Hence the 3.9v (4.2 with some voltage drop due to inline circuits probably = 3.9. Or maybe 3.9 is max allowed by software..IDK..but it follows battery voltage and allows over 3.7 obviously).

 

[fabricator4]

What Attypops said ^^^^^

A multimeter of the kind most of us are likely to have access to is fine for checking the battery with no load, resistance of coils etc. In fact it's indispensable if you have a mechanical mod or are making your own coils etc. What it's *not* useful for is checking the output of a regulated power supply of the types we use, because they are hardly ever a flat regulated output. To put it simply, you are almost always going to get a reading that is far short of what the actual RMS output of the device is.

(Strangely enough, the twists actually *DO* seem to have a flat regulated output, or at least the ones I have are astoundingly accurate for $20 device.)