went and checked out one of those quit smoking sites................

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Good Lawd!! I'm so sorry I left the safety of ECF and peaked at what's outside the gates. What's outside the gates is insanity and fear! Lot's of fear and scary statistics. dead people and stuff! worse thing???? No one is using and ecig. Oh the humanity!!

Don't go there, just ddddddon't.

Ye be warned!

Vapira, huddling back in where it's not so scary!
 

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Where did you go?

Seems pretty graphic, did you click on a gore thread or something? :lol:

Naw dude, you dont get it. You are a smoker to those people. Vaping is smoking and we are a bunch of sad pathetic losers who are slaves to our horrible, ugly, evil addiction. Vapers are mocked. jeered, and HATED.

For your reading pleasure:
 
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Naw dude, you dont get it. You are a smoker to those people. Vaping is smoking and we are a bunch of sad pathetic losers who are slaves to our horrible, ugly, evil addiction. Vapers are mocked. jeered, and HATED.

For your reading pleasure:

Thanks for the link! I just read a few pages (kinda tl;dr but i'm slowly getting through it) and intend to read the rest. But for now, it only seems as though a few people over there are vehemently against e-cigs while a surprisingly large portion are for them. Kind of like our saying over here: "whatever gets you off the stinkies"

I was expecting some hardcore bashing but (thankfully) I'm not seeing it in the degree that I had expected. That's a good thing, right?
 
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Fine hypocrisy then, I quit smoking by using Chantix , NRT etc. and that is "OK because a Dr. gave me a note - SAD - SAD - SAD

Anyone who "thinks" vaping is smoking hasn't been around vaping enough to have a decent (much less valid) opinion IMHO



Naw dude, you dont get it. You are a smoker to those people. Vaping is smoking and we are a bunch of sad pathetic losers who are slaves to our horrible, ugly, evil addiction. Vapers are mocked. jeered, and HATED.

For your reading pleasure:
 
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After reading the ENTIRE discussion objectively, and familiarizing myself with the goals of QSMB, I have come to the conclusion that it takes all types of people to run the world. Both sides will think they are right. Likewise, in a way, both sides ARE right in their opinions on which method of quitting tobacco or nicotine is best. Also, both sides are wrong, in the way that the collaboration was executed.

In some aspects, I agree with views from both parties. I am, however, saddened at the way both parties became so easily inflamed. I will admit honestly and openly with you guys, that I am going to register with the above mentioned forum. Why? Well, friends, ECF is a wonderful forum. You all helped me make a smooth transition from smoking to vaping. I thank you sincerely for that, and I will continue to visit and post on these forums. The "other" board, on the other hand, provides support for quitting nicotine all together, and in my honest opinion, are more qualified to provide moral support in that aspect. Their whole board is dedicated to quitting nicotine, while ECF specializes in electronic cigarette use. I am aware that ECF has a section devoted to "other methods" and "reducing nicotine to zero and quitting e-cigs" and I encourage it. I am known to lurk those sections from time to time.

The moral of the story?

-Don't poke the bear.-
 
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I agree with dgm, and to some extent, the members of the QSMB. For me personally, e-cigs are a stop gap measure for me on my way to complete nicotine freedom. That has been the plan from the very start. Vaping just allows me to do it on my terms and at my pace. Sure, vaping eliminates thousands of toxic chemicals from being consumed, but it still leaves one, and that is one too many.

The members of QSMB obviously have zero tolerance for nicotine. They could be a little nicer about conveying that message at times, but I admire their determination. They have a steadfast message, and they refuse to deviate from it. Kudos to them. It takes a gung-ho attitude to get things done sometimes, and they have it. Again, they could be a little nicer about it.

What about the fact that vaping does become a hobby for most of us? Gotta have backups for our backups is just an excuse to buy more stuff, and the vendors are more than happy to peddle their latest wares and gadgets, and we are more than happy to buy it all up. As long as it is in the name of quitting the stinkies, it is always a justified expense.

What I think the good folks at QSMB are missing is all the good that vaping does for an individual, even if they do continue to vape over the long term. Not hacking up chunks of brown lung each morning would be at the top of my list, for sure. There is also the renewed senses of taste and smell, not to mention not smelling like an ashtray.

Vaping is serving its purpose very well for me. It has launched me into the first stages of quitting smoking, but in this race, it's not the finish line. Far from it. It's just a really good start.
 
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For me personally, e-cigs are a stop gap measure for me on my way to complete nicotine freedom. That has been the plan from the very start. Vaping just allows me to do it on my terms and at my pace. Sure, vaping eliminates thousands of toxic chemicals from being consumed, but it still leaves one, and that is one too many.

Hey man, I respect that. Heck thats my goal as well. Already dropped from 24 to 18 in my first month! But this:

QSMB jerkwad said:
lots of luck getting any kind of acceptance here

As the first post to a new member who was all excited about quitting the stinkies? Nope. That's pure jerkwadery with a little snobbishness and arrogance thrown in for good measure.
 

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As one of the "founding members" of the Electronic Cigarette subforum over there, I have to say you are all correct.
They do what they do, and we do what we do, and there is value in both perspectives.

And that's pretty much the nicest thing I can say about them.
After that I start talking about brainwashing and ignorance when I speak about them.

But at least everyone here is free to disagree with my perspective.
There is no freedom there.
 
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Hey man, I respect that. Heck thats my goal as well. Already dropped from 24 to 18 in my first month! But this:



As the first post to a new member who was all excited about quitting the stinkies? Nope. That's pure jerkwadery with a little snobbishness and arrogance thrown in for good measure.

Congrats on the nic downgrade! I am about to make my way down to 12mg myself. That is, of course, once I burn through the 300ml of 18mg juice I have. :facepalm:

Concerning the comment(s) by jerkwad, that specific member is an A1 d-bag. Just unnecessary comments that are meant to instigate a fight. No manners, no sense, no decency. Just malicious pot shots that stress the "my way is better than your way" attitude. That is as closed off as a mind gets.

As one of the "founding members" of the Electronic Cigarette subforum over there, I have to say you are all correct.
They do what they do, and we do what we do, and there is value in both perspectives.

And that's pretty much the nicest thing I can say about them.

After that I start talking about brainwashing and ignorance when I speak about them.
But at least everyone here is free to disagree with my perspective.

There is no freedom there.

Are they all that bad? I find it hard to believe that the entire forum is that adamantly against e-cigs. Surely, there has to be a few members that recognize that e-cigs are definitely a better option than smoking cigarettes, whether it be long term, or just in the interim. 3,999 out of 4,000 chemicals agree!

One difference I can plainly see is that here on ECF, every single victory, no matter how large or small, is recognized as a step in the right direction, and is to be celebrated. For some reason, people are drawn to that and seem to want to participate in that celebration. How strange? :p Also, ECFers have a certain tolerance for falling off the vaping wagon from time to time, and when it does happen, there is always a multitude of people there to pick them back up and help them onto the wagon again with the resounding message of "Don't beat yourself up about it. It happens." I like that.

I think I will explore that forum for a while. I will be wearing a tin foil hat to avoid any unwanted brain waves that I may happen upon, and I will leave a trail of breadcrumbs to find my way back, so don't eat them! If I come back zombified, you have my blessings to take me out. 2 in the head should do it.

Wow. I went trough the first couple pages of that forum, and DAMN those are some crazy people. It reminds me of an alcoholic who hasn't had a drink in 2 months and freaks out at a party because someone brought a rum cake. lol what a bunch of nutters. :facepalm:

Now that's funny! LOL

I remember seeing one comment that said that vapers should not be able to vape indoors because when they see someone vaping, it makes them want a cigarette. Hey buddy, practice that self control. Practice.
 
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Are they all that bad? I find it hard to believe that the entire forum is that adamantly against e-cigs. Surely, there has to be a few members that recognize that e-cigs are definitely a better option than smoking cigarettes, whether it be long term, or just in the interim. 3,999 out of 4,000 chemicals agree!
No, they are not all that bad.

That forum is run by a group of long-time hardcore members.
And they were the ones that fought us tooth and nail because they saw us as a threat.

They saw us as a threat to their forum, and as a threat to their beliefs.

I believe they believe what they believe, and I also believe they are wrong.
And they believe we are wrong.

And so it goes.
 

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No, they are not all that bad.

That forum is run by a group of long-time hardcore members.
And they were the ones that fought us tooth and nail because they saw us as a threat.

They saw us as a threat to their forum, and as a threat to their beliefs.

I believe they believe what they believe, and I also believe they are wrong.
And they believe we are wrong.

And so it goes.

So what stance do the admin and moderators from QSMB take in all of this? They obviously believe that e-cigs are a viable topic of discussion on a smoking/nicotine cessation board, deserving of an entire subforum.
 
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