WF-139 Charger connection issues.

[Scorched]

So I recieved my Lazer in the mail today, lightning fast shipping. So far I am in love with the device. It's smaller than I had anticipated and the silver and black color combination is drop dead sexy. I wouldn't have it any other way. So far the preformance seems better than the stock 510, which is great. I am having one problem, though with my charger.

Ikenvape was generous enough to include some magnetic spacers with the charger so that the 10440 batteries would fit, free of charge. Talk about top of the line customer service

I am havving an issue with either the spacers at the negative end or the connection at the positive end. The first battery I charged did so very quickly, I thought. It only lasted me about 40 minutes so I figured it wasn't charged. I left the other ones on the charger for a couple hours even though the light was green. I got over an hour with the next one.

While I am charging them the light will flash between red and green to signify it's charging. When I leave the batteries there for awhile the light will be solid green, which I assume mean it's done charging. It also stays solid green when there is not a battery in the charging slot. At this point I re-allign the connection at the top and bottom and the charger will go back to flashing for awhile. I repeat this a number of times.

So my questions:
How long does it take for the battery to charge, generally?
Am I doing something wrong? How can I keep the connection solid throughout the whole charging process?

Thanks in advance for the help! Otherwise everything is going great and I wanted to applaude Ikenvape for their tremendous efforts. I will be a return customer.

 

[Scorched]

Update:
Okay, so when the light is solid green I push down on the battery on the positive end. From there it will turn red and flash three times, then go back to solid green. It does that everytime.

Edit: Okay I lied. I tried it again a few more times; once it flashed 6 times, another 7 times and another 5 times.

 

[Switched]

With the magnets on the negative end, your positive button may not be contacting the button (positive) properly. Make sure the positive button is contacting the positive of the charger properly (alignment) A 10440 will take an hour or so, depending on the charger. At the same time dont' expect hoogles of vape time off a 10440 batt, it's better than a 510 but... 2-3 hrs tops.

 

[Iken]

Hey Scorched!
Wow It feels like i just sent your package yesterday!
Yes Mr Switched and I share the same notions.
You definitely want to make sure it's locked in place in a sense.

 

[Scorched]

ah-ha! Thank you for the picture, I thought I was doing it right. After the first two charges the batteries have be working just fine, I have been getting about 3-4 hours out of them. Good stuff.

I suppose I thought I was havving issues with it because it charged the batteries VERY quickly and disconnecting and re-connecting them gave me a few flashes. This is why I thought they were not connecting properly, if that makes any sence. The charge time was so quick I just didn't believe they were done!

So lets forget about all of that, I'm not having any problems & I am in love with your product. The free bumper sticker was pretty neat, too ;D

 

[JimStanmore]

I've tried the instructions in this thread but, my batteries are still having issues. The first 3 or 4 charges worked fine - about 45 min or so to the green light. Since then, however, the light goes green after about 5 or 10 minutes. The performance of the battery will be good for about 4 or 5 draws and then there is feeble vapor after that. I have tried continuing to use the battery for a couple of hours or just putting it back on the charger. Also, using two spacers on one battery or putting the spacer on the positive side. I have also tried reseating the battery every few minutes to put it back into the charge cycle. I just received a third one today to compare the performance.

These batteries started this behavior after only 2 weeks. I am a sort of heavy vapor, am I asking too much of the 10440?

EDIT: Just tried a brand new cartomizer with one of the batteries and it has started out very strong.

 

[Switched]

Sounds like your batteries might be toast. Have you been using them with a low resistance atty? If so, they are more than likely toast. Over discharge is my guess.

 

[Iken]

ah-ha! Thank you for the picture, I thought I was doing it right. After the first two charges the batteries have be working just fine, I have been getting about 3-4 hours out of them. Good stuff.

I suppose I thought I was havving issues with it because it charged the batteries VERY quickly and disconnecting and re-connecting them gave me a few flashes. This is why I thought they were not connecting properly, if that makes any sence. The charge time was so quick I just didn't believe they were done!

So lets forget about all of that, I'm not having any problems & I am in love with your product. The free bumper sticker was pretty neat, too ;D

Ah good to hear buddy!!

I've tried the instructions in this thread but, my batteries are still having issues. The first 3 or 4 charges worked fine - about 45 min or so to the green light. Since then, however, the light goes green after about 5 or 10 minutes. The performance of the battery will be good for about 4 or 5 draws and then there is feeble vapor after that. I have tried continuing to use the battery for a couple of hours or just putting it back on the charger. Also, using two spacers on one battery or putting the spacer on the positive side. I have also tried reseating the battery every few minutes to put it back into the charge cycle. I just received a third one today to compare the performance.

These batteries started this behavior after only 2 weeks. I am a sort of heavy vapor, am I asking too much of the 10440?

EDIT: Just tried a brand new cartomizer with one of the batteries and it has started out very strong.

Hmm How are you fairing with the cartomizer now? The 10440 can take a beating just fine and last a few months w/out any problems. A standard e-cig uses a 10430 battery. Switch has a point,but I didn't experience it yet. I'm only on day 4 alternating our 2.0Ω 510 and 901 and am still getting 3.5 hours. Let's do a process of elimination, we'll route it out and fix it right a way. We have 3 factors, type of atom, battery and charger. Only one spacer is needed on the negative side for the 10440, I used 2 for clear visibility. So, how did/is your run going with the cartomizer?

 

[JimStanmore]

I have always used cartomizers (510 or 808.) I am getting suspicious that it might have been 2 or 3 dying cartos so, I am going to use these two batteries in my two Lazers until they are definitely run down with other cartos. The problem is that the cartos I was using work fine with a pass-through.

I should have results later tonight because I just switched from the pass-through and back to the batteries. One thing is for sure, these Lazers can sure burn through some juice fast!

 

[Switched]

Switch has a point,but I didn't experience it yet. I'm only on day 4 alternating our 2.0Ω 510 and 901 and am still getting 3.5 hours.

Ah, but as we discussed before your LRs which are SLBs correct? are pretty close to what we call stock JoyEs at 2 Ohms vice 2.2 Ohms.

Many are using 10440 batts with the 1.5 Ohm LRs and that batt was never designed to handle the current draw, at least from what I have been explained. Folks using the 1.5 Ohm LR and 10440 are reposting run times as low as 1 hr, 1.5 hrs being the norm.

To further exacerbate the problem most of the folks doing this are using unprotected batts, not a good situatiion as there is no overcurrent protection in play here, which may indeed lead to venting.

As far as I am concerned, these folks should by a Chameleon where they can get their 6V experience or an LR expereince using the 14670 batt, which was designed to carry these large loads. How's that for advertising

 

[Iken]

I have always used cartomizers (510 or 808.) I am getting suspicious that it might have been 2 or 3 dying cartos so, I am going to use these two batteries in my two Lazers until they are definitely run down with other cartos. The problem is that the cartos I was using work fine with a pass-through.

I should have results later tonight because I just switched from the pass-through and back to the batteries. One thing is for sure, these Lazers can sure burn through some juice fast!

Ahh I see now. It may just be the cartomizers. Even though they can handle 5V, they have a problem reverting back to 3.7-4.2. When higher voltage is placed on them it's as-if a tunnel is being widened as the resistance raises. Try using a cartomizer strictly on 3.7 and please inform us how the batteries are holding up against them. Love progress!

Ah, but as we discussed before your LRs which are SLBs correct? are pretty close to what we call stock JoyEs at 2 Ohms vice 2.2 Ohms.

Many are using 10440 batts with the 1.5 Ohm LRs and that batt was never designed to handle the current draw, at least from what I have been explained. Folks using the 1.5 Ohm LR and 10440 are reposting run times as low as 1 hr, 1.5 hrs being the norm.

To further exacerbate the problem most of the folks doing this are using unprotected batts, not a good situatiion as there is no overcurrent protection in play here, which may indeed lead to venting.

As far as I am concerned, these folks should by a Chameleon where they can get their 6V experience or an LR expereince using the 14670 batt, which was designed to carry these large loads. How's that for advertising

LOL Just like a ...... commercial! Well done! My turn!! Yes 1.5LR is obviously a huge problem with battery sources and also their own life expectancies. I was pretty certain that a stock Joye 510 came in at 2.5, didn't it? So since we took it down just a wince of a notch. The feeling one should get with these should be around the 4.8V mark (if I did the math correctly) Either way, these guys are powerful, not harsh, but a smooth toasty vape. I been exclusively testing the three simultaneously with extra stress and not one has burned or even gave a burnt taste for that matter. So we get a Hv feeling, with a longer life and a smoother burn all in One! How do they do it!

 

[JimStanmore]

Iken, a very interesting point. I used the 2 batteries (808 and 510 Lazers) alternately for 2 or 3 hours last night and then about an hour this morning until they both died. The cartomizers were new (unfilled) - one from you and another from another supplier. ECOPure and your Q10 filled.

Vapor was good until about 15 minutes before zero vapor. The batteries have been red on the charger now for over 45 minutes. So, the batteries seem OK.

I usually "burn" a newly filled carto in with the passthrough and that may be part of the problem. It is reasonable to consider that the higher voltage would alter the nature of the element in the carto. I am using a passthrough that does not use a battery and definitely lets full voltage through. I characteristically have been swapping the cartos from the passthrough to whatever battery I am going out with (several adapters.) I never paid much attention to the difference in performance before because there was such a difference between the passthrough and PV voltages/normal performance. The Lazer, however, is a great performer and almost on par with my passthrough. That made the difference apparent.

One final comment for now: this hasn't happened with all of my cartos, just the particular ones that I have been using for the last 2 or 3 days. That may mean that some brands of carto are affected and others aren't. For instance, the one I am using now - performance dropped very little when I swapped to the Lazer. This means two things to me: that I need to run a little study and track the differences between brands while running a control and, b) a valid excuse for my first video.

BTW, none of this would have come up if your Lazers didn't perform almost as well as a 5v passthrough...

 

[Iken]

Iken, a very interesting point. I used the 2 batteries (808 and 510 Lazers) alternately for 2 or 3 hours last night and then about an hour this morning until they both died. The cartomizers were new (unfilled) - one from you and another from another supplier. ECOPure and your Q10 filled.

Vapor was good until about 15 minutes before zero vapor. The batteries have been red on the charger now for over 45 minutes. So, the batteries seem OK.

I usually "burn" a newly filled carto in with the passthrough and that may be part of the problem. It is reasonable to consider that the higher voltage would alter the nature of the element in the carto. I am using a passthrough that does not use a battery and definitely lets full voltage through. I characteristically have been swapping the cartos from the passthrough to whatever battery I am going out with (several adapters.) I never paid much attention to the difference in performance before because there was such a difference between the passthrough and PV voltages/normal performance. The Lazer, however, is a great performer and almost on par with my passthrough. That made the difference apparent.

One final comment for now: this hasn't happened with all of my cartos, just the particular ones that I have been using for the last 2 or 3 days. That may mean that some brands of carto are affected and others aren't. For instance, the one I am using now - performance dropped very little when I swapped to the Lazer. This means two things to me: that I need to run a little study and track the differences between brands while running a control and, b) a valid excuse for my first video.

BTW, none of this would have come up if your Lazers didn't perform almost as well as a 5v passthrough...

Absolutely Jim depending on the cartomizers built-in quality would weigh out oif it can stand 5+V. It's easy to forget, when the Chinese invented these, they were meant for disposable use only. Then the "knock-offs" came about and they are ofcourse made of even cheaper material.
When we were doing research for the "cream of the crop" cartomizer's. We stumbled onto these through a Chinese source.

These are horrible! They burn right up in no time and aren't even good for a refill. Burning is what we Don't want with these. As an atomizer is made of metal mesh, cartomizers are strictly poly batting with the exception of the heating element. Once they burn or show visible signs of burning on the exterior of the cartomizer, discard it immediately and never look back. Because you are indeed inhaling burned fibers. Sometimes, high voltage is not the key to a good vape. Especially in this scenario. Some cartomizer's can be used on 5v just fine, but when the inventors' themselves question why and don't recommend it. I would back away from it too. I'm with you on the Laser's being a perfect fit, because the 10440 kick it up a slight notch to 4.0V than 3.7V and that's all thats really needed for a good feel without including any harm.