What 18650 batteries for DNA200?

[Locnox]

Im kinda new to vaping and been using the m80 from smoktech. Now im looking to upgrade and been looking at the DNA200 chip and found a mod that uses three 18650 batteries and Im new to batteries and all what it means.
So far I've been looking at the VTC4 and 25R, but I don't really grasp how the DNA chip works.
Let's say I want to vape builds between 0.08-0.2ohms, what is the minimum continues discharge ampere batteries I should use?

If I understand correct the m80 function like this, the manufacturer use battteries they know the amperage and restrict the chip to the settings like minimum 0.1ohm in restistance and the power to max 80 watts, and then the chip regulates the voltage.
But the how does the DNA chip know the amperage of the batteries I put in? Can it dectect the ampere?

 

[xtwosm0kesx]

Im kinda new to vaping and been using the m80 from smoktech. Now im looking to upgrade and been looking at the DNA200 chip and found a mod that uses three 18650 batteries and Im new to batteries and all what it means.
So far I've been looking at the VTC4 and 25R, but I don't really grasp how the DNA chip works.
Let's say I want to vape builds between 0.08-0.2ohms, what is the minimum continues discharge ampere batteries I should use?

If I understand correct the m80 function like this, the manufacturer use battteries they know the amperage and restrict the chip to the settings like minimum 0.1ohm in restistance and the power to max 80 watts, and then the chip regulates the voltage.
But the how does the DNA chip know the amperage of the batteries I put in? Can it dectect the ampere?

The maximum the DNA200 will ever draw is 23 amps, and unless you're running it at 200w flat out (highly unlikely) it will only draw that amount for VERY short periods of time.

You should be fine with VTC5s, 25r's, or HE2's among a few others. Check out Mooch's Blog for a great resource on testing/everything you need to know about many of the batteries currently on the market.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/xfa-blog-category/cell-tests.357/view-entries

 

[Locnox]

The maximum the DNA200 will ever draw is 23 amps, and unless you're running it at 200w flat out (highly unlikely) it will only draw that amount for VERY short periods of time.

You should be fine with VTC5s, 25r's, or HE2's among a few others. Check out Mooch's Blog for a great resource on testing/everything you need to know about many of the batteries currently on the market.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/xfa-blog-category/cell-tests.357/view-entries

So I should use 25A battery or could I use an 20A battery like the HG2 because I will never use 200W?
Everyone I talked to said never to use LG, only use Samsung or Sony, but what I can read the HG2 seem to be a really good battery, both Mooch, Batterybro and Pegasus Vapor Academy talks good about the battery.
Where can you read the dna200 only draw 23amps at max?

Thanks for the help I appreciate it, it can be really overwhelming to choose and understand batteries in the battery-jungle.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

From the evolve data sheet ---> http://www.evolvapor.com/dna200.php

 

[Locnox]

From the evolve data sheet ---> http://www.evolvapor.com/dna200.php

Thanks! I've looked through that sheet before but I missed that part.

 

[Spirometry]

I personally I would go with the VTC4. 23.3Wh is more than enough for me.

The DNA200 has 200w preheat in temp mode. It also monitors each cell voltage individually. If any one cell gets below 3.09v (default setting), you will get a weak battery message. So at lower battery levels, you have to keep in mind that you will have even more voltage drop than a fully charge cell.

 

[Locnox]

I personally I would go with the VTC4. 23.3Wh is more than enough for me.

How do you calculate the Wh?
I use this (mAh * V / 1000 = Wh) so lets say I have the HG2 and 3x2900=8700mAh, 3x4.2=12.6V should be 8700*12.6/1000 = 109.62Wh. Is that correct calculated?

The DNA200 has 200w preheat in temp mode. It also monitors each cell voltage individually. If any one cell gets below 3.09v (default setting), you will get a weak battery message. So at lower battery levels, you have to keep in mind that you will have even more voltage drop than a fully charge cell.

Sorry I did'nt really understand that part.
Im mostly gonna vape in wattage mode unless I really start to like TC vaping, never tried it.
How does the voltage drop affect the battery you mean?
Sorry If I don't understand, think it's the language barrier.

 

[edyle]

Im kinda new to vaping and been using the m80 from smoktech. Now im looking to upgrade and been looking at the DNA200 chip and found a mod that uses three 18650 batteries and Im new to batteries and all what it means.
So far I've been looking at the VTC4 and 25R, but I don't really grasp how the DNA chip works.
Let's say I want to vape builds between 0.08-0.2ohms, what is the minimum continues discharge ampere batteries I should use?

If I understand correct the m80 function like this, the manufacturer use battteries they know the amperage and restrict the chip to the settings like minimum 0.1ohm in restistance and the power to max 80 watts, and then the chip regulates the voltage.
But the how does the DNA chip know the amperage of the batteries I put in? Can it dectect the ampere?

1: The DNA chip does not know the amperage rating of the batteries you put in.

2: If you use a DNA200 chip, the batteries you want to be safe are batteries which together can deliver 200 watts;
- for 2 batteries that would mean 100 watts per battery
- for the 3 battery mod, that would mean 70 watts per battery; a 25amp battery would suffice.
buy 3 pairs of one type of battery, and mark 3 of them "A" and the other 3 as "B"; keep each set together.

 

[Spirometry]

Cells in series the mah will remain the same and the voltage will triple. Also going to work in voltage nominal not fully charged. 3.7v * 3cells=11.1v

11.1v * 3000mAh(HG2)/ 1000 = 33.3Wh

 

[Locnox]

1: The DNA chip does not know the amperage rating of the batteries you put in.

2: If you use a DNA200 chip, the batteries you want to be safe are batteries which together can deliver 200 watts;
- for 2 batteries that would mean 100 watts per battery
- for the 3 battery mod, that would mean 70 watts per battery; a 25amp battery would suffice.
buy 3 pairs of one type of battery, and mark 3 of them "A" and the other 3 as "B"; keep each set together.

Thanks for the help! I know it's important to have married batteries, discharge and charge them togheter.

Cells in series the mah will remain the same and the voltage will triple. Also going to work in voltage nominal not fully charged. 3.7v * 3cells=11.1v

11.1v * 3000mAh(HG2)/ 1000 = 33.3Wh

Ofc!
Thanks so much for explaining it to me. Im such a noob at this.

 

[Mooch]

You can get a decent idea of the Wh for a battery by using the nominal voltage but the nominal voltage changes depending on how much current is being drawn from the battery and which battery you're using. In my testing at 15A...

The HG2 delivered 8.20Wh
The 25R delivered 7.02Wh
The FullyMax 900mAh LiPo delivered 9.42Wh

Three HG2's in series would deliver about 24.6Wh versus 9.42Wh for the 900mAh LiPo, a considerable increase!

 

[Locnox]

You can get a decent idea of the Wh for a battery by using the nominal voltage but the nominal voltage changes depending on how much current is being drawn from the battery and which battery you're using. In my testing at 15A...

The HG2 delivered 8.20Wh
The 25R delivered 7.02Wh
The FullyMax 900mAh LiPo delivered 9.42Wh

Three HG2's in series would deliver about 24.6Wh versus 9.42Wh for the 900mAh LiPo, a considerable increase!

I really like the Wh of HG2 but the more important thing is to vape safe. Would I be safe with 3 HG2 in a dna200? Or should I go with the VTC4 that Spiromentry recommended, and if I look in your Safety Grade PDF VTC4 is the better choice. But like I said the Wh of HG2 is really appealing.

 

[Mooch]

I really like the Wh of HG2 but the more important thing is to vape safe. Would I be safe with 3 HG2 in a dna200? Or should I go with the VTC4 that Spiromentry recommended, and if I look in your Safety Grade PDF VTC4 is the better choice. But like I said the Wh of HG2 is really appealing.

It depends on how hard you're running them. If you will be vaping at 180W or less (60W oer battery), and not chain vaping all the time, in my opinion you can use the HG2's.

But, the VTC4's are fantastic high-current batteries and you can't go wrong using them. They're the better choice if safety is the priority.

 

[Locnox]

It depends on how hard you're running them. If you will be vaping at 180W or less (60W oer battery), and not chain vaping all the time, in my opinion you can use the HG2's.

But, the VTC4's are fantastic high-current batteries and you can't go wrong using them. They're the better choice if safety is the priority.

I will start with the VTC4 and maybe try HG2 down the road. Thanks for the help and input!
All this is new to me and I have a lot to learn.