What am I doing wrong?

[Hinterscher]

I am using e juice from Heaven Gifts, which I like straight. I'm using Humco glycerin, which is VG, I called the co. and asked all about it, and Lorann's flavoring. The nic juice is strawberry and I'm using strawberry Lorann's oil. I'm using this calculator to figure the amounts, I went from 24 mg to 18 mg and also halved it to 12. The juice seems thin and the first few vapes, I'm using a cartridge, are great, really thick and heavy, but quickly taper off to just almost nothing like I need to refill. I top off by dripping a few drops, then squishing the filler and pulling it back up to get the air out and keep adding drops till it's completely full. When I check my filler, it still looks wet and only takes a couple of drops to fill, so I should still have good vapor. I'm confused as to why my cut down juice isn't working so good?

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Sometimes carts will get air in the bottom and don't wick in juice well. Try the straw modification? You don't say what unit you are using, but most of these will improve with a straw http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/11421-cart-mod-better-refilling.html#post176708

 

[CentroniX]

VG is pretty thick, and depending on how much you are using and what your cart material is, it might not be wicking so well. Might try adding a drop or two of distilled water or straight PG to thin it out a little more, so that it'll wick better.

Also, stay away from the 'oil' based flavorings. There are several threads about them in the DIY E-Liquid forum. In a nutshell, some believe they are bad for your atomizer, and others think they may not be very good for you to inhale.

 

[Hinterscher]

Yeah, no oil at all. I'm using a 901 atty with a 901 battery and then with a mod box too. I've tried the straw mod and just wasn't happy with it for some reason. I even tried several different size, type of straws. I'll try diluting it, but it seems so thin to begin with, much thinner than I'd think with using the VG.

 

[RenaissancePuffer]

Are you using a blank cart with stock filler? Refilled carts that you build yourself really can be a trick to get the right consistency.

As was mentioned the VG is thick. It can be vaped uncut (without a cart), it simply thins out as the atty heats up. My juice is normally in the 30-40% VG range, and I get great results, be it in a cart or dripped.

How does the base PG liquid vape by itself?

Also, can you give us your mixture measurements? We need a little more information to be of more help.

 

[Scubabatdan]

Are you using a blank cart with stock filler? Refilled carts that you build yourself really can be a trick to get the right consistency.

As was mentioned the VG is thick. It can be vaped uncut (without a cart), it simply thins out as the atty heats up. My juice is normally in the 30-40% VG range, and I get great results, be it in a cart or dripped.

How does the base PG liquid vape by itself?

Also, can you give us your mixture measurements? We need a little more information to be of more help.

I concurr, I use 20-30% VG with out having to add any thinning agent such as water or vodka *hick* and it vapes with tons of vapor. I also dont use a cart mod such as the hole drill or straw method and it works great.

Whe you stated Lorran Oils I am assuming were just referring to the company name that goes by Lorann Oils. Not that you were using an oil based flavor since they dont have an oil base stawberry. I for one have been using oils for over 80 days, one dead atty in that time and if you are worried about inhalating oil based flavors, read up on the aroma theropy sites for which ones you can use and cant use safely. I am not here to start another oils debate war. But the constant "Oil is bad for your atty" is crap. If used in small amount such as 4 drops per 10ml the damage is no more than using flavoring with coloring in it like cherry, stawberry, or keoke coffe. The life of an atty is finite. The sooner you accept it the better your life will be. I have one atty I have been using oil in exclusivly for 40+ days now and it is still going stong. Love my clove!

Well enough of the dead horse, *Whack!*

BTW try my ejuice calculator V6 here has a few more features located here:
Ejuice Calculator V6

Hope this helps you some
Dan

 

[Hinterscher]

I linked in the op which calculator I was using and what strengths, mentioned that I was using heaven direct juice, normally fine for me and that I was starting from 24 to 18 and also 24 to 12. What more info were you wanting? Just wondering, not trying to be snotty, just honestly don't know. The 2nd batch I made was 40% VG. I think I must have the cart wrong somehow like RenaissancePuffer said as I am using fluval instead of the original. Time to try the dripping I suppose..... again. I just don't like dripping every few puffs, but at this point, I'm just topping off instead.

 

[RenaissancePuffer]

Yeah, you had everything listed but the flavoring %, I guess I could assume you used 20%, but I try not to assume anything

 

[Hinterscher]

I tried 20% first and that just had an off taste to it, to me. The next I tried 10% and not enough, so 15% will be the next try.

 

[Grammie]

Is there a section in the calculator for taking 36mg flavored juice down to a lower nicotine level? If not, how would you do that and retain the flavor? Is there a calculation that can be done to add more flavoring while taking it to a lower level of nicotine?

I have some flavored juice 36mg that I want to cut without cutting the flavor. So, that means I'll have to add flavoring to that mixture. How can I do that and what amount of drops/ml should I use?

Not sure if I'm making myself clear enough to understand, but I'm trying!

Thanks Scubabatdan!

 

[CentroniX]

Is there a section in the calculator for taking 36mg flavored juice down to a lower nicotine level? If not, how would you do that and retain the flavor? Is there a calculation that can be done to add more flavoring while taking it to a lower level of nicotine?

I have some flavored juice 36mg that I want to cut without cutting the flavor. So, that means I'll have to add flavoring to that mixture. How can I do that and what amount of drops/ml should I use?

Not sure if I'm making myself clear enough to understand, but I'm trying!

Thanks Scubabatdan!

It's easy math.

Let's say you have 36mg juice. 36/2=18. So 1ml of 36mg juice, and you add 1ml of PG or VG, you've diluted it by half, resulting in 2ml of 18mg juice. 36mg/4=9. So 1ml of 36mg juice, and 3ml of PG or VG, you've diluted it by three quarters, resulting in 4mg of 9mg juice.

The bad news is, if you cut 36mg down to 18mg, you also cut the flavor in half; There is no way around that. But, if you substitute PG or VG with flavoring, theoretically, you can achieve the same thing. 1ml of 36mg combined with 1ml of flavor would, theoretically, yield 2ml of 18mg juice, with the same amount of flavor... The question is, how well will it vape with that much flavoring in leu of PG or VG?

I've cut lots of unflavored 36mg juice down to 18-21mg juice with my own flavors, but never tried it with a pre-existing flavor and keeping the flavor consistant. I think that's a whole 'nother ball game.

cent

 

[Grammie]

Thanks for the help! I think if I find the "right" flavoring I might be able to get close. Any other suggestions or thoughts very much appreciated!

 

[olderthandirt]

Thanks for the help! I think if I find the "right" flavoring I might be able to get close. Any other suggestions or thoughts very much appreciated!

For sure DL the v6 calculator that Dan has put together for us! I don't do math! The calculator allows you to what-if to your hearts content!

 

[Scubabatdan]

Thanks for the help! I think if I find the "right" flavoring I might be able to get close. Any other suggestions or thoughts very much appreciated!

Centronix is right as you add/dilute the original you will lose flavor. The only way to get it back is to add flavoring. Now if it is bananna or cherry NP add a little Lorran flavoring. If it is like malboro then you will either have to order it at a lower nic level or live with a diluted flavor. No way around losing flavor on a premix ejuice when you add PG/VG to it. But you should be able to get away with adding 10% with out a noticable difference IMO. Going from 36mg to 25mg is only adding in 10.6% PG/VG which should be do able without a notcible differeance.
Dan

 

[Hinterscher]

If the link works (I hope so) it figures everything for you. Even the flavoring. I tried it with loranns at 15% and that was spot on for me. It gives measurements in ml and in drops and you can change just about every variable that would come to mind.

ETA: the link is in the op, fyi.

 

[Scubabatdan]

If the link works (I hope so) it figures everything for you. Even the flavoring. I tried it with loranns at 15% and that was spot on for me. It gives measurements in ml and in drops and you can change just about every variable that would come to mind.

ETA: the link is in the op, fyi.

Yes the link is 100% operational, there was a problem with 25 downloads a day but I have upgraded to a paid account so it is unlimited now. I have aslo added the link in my signature.
Enjoy!
Dan

 

[Grammie]

Thanks much Dan, the calculator is awesome! My flavorings arrived today! The only two I really like, Coffee and Chocolate!

Has anyone ever cut 36mg to 18 and added flavoring?

 

[Hinterscher]

Yes, the calculator takes in all of the different parts, flavoring and water content, if wanted, included. The link to it is in the op.