So today I was given a Clearomizer, CE5 shaped, but with punch holes instead of wicks and the base has the same grated feel as a T3, 2 notches for air clearance. Can't find anything that would help me discover what this is and where it comes from. Which then got me thinking about All the CE5's that don't say iClear16 or anything else. Ego batteries that have no fancy stamp on the bottom. Why is there so little to distinguish between makers? I know why the generics do that, with their poor quality and higher prices, but smok, Innokin, Kanger and Vision, where is their pride? Joye Would stamp my forehead if I let them "Original Vapor from JoyeTech". If you know the answers to this, beyond "they are made in China and with no copyright laws it's almost useless." Are any of these companies American or EU made? Do any of them have factories in the states, so the quality and TM. aren't ripped off? Who built the first Ego? What is an 808, and is it worth using? So many things I want to know, so many issues with my computer and the Wiki. So, if anyone can name that Clearomizer, you shall be dubbed my champion for the day, which means little and comes with nothing but a sense of wellness and cheer. My last non wiki question, partly because even though I have hit my 5 posts I can't seem to leave posts in some forums. I recently found out about the center pin in the batteries or mod tops that can get pushed down (which is why my T3 didn't work on my smok winder). Is pulling this up too far or too often a problem and how does one judge too far? If I keep pulling on it will I go blind or get hairy palms?