The Tugboat attys aren't cloud makers. They are more for flavor. You need something with more airflow. The turbo isn't bad, but that lil fan whistling at me would drive me nuts. Also, if you are building below .5 ohms, you should really only run it on a regulated mod. That's not completely safe on a mech mod. The arctic does make some decent clouds though. And the flavor is pretty decent as well.