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Cloud chasing is the dumbest thing to ever happen to the vaping world. Keep in mind that alot of the youtube videos you see are just that, you tube videos. Alot of the setups they use to produce clouds are highly impracticle. Most of those huge clouds you see people blowing aren't the result of just a sub ohm build, theres more factors at play. You can get huge clouds with a micro coil build at a much higer resitance , lower wattage, and much lower battery amp draw as well, in other words, safer. There are many ways to get "big clouds".

Here are the key things I've noticed in the few youtube videos I've seen about big clouds is the following:

The vape artists always make sure these things are in order:
Perfect lighting to make vapor appear thicker. Still dead air to avoid vapor dissipating. They always take ridiculously deep direct lung hits. Their juice is usually 100%VG and has zero nicotine. Their air holes or multipe air holes on their RBA/RDA's are drilled out to a gigantic diameter, so much that they are rendered useless for mouth to lung hits. Theres usually multiple cuts/edits in the video, meaning you don't get to see how they have to go to their plano box every dozen hits to swap out batteries, and you miss the part where they own like 100 batteries that occupy said plano box. You also miss the part where they have to top off their atty every 3 hits and kill a bottle of juice in half an hour. These videos are just stunt shows, most of those setups are highly impractical and dangerous. They are pushing their batteries to dangerous levels. One bad cell on a battery, one short, anything that can go wrong could cause catostrophic consequences. These people are insane and give a bad reputation to vapers.

I would suggest you don't go below 0.8 ohm, give your battery some leeway in case of something going wrong. Or better yet, build yourself a microcoil and you'll see how you can vape with amazing taste, vapor, and most importantly, safely.
 

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Well my question is: what is the specs people are chasing for maximum vapor.

Basically my question is, why do people prefer sub ohm

Which is the future of cloud chasing one might ask. A coil with tons of surface area and low ohms?

Cheers,
Eric

Edit: Hmm, seems people are assuming I want to build subohm, though I'm confident in my knowledge of battery safety and ohms conversions and using a multimeter. My questions are rather theoretical in an attempt to focus on what has potential and fun builds I should pass up on. Basically... scientifically, what will produce more vapor.

Alright thanks, for some reason everything but my questions got answered. O well.

Eric, the problem with your post is that the questions buried in/around "not gonna do it" are not only theoretical but rhetorical and all asking about "cloud chasing", "fun builds", "low ohms", "sub ohms" & "maximum vapor". So while you interject that you aren't gonna go there, the pointers in your original post are asking sub ohm questions and using sub ohm rhetoric. Us trying to sort out what answer you are expecting are somewhat confused. Perhaps if you had just asked "What builds are people using to get maximum vapor that aren't sub ohm?" you would have got an answer. But I'm still not sure that is the question you are asking.
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Cloud chasing is the dumbest thing to ever happen to the vaping world. Keep in mind that alot of the youtube videos you see are just that, you tube videos. Alot of the setups they use to produce clouds are highly impracticle. Most of those huge clouds you see people blowing aren't the result of just a sub ohm build, theres more factors at play. You can get huge clouds with a micro coil build at a much higer resitance , lower wattage, and much lower battery amp draw as well, in other words, safer. There are many ways to get "big clouds".

Here are the key things I've noticed in the few youtube videos I've seen about big clouds is the following:

The vape artists always make sure these things are in order:
Perfect lighting to make vapor appear thicker. Still dead air to avoid vapor dissipating. They always take ridiculously deep direct lung hits. Their juice is usually 100%VG and has zero nicotine. Their air holes or multipe air holes on their RBA/RDA's are drilled out to a gigantic diameter, so much that they are rendered useless for mouth to lung hits. Theres usually multiple cuts/edits in the video, meaning you don't get to see how they have to go to their plano box every dozen hits to swap out batteries, and you miss the part where they own like 100 batteries that occupy said plano box. You also miss the part where they have to top off their atty every 3 hits and kill a bottle of juice in half an hour. These videos are just stunt shows, most of those setups are highly impractical and dangerous. They are pushing their batteries to dangerous levels. One bad cell on a battery, one short, anything that can go wrong could cause catostrophic consequences. These people are insane and give a bad reputation to vapers.

I would suggest you don't go below 0.8 ohm, give your battery some leeway in case of something going wrong. Or better yet, build yourself a microcoil and you'll see how you can vape with amazing taste, vapor, and most importantly, safely.

Haha, why do everyone think I'm building a subohm coil. In the original post I said I bought a Vamo heh, and was basing my builds off of RiP Tripper's videos. He gets consistent clouds on his build, he doesn't have cuts in his videos.

Eric, the problem with your post is that the questions buried in/around "not gonna do it" are not only theoretical but rhetorical and all asking about "cloud chasing", "fun builds", "low ohms", "sub ohms" & "maximum vapor". So while you interject that you aren't gonna go there, the pointers in your original post are asking sub ohm questions and using sub ohm rhetoric. Us trying to sort out what answer you are expecting are somewhat confused. Perhaps if you had just asked "What builds are people using to get maximum vapor that aren't sub ohm?" you would have got an answer. But I'm still not sure that is the question you are asking.
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Rather, Hmmmm, I feel like my question is, why Mechanical Mods + Sub-Ohm builds. Why not VV/VW Mods with Low-Ohm micro coil.
 
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Rather, Hmmmm, I feel like my question is, why Mechanical Mods + Sub-Ohm builds. Why not VV/VW Mods with Low-Ohm micro coil.

Most VV/VW PVs short safety feature will kick in around 1.1 - 1.2 ohms and have limits to max power output....

theoretically you could draw every available amp a battery has with a mechanical, not condoning this, it's not possible with a variable....
 
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So I'm using a Magneto with a tried and true 18560, RSST at .78 ohms, cotton wick and a pg vg mix. Battery life seems reasonable.Am I gonna blow my face off?

That depends upon the battery that you are using. I'm guessing you made a typo, because there is no 18560 battery made; I'll assume you meant an 18650 battery.

You didn't give the name brand of battery you have, whether it is a protected ICR or an IMR/hybrid battery, or what the continuous discharge rate in amps is for your specific battery. Why don't you already know whether the battery is safe for the coil you are using?

This is critical information to know if you are doing sub-ohm vaping.

If you don't know the answers to these questions, you have no business doing sub ohms, and you might well blow your face off.

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Yep typo. Thanks...doubtless some form of red wine dyslexia. @asbestos...that is truly ....ing funny. You're a total fireman.
Sorry I didn't give sufficient info to formulate a useful or answerable question. Thanks for replying. I'm new at this bit and on a learning curve for sure.
So the 18650 is an AW IMR 3.7V 2000mAh 7.4WH
It was sold to me with a ProVari and re purposed for the Magneto under supervision of the person who wrapped the micro coil it's powering. Yes I made an assumption and perhaps took a risk to trust this technician who works at a shop where everyone was vaping similar set ups.
And no I do not know what the continuous discharge rate is for this battery. How does one determine discharge rates? Would that info be included in the specs where the battery is purchased or is a metered test of some sort required? I will look more online and educate myself further. Definitely concerns and interests me. Safety and curiosity. I like to know how things work.
 

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So the 18650 is an AW IMR 3.7V 2000mAh

And no I do not know what the continuous discharge rate is for this battery. How does one determine discharge rates? Would that info be included in the specs where the battery is purchased or is a metered test of some sort required? I will look more online and educate myself further. Definitely concerns and interests me. Safety and curiosity. I like to know how things work.
Sorry to come across stern, but I'm a stickler for battery safety since I had a battery go into thermal runaway. Scarey experience. I'm glad you are asking questions and concerned about safety.

The continuous discharge rate of a IMR battery is critical to know when you are making your own coils (esp if using sub-ohm). Most IMR / hybrid batteries only have a 10 amp CDR. Sub-ohm coils require a battery that has a CDR of 20 - 30 amp. Some vendors provide the continuous discharge rate in their battery specs; if not you will have to Google the battery and find it. Below are the CDR in amps of the most often recommended IMR / hybrid batteries:

AW IMR
18650 2000mah 10Amp CDR
18650 1600mah 24A

MNKE IMR
18650 1500mah ​20A

Panasonic ​or Orbtronic hybrid
CGR18650CH (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
NCR18650PD (LiNiCoAl) 2900mAh 10A
Orbtronic 18650 SX22 (hybrid) 2000mAh 22A

Samsung hybrid
INR18650-22P 2200mAh 10A
INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

Sony
us18650v3 IMR 2250mAh 10A
us18650vct3 (hybrid) 1600mAh 30A

Efest IMR
18650 (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
18650 2000mAh 10A
18650 1600mAh 30A

* AW IMR 18490 (1100mah) 8.8A

*AW IMR 18350 ​(700mah) 6A

I recommend learning more about battery chemistry and how to choose the right battery for your use in the two blog articles that I have written:

Battery Basics: IMR or Protected?

Deeper Understanding of Mod Batteries

Theoretically, your AW 2000mAh IMR 18650 battery can handle a 0.8 ohm coil, but you are pushing that particular battery hard doing sub-ohms. You will get safer and better performance getting one of the better batteries which have a continuous discharge rate of 20 amp or more.

Learn to use the Ohm's Law Calculator to find out if the resistance of your coil matches up with the amp limit of your battery. Use the measured resistance of the coil and the voltage (4.2 volts) and the amps pulled will be displayed as "current". Allow some headroom safety so you are only using 80% of your battery's amp draw.
 
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Haha, why do everyone think I'm building a subohm coil. In the original post I said I bought a Vamo heh, and was basing my builds off of RiP Tripper's videos. He gets consistent clouds on his build, he doesn't have cuts in his videos.



Rather, Hmmmm, I feel like my question is, why Mechanical Mods + Sub-Ohm builds. Why not VV/VW Mods with Low-Ohm micro coil.

Sir, I got it. Your question can't be answered. That is like asking someone why do you like apples instead of oranges. Although both fruit, none can really tell you why people prefer one over the other. For me? Sub-ohm. I even sub-ohm my kanger pro at .9 ohms. Its really just preference at that point.

If you were to ask me, I would say mech + sub-ohm only because i love rebuilding and just knowing that I am able to config it exactly the way i like it. VV/VW well, i like them too dont get me wrong. They are easy to play with, but sometimes too easy to play with. I am type that needs something a bit more than a built in motherboard. :vapor:
 
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