What is the definition of smoke?

[Zanderist]

I googled it and found this. Non-trolling purposes. I figure this is how all the laws get passed.
https://www.google.com/search?q=def...5.5665j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

smoke
smok/Submit
noun
1.
a visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air, typically one emitted from a burning substance.
"bonfire smoke"
synonyms: fumes, exhaust, gas, vapor; More
an act of smoking tobacco.
plural noun: smokes
"I'm dying for a smoke"
informal
a cigarette or cigar.
verb
verb: smoke; 3rd person present: smokes; past tense: smoked; past participle: smoked; gerund or present participle: smoking
1.
emit smoke or visible vapor.
"heat the oil until it just smokes"
synonyms: smolder, emit smoke; More
inhale and exhale the smoke of tobacco or a drug.
"Janine was sitting at the kitchen table smoking"
synonyms: puff on, draw on, pull on; More
2.
cure or preserve (meat or fish) by exposure to smoke.
"smoked salmon"
synonyms: cure, preserve, dry More

 

[serenity21899]

My understanding is that nicotene is extracted from tobacco.

 

[Nate760]

My understanding is that nicotene is extracted from tobacco.

Nicotine can be extracted from any number of sources. It's a normal part of the human diet that everyone consumes every day.

 

[Zanderist]

What I'm concerned with how lawyers are defining 'smoke' in the context of the law. And from what my shot from the hip research produced was the definition of 'smoke' containing the line:

emit smoke or visible vapor.
"heat the oil until it just smokes"

 

[Nate760]

What I'm concerned with how lawyers are defining 'smoke' in the context of the law. And from what my shot from the hip research produced was the definition of 'smoke' containing the line:

Smoke is a byproduct of chemical combustion. Without combustion, smoke cannot exist.

 

[Zanderist]

There's a perfect symbol that can point out a major difference between a cigarette and an E-cig.




Tell me which sides do a cigarette have? and which side an E-cig has?

Because where there is smoke there is fire.

 

[stevegmu]

Nicotine can be extracted from any number of sources. It's a normal part of the human diet that everyone consumes every day.

Can you provide a link to a vendor of e-juice who uses nicotine extracted from something other than tobacco?

 

[Nate760]

Can you provide a link to a vendor of e-juice who uses nicotine extracted from something other than tobacco?

No, because to my knowledge, there isn't yet a cost-effective method for extracting nicotine base from anything except tobacco. I do recall reading about a couple of e-liquid vendors that use nicotine extracted from eggplant and chili peppers, but I have no recollection of what the brand names are, and I imagine the prices would be too prohibitive at this stage to make them significant players in the market.

But that's not really the point. The point is that the widely-held perception that "nicotine" and "tobacco" are synonymous terms just isn't correct. I read an article recently wherein a county public health director, a medical doctor, made the statement "All nicotine comes from tobacco." That's the level of ignorance we're dealing with here, where medical professionals, charged with shaping public health policy, don't even know that nicotine is a common alkaloid that exists in the bloodstream of every human being who eats a normal diet.

 

[stevegmu]

No, because to my knowledge, there isn't yet a cost-effective method for extracting nicotine base from anything except tobacco. I do recall reading about a couple of e-liquid vendors that use nicotine extracted from eggplant and chili peppers, but I have no recollection of what the brand names are, and I imagine the prices would be too prohibitive at this stage to make them significant players in the market.

But that's not really the point. The point is that the widely-held perception that "nicotine" and "tobacco" are synonymous terms just isn't correct. I read an article recently wherein a county public health director, a medical doctor, made the statement "All nicotine comes from tobacco." That's the level of ignorance we're dealing with here, where medical professionals, charged with shaping public health policy, don't even know that nicotine is a common alkaloid that exists in the bloodstream of every human being who eats a normal diet.

Nicotine, as it is available, is extracted from tobacco, making it a tobacco product. You may want to do some research regarding how many eggplants and tomatoes one would need to eat in order to get any significant amount of nicotine...

Can you provide a link to the article?

 

[Nate760]

Nicotine, as it is available, is extracted from tobacco, making it a tobacco product.

No, that's not correct. Nicotine can be extracted from any number of sources. Just because one of those sources is currently the most cost-effective, and thus the most commercially viable option, does not make the statement "nicotine is a tobacco product" accurate, any more than "caffeine is most easily extracted from coffee beans, therefore caffeine is a coffee product" is accurate.

 

[stevegmu]

No, that's not correct. Nicotine can be extracted from any number of sources. Just because one of those sources is currently the most cost-effective, and thus the most commercially viable option, does not make the statement "nicotine is a tobacco product" accurate, any more than "caffeine is most easily extracted from coffee beans, therefore caffeine is a coffee product" is accurate.

I said as it is available, it is a tobacco product, as no one is selling it from any source other than tobacco. You do realize it doesn't matter, as legislation is concerned, as the government sees nic as a tobacco product...
Can you provide a link to a vendor selling non tobacco extracted nicotine?

 

[Nate760]

Can you provide a link to a vendor selling non tobacco extracted nicotine?

You already asked this question and I already answered it.

 

[jpargana]

I said as it is available, it is a tobacco product, as no one is selling it from any source other than tobacco. You do realize it doesn't matter, as legislation is concerned, as the government sees nic as a tobacco product...
Can you provide a link to a vendor selling non tobacco extracted nicotine?

Well, sorry, but I must disagree:

1) All Pharma NRT's have nicotine in them. As far as as legislation is concerned, they are NOT considered 'tobacco products', because there is no tobacco in them.

2) Potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant... they all have nicotine in them. In fact, noboby tests actually ZERO for cotinine, since nicotine is a normal ingredient in our diet. It is, in fact, a precursor for B3 vitamin (Nicotinic acid). If tobacco was the only source, people would actually be forced to smoke to get their necessary nicotine intake. Again, as far as as legislation is concerned, 'healthy' foods, like vegetables, are not considered tobacco products - no tobacco in them.

The fact that the new european TPD managed to sneak e-cigarettes (a product that has no tobacco in them, and can actually have no nicotine at all) in a set of regulations concerning 'tobacco' products, is nothing related to proper science or logic - money, lost revenues, and protecting 'big money' was the motive...