What is the point?

[Danrogers]

One must remember there are a lot of people who vape and don't belong to a forum, I would suspect they are in the majority. For some it is a hobby for others a competition, for many just a way to stay away from smoking. I bought a Reo recently, some might say it was an expensive purchase. But now I make my own coils and diy my own unflavoured ejuice, my habit is now costing me less than a coffee per month. I say we are all different and whatever keeps us all off the dreaded cigs that is a good thing!

 

[Bunnykiller]

For health issue i guess. vape is cleaner compare to nic. and after 20 years of nic..body start to be falling apart.

if you are still vaping juice with nic, then what?? is it still cleaner?

 

[Bunnykiller]

It perplexes me how many times I have read people post that without sub-ohm/high watt devices they never would have quit smoking. What about all of us who quit before that sort of equipment was available?

ummm we never really quit I suppose
you can only "truely" quit when subbin and cloudin

 

[Racehorse]

It perplexes me how many times I have read people post that without sub-ohm/high watt devices they never would have quit smoking. What about all of us who quit before that sort of equipment was available?

I was just going to post the EXACT SAME THING!

When I started the ego twist was a game changer, and just making it's way onto the shelves.

It's okay to want different / better stuff. The thing is that the marketing is "creating" customers for itself, after all, that's how you get people to SPEND MONEY.

I really don't care how others spend theirs though.

but as somebody already said, most of the vaping public is not even on a vaping forum. And, I am always suprised by the sheer number of people right here who I come across who tell me they've been vaping for 4-5 years and still using egos.......or even little 510 joyetechs.

They just don't post about it because......well........there's nothing to say. They are happily vaping along with what they like, and not spending GOBS of $$ doing it.

to the OP: Just buy something in your budget and enjoy.

Where I live you can buy an acre or 2 of land amidst the national forests for what some people spend on vape gear, so I am always just saving to buy the parcel next to me....or behind me. They aren't making any more new land, so it's a good investment.

 

[dissidentdreamr]

Tl; dr: To each their own!

Long version: I can understand what you mean, to some extend. But, for me, the quest for the better mod, the denser cloud, the yummier taste all seem to stem from the fact that it has something ritualistic about it. I am an ex-stoner (clean for over 3 years now), and as of recently, an ex-smoker. I honestly wish I had know about vaping when I quit smoking the happy cigs 3 years ago, because it would have been easier, or so I'd like to think. It keeps me busy, reading up, seeing what other people do, and gets me out of my shell.

I could have stuck to my penstyle supermarket-bought ecig, true, but I suspect I would not have made it without the analogs if I had not upgraded to my IStick(s, by now). Yes, I suffer from shinyitis, but I am a passionate person, in everything I do. I also seem to suffer from vaper's europhoria, it makes me happy when I can play with a new toy, it takes my mind off of the craving for analogs and other "bad" habits, it keeps me sane, somehow. I may not be saving a lot of money, but I am saving my health, I am sparing my environment the stench and second hand smoke. And for someone who suffers from severe social anxiety, having my toy with me is a great conversation starter. Where I live, vaping is not that common yet, at least regarding MODs or bigger clouds, so the attention I get may be uncomfortable, but it also forces me to interact with people, rather than always blending in the background. I am not an attention seeker, mind me, it's just that I noticed that vaping took me out of the background against my will, and this interaction helps me get more confidence.
I am speaking for myself, and I do sometimes think that some people overdo it, but then, who am I to judge?

 

[rennsport911]

The bigger devices offer customisation which is fun, but also stronger vape and battery life. Plus they look cool!

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

This isn't really to start a major threat. I just have to make my 5 posts so I can reply and question elsewhere on other threads.

But here is my question. What really is the point in upgrading to the expensive mods? Everyone on the forum and everywhere else keeps throwing around words like "upgrade" and "next step". They act like if you have been vaping for more than 2 months then you HAVE TO upgrade your gear like life is some competition for who has the best mod, or it world like some RPG where you have to keep going to the next better thing or you're just not going to make it. Ok if you are into the competition stuff to see who can puff the biggest cloud. Fine that's what you're into and I can see how you might want to stay on top of what stuff works better for that.

But for me it isn't about being a fanboy of "authentic" equipment, or being some sort of loyal stooge to the local vaping community hanging out in the vapor shop talking about the latest piece of pointless metal that I just dropped 300 bucks on and pretending that it works any better than the one I got a week ago for 275. I got into this because e-juice is cheaper than buying 3 packs of smokes a day at 9 bucks a pack. So I'm certainly not going to spend 300 dollars, 200 dollars or even 100 dollars on something just to puff vapor. I don't even like the idea of spending 40-50. So why does everyone seem to think that if you're not keeping up with what the next guy has then you;re just not a serious vaper. That's like saying that if you're not spending 200 a week on cigarettes then you're not a serious smoker. And if you really want to be serious you need to "upgrade" to fine cogniac dipped hand rolled cuban cigars for 150 dollars a piece. Or maybe get into artisan limited run pipe tobacco for 1500 dollars an ounce and smoke it in a 250,000 dollar anteaque ivory and 24 karat gold pipe.
Let's get real. If my ego type battery and cheap single coil plastic atomizer satisfies me, then that's my business. I'm getting sick of asking a decent battery that lasts longer than 4 hours on a charge, and having people point me toward a 40-60 dollar box that doesn't support any of my other stuff to go with it, so I'll end up having to get a whole new setup and still pay 100 bucks I can't afford. As for the mods. the only advantage I see is that the battery is removable, so when it fails to hold a charge I just get another battery. But then I still have to buy the expensive charger, and expensive spare batteries. Yes for me 30 bucks for a battery charger and 30 bucks a pop for batteries is way too expensive. I got in this to save money. Not spend the same amount of money on toys to play with. Especially when you have the "authentic" fanboys on one side telling you that if you buy anything but an authentic you will regret it when it breaks in a week. Or that some tiny issue like the button rattling because it doesn't fit as snug is just such a major game ender for buying the cheap knock off. And then on the other side of the equation people saying the clones are just as good if not sometimes better. In the end I don't know who to believe and I don't have thousands of dollars to buy one of everything and compare on my own. Besides that all the vapor shops around here are two categories. Authentic only and you can't get anything less than 100 bucks. And the ejuice cost 15 bucks for the cheapest stuff, and only goes up from there for a little 10ml bottle that will last me about a week.
Or the generic smoke shop type places that don't sell anything but the clone knockoffs and sure they are less than the authentics but still 2 to 3 times what you can buy it online for. And their ejuice stinks, tastes bad, and still costs anywhere from 7-10 dollars for a 15ml bottle. If I listen to the people online and only buy the most expensive stuff cause it "supports the little guy" then I would be spending more than what I spent on cigarettes.
I hate to sound self centered but I got into this to help myself. Screw the little guy, and screw supporting america when america won't support itself. 95% of everything we buy here is made in china anyway all the american companies outsource to china. No matter what you do china gets a slice of the pie somehow. The only difference is that instead of directly supporting a chinese company you are supporting a greedy american company that outsorces all it's manufacturing to china so that it can put the markup into it's own pocket and charge you twice as much for the same chinese made stuff.
As far as this rant goes I have been looking for a variable voltage battery at a reasonable price without buying a clone and I can't do it. I have searched the web and ebay and amazon and everywhere else for weeks and all I am finding are clones. Even the ones claiming to be authentic turn out to be clones when you really look into it. Vision's own website has pictures for what is different from the clone to the original, and then when you click on their own products the pictures show the same white lettering and miss spaced voltage markings. Their own pictures look exactly like the pictures of the clones and don't even look like their picture of what the original should look like on their how to tell the difference page.
From what I can tell the only differences between the originals and the clones are tiny little nit picky things like what color the letters should be, or this dial marker is a little higher up on the battery. All the reviews I seen of the originals have the same issues as the clones and aren't made any better at all.

Lets stop being fanboys here and talk about what is important. Not smoking death sticks AKA cigarettes, and start giving people encentive to not smoke them. If I knew I would be spending hundreds of dollars just to get a vaping setup I would have just bought a couple cartons of smokes and called it a day. At least with those I don't have to hear a bunch of stuff about "clones vs authentics", and "vaping on the next level" like everyone who's into this just got into it so they could blow the biggest cloud, or brag about how expensive their toys are. I just want a cheaper healthier way to get my nicotine fix. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hi Fire,
One of the best "posts" I have ever read on ECF, and I've read thousands.
If you would like, "like" and I will be more than happy to come back and help you to do this as cheaply as possible.

 

[WillyZee]

Where I live you can buy an acre or 2 of land amidst the national forests for what some people spend on vape gear, so I am always just saving to buy the parcel next to me....or behind me. They aren't making any more new land, so it's a good investment.

thank goodness someone is buying cheap Vape Land for everyone to retreat to incase things go really south

have you started building the Nicotine Storage Tanks yet?

 

[Jimi D.]

Well, I believe my excessive spending is great for this wonderful industry. If we didn't like big vapor. Big Tobacco would take over selling eGo's

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

Well, I believe my excessive spending is great for this wonderful industry. If we didn't like big vapor. Big Tobacco would take over selling eGo's

Very interesting post Jimi. While that is true, that excessive spending, know that the "fall" hasn't happened YET - but it is getting very close.
On a happier note, wouldn't it be nice if Big Tobacco did and started making them in North America. It is possible to do and still make a profit, IMHO.

Tesla says Nevada battery plant on track despite report of delay| Reuters

 

[Pixelhobo]

You'll have to understand it from multiple points of view on the "upgrade". Some people use ecigs as a new hobby now and as some hobbyists, you'll see some spend some serious money into it and some not so much. Also you have different types of hobbyists, some go for clouds, some flavor, some a bit of both. In this hobby, each is looking for that special something for them. Some think they were born fog machines, others like to flash a hard to get setup and go "Nah nah nah nah nah". And as with any hobby, a lot of people loose sight of why we're in this hobby, to stay away from cigarettes, and form cliques and squabble among ourselves over whatever each clique feels is inferior to them.

And when everyone is in upgrade mode, new devices get pumped out. Which leads to people coming to places like this to see how they perform, and then you'll have a few people that are knowledgeable come forth and be a beacon of glory to the masses. And these people will make video reviews on YouTube to make the big bucks, free devices, and their own juice lines. And since they have juice lines they want you to subohm your rocks off so you buy their juice so they can buy that home they always wanted and retire happily ever after.

Amirite? =D

 

[ravnhaus]

Damn these internet forums!
First it was pipes and pipe tobacco. I have a huge drawer full of briar and latakia.
Then came mountain bikes and motorcycles. I need more garage space.
Stay off of photographic forums. They will cost you a lot of money.
Then came the guitar forums... talk about financial drain.
And now I am delving into vaping. So many choices and such fun it is.
Find what you like and don't worry about hipsters blowing clouds on esoteric equipment.
It is all better than supporting the Tobacco Industry and their poisoned products.
Find the vapor of choice, take a good hit and send a cloud of freedom to the air!

 

[Rossum]

BTDT. Motorcycle forums, gun forums, wristwatch forums. Vape gear, even the high-end stuff, is cheap by comparison.

 

[Super Flex]

Welcome. Just do you, it's all about not smoking, don't worry about the next person just do you.

 

[mauricem00]

This isn't really to start a major threat. I just have to make my 5 posts so I can reply and question elsewhere on other threads.

But here is my question. What really is the point in upgrading to the expensive mods? Everyone on the forum and everywhere else keeps throwing around words like "upgrade" and "next step". They act like if you have been vaping for more than 2 months then you HAVE TO upgrade your gear like life is some competition for who has the best mod, or it world like some RPG where you have to keep going to the next better thing or you're just not going to make it. Ok if you are into the competition stuff to see who can puff the biggest cloud. Fine that's what you're into and I can see how you might want to stay on top of what stuff works better for that.

But for me it isn't about being a fanboy of "authentic" equipment, or being some sort of loyal stooge to the local vaping community hanging out in the vapor shop talking about the latest piece of pointless metal that I just dropped 300 bucks on and pretending that it works any better than the one I got a week ago for 275. I got into this because e-juice is cheaper than buying 3 packs of smokes a day at 9 bucks a pack. So I'm certainly not going to spend 300 dollars, 200 dollars or even 100 dollars on something just to puff vapor. I don't even like the idea of spending 40-50. So why does everyone seem to think that if you're not keeping up with what the next guy has then you;re just not a serious vaper. That's like saying that if you're not spending 200 a week on cigarettes then you're not a serious smoker. And if you really want to be serious you need to "upgrade" to fine cogniac dipped hand rolled cuban cigars for 150 dollars a piece. Or maybe get into artisan limited run pipe tobacco for 1500 dollars an ounce and smoke it in a 250,000 dollar anteaque ivory and 24 karat gold pipe.
Let's get real. If my ego type battery and cheap single coil plastic atomizer satisfies me, then that's my business. I'm getting sick of asking a decent battery that lasts longer than 4 hours on a charge, and having people point me toward a 40-60 dollar box that doesn't support any of my other stuff to go with it, so I'll end up having to get a whole new setup and still pay 100 bucks I can't afford. As for the mods. the only advantage I see is that the battery is removable, so when it fails to hold a charge I just get another battery. But then I still have to buy the expensive charger, and expensive spare batteries. Yes for me 30 bucks for a battery charger and 30 bucks a pop for batteries is way too expensive. I got in this to save money. Not spend the same amount of money on toys to play with. Especially when you have the "authentic" fanboys on one side telling you that if you buy anything but an authentic you will regret it when it breaks in a week. Or that some tiny issue like the button rattling because it doesn't fit as snug is just such a major game ender for buying the cheap knock off. And then on the other side of the equation people saying the clones are just as good if not sometimes better. In the end I don't know who to believe and I don't have thousands of dollars to buy one of everything and compare on my own. Besides that all the vapor shops around here are two categories. Authentic only and you can't get anything less than 100 bucks. And the ejuice cost 15 bucks for the cheapest stuff, and only goes up from there for a little 10ml bottle that will last me about a week.
Or the generic smoke shop type places that don't sell anything but the clone knockoffs and sure they are less than the authentics but still 2 to 3 times what you can buy it online for. And their ejuice stinks, tastes bad, and still costs anywhere from 7-10 dollars for a 15ml bottle. If I listen to the people online and only buy the most expensive stuff cause it "supports the little guy" then I would be spending more than what I spent on cigarettes.
I hate to sound self centered but I got into this to help myself. Screw the little guy, and screw supporting america when america won't support itself. 95% of everything we buy here is made in china anyway all the american companies outsource to china. No matter what you do china gets a slice of the pie somehow. The only difference is that instead of directly supporting a chinese company you are supporting a greedy american company that outsorces all it's manufacturing to china so that it can put the markup into it's own pocket and charge you twice as much for the same chinese made stuff.
As far as this rant goes I have been looking for a variable voltage battery at a reasonable price without buying a clone and I can't do it. I have searched the web and ebay and amazon and everywhere else for weeks and all I am finding are clones. Even the ones claiming to be authentic turn out to be clones when you really look into it. Vision's own website has pictures for what is different from the clone to the original, and then when you click on their own products the pictures show the same white lettering and miss spaced voltage markings. Their own pictures look exactly like the pictures of the clones and don't even look like their picture of what the original should look like on their how to tell the difference page.
From what I can tell the only differences between the originals and the clones are tiny little nit picky things like what color the letters should be, or this dial marker is a little higher up on the battery. All the reviews I seen of the originals have the same issues as the clones and aren't made any better at all.

Lets stop being fanboys here and talk about what is important. Not smoking death sticks AKA cigarettes, and start giving people encentive to not smoke them. If I knew I would be spending hundreds of dollars just to get a vaping setup I would have just bought a couple cartons of smokes and called it a day. At least with those I don't have to hear a bunch of stuff about "clones vs authentics", and "vaping on the next level" like everyone who's into this just got into it so they could blow the biggest cloud, or brag about how expensive their toys are. I just want a cheaper healthier way to get my nicotine fix. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

very well said. I think your opinion represents that of most vapors.if you find something you like and it keeps you off tobacco than you have no need to "upgrade" i've been vaping and tobacco free and have a drawer full of "upgrades" that I never use.thanks to fastech I have not invested a great deal in equipment but if your happy with what you have then there is no need to get the latest fancy gadget

 

[lilparis47]

I absolutely love you. You share the exact same opinion that I do on vaping. There's a local vape shop about 2 miles from my house that opened about a year ago. At first I was using a pen vape, but I did get suckered into big boxes as they allured me with their glistening clouds. But that really was what I personally needed to quit the ciggies, however I absolutely hate 90% of employees at all of the vape shops I've been to. The setup I have and have been using for ages is the eleaf 50 watt, and the subtank (with uplated coils. I don't plan on upgrading or anything until I use up every last bit of .... it has to offer. Yet with this "cheap regulated device and tank" I am unable to communicate with the vape shop's employees as they sit back in their chairs and ignore me as they drip their rda and tinker with the finish on their authentic 250$ metal tube. They always respond to me with an elitist attitude and try to tell me the only way to go is by getting an unregulated mod and build coils and consume a 30ml bottle a day on juice. They always act like "yeah your clouds are like kinda okay but don't come crying to me when your cheap computer box shorts out in a week" when I've been using it for about a year with zero issues. I don't want to get into all that ..... I want to vape something convenient and get my nic fix. I drive for a living. Then they retaliate "well you can always get one that makes serious clouds to vape when you're at home and just chilling" but what's the point?? I personally don't even vape inside because ever since I've gotten into sub-ohming, it makes my house smell like .... days after I vape. A permanent smell, very reminiscent of a smokers home except blueberry cheesecake scented.

I just don't understand. Why can't this just be a universal community that respects one another regardless of their decisions. Vaping has become a big dick measuring contest and a way for arrogant ...... to pick on the little guys. We should all just get along and understand that: vaping is vaping and vaping isn't smoking; so we're all winners.

 

[Vape Morgan]

Hi Fire_Lizard! I'm new here as well You have certainly put a lot of thought into your post, and I thought I would give my best refection upon what you wrote.

This isn't really to start a major threat. I just have to make my 5 posts so I can reply and question elsewhere on other threads.

But here is my question. What really is the point in upgrading to the expensive mods? Everyone on the forum and everywhere else keeps throwing around words like "upgrade" and "next step". They act like if you have been vaping for more than 2 months then you HAVE TO upgrade your gear like life is some competition for who has the best mod, or it world like some RPG where you have to keep going to the next better thing or you're just not going to make it. Ok if you are into the competition stuff to see who can puff the biggest cloud. Fine that's what you're into and I can see how you might want to stay on top of what stuff works better for that.

I think it is a combination of the social aspect that is inherent within the original smoking habit, and the natural tendency to move upward in watts and vape at ever higher heat levels as we progress. I find my watt meter creeping up as time goes on myself. As for the social aspect, we seek support and acceptance, and, when we go out we wear the best we can, in many ways some mods are what we wear!

But for me it isn't about being a fanboy of "authentic" equipment, or being some sort of loyal stooge to the local vaping community hanging out in the vapor shop talking about the latest piece of pointless metal that I just dropped 300 bucks on and pretending that it works any better than the one I got a week ago for 275. I got into this because e-juice is cheaper than buying 3 packs of smokes a day at 9 bucks a pack. So I'm certainly not going to spend 300 dollars, 200 dollars or even 100 dollars on something just to puff vapor. I don't even like the idea of spending 40-50. So why does everyone seem to think that if you're not keeping up with what the next guy has then you;re just not a serious vaper. That's like saying that if you're not spending 200 a week on cigarettes then you're not a serious smoker. And if you really want to be serious you need to "upgrade" to fine cogniac dipped hand rolled cuban cigars for 150 dollars a piece. Or maybe get into artisan limited run pipe tobacco for 1500 dollars an ounce and smoke it in a 250,000 dollar anteaque ivory and 24 karat gold pipe.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'm typing this on a water cooled PC that I built myself. I am a technophile and infernal tinkerer. I have always been that way, and cannot figure out how I haven't electrocuted myself stone dead by now with my hobbies.

Look back at some reviews from respected reviewers such as RipTrippers. Just a few years ago he was reviewing little bitty pens and exclaiming how impressive their cotton ball puff clouds were! Technology is moving extremely fast, and it is exciting to experience the newest flavor or sensory aspects the technology provide!

Let's get real. If my ego type battery and cheap single coil plastic atomizer satisfies me, then that's my business. I'm getting sick of asking a decent battery that lasts longer than 4 hours on a charge, and having people point me toward a 40-60 dollar box that doesn't support any of my other stuff to go with it, so I'll end up having to get a whole new setup and still pay 100 bucks I can't afford. As for the mods. the only advantage I see is that the battery is removable, so when it fails to hold a charge I just get another battery. But then I still have to buy the expensive charger, and expensive spare batteries. Yes for me 30 bucks for a battery charger and 30 bucks a pop for batteries is way too expensive. I got in this to save money. Not spend the same amount of money on toys to play with.

I know a lot of people that are still on their ego pens having quit years ago. As with all things the newest offerings are always expensive and risky.

Especially when you have the "authentic" fanboys on one side telling you that if you buy anything but an authentic you will regret it when it breaks in a week. Or that some tiny issue like the button rattling because it doesn't fit as snug is just such a major game ender for buying the cheap knock off. And then on the other side of the equation people saying the clones are just as good if not sometimes better. In the end I don't know who to believe and I don't have thousands of dollars to buy one of everything and compare on my own. Besides that all the vapor shops around here are two categories. Authentic only and you can't get anything less than 100 bucks. And the ejuice cost 15 bucks for the cheapest stuff, and only goes up from there for a little 10ml bottle that will last me about a week.

That is the free market at work. It will eventually stabilize. The stores that provide what it's customers want at a price they are willing to pay will survive.

Or the generic smoke shop type places that don't sell anything but the clone knockoffs and sure they are less than the authentics but still 2 to 3 times what you can buy it online for. And their ejuice stinks, tastes bad, and still costs anywhere from 7-10 dollars for a 15ml bottle. If I listen to the people online and only buy the most expensive stuff cause it "supports the little guy" then I would be spending more than what I spent on cigarettes.

If you made your own e juice you'd be spending far less than on cigarettes.

I hate to sound self centered but I got into this to help myself. Screw the little guy, and screw supporting america when america won't support itself. 95% of everything we buy here is made in china anyway all the american companies outsource to china. No matter what you do china gets a slice of the pie somehow. The only difference is that instead of directly supporting a chinese company you are supporting a greedy american company that outsorces all it's manufacturing to china so that it can put the markup into it's own pocket and charge you twice as much for the same chinese made stuff.

Yet, we keep voting in globalists from either party, go figure. Do you vote?

As far as this rant goes I have been looking for a variable voltage battery at a reasonable price without buying a clone and I can't do it. I have searched the web and ebay and amazon and everywhere else for weeks and all I am finding are clones. Even the ones claiming to be authentic turn out to be clones when you really look into it. Vision's own website has pictures for what is different from the clone to the original, and then when you click on their own products the pictures show the same white lettering and miss spaced voltage markings. Their own pictures look exactly like the pictures of the clones and don't even look like their picture of what the original should look like on their how to tell the difference page.


From what I can tell the only differences between the originals and the clones are tiny little nit picky things like what color the letters should be, or this dial marker is a little higher up on the battery. All the reviews I seen of the originals have the same issues as the clones and aren't made any better at all.

Yea, the batteries market is abysmal and rife with fakes. Tariffs and government doing it's job eh? Big Lou East Coast review has an excellent tutorial on buying batteries and avoiding fakes:



GrimmGreen.com — Real VS Fake Sony batteries...

Lets stop being fanboys here and talk about what is important. Not smoking death sticks AKA cigarettes, and start giving people encentive to not smoke them. If I knew I would be spending hundreds of dollars just to get a vaping setup I would have just bought a couple cartons of smokes and called it a day. At least with those I don't have to hear a bunch of stuff about "clones vs authentics", and "vaping on the next level" like everyone who's into this just got into it so they could blow the biggest cloud, or brag about how expensive their toys are. I just want a cheaper healthier way to get my nicotine fix. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yet the excitement and debate is the incentive for many people to stay focused and off the cigarettes. Exactly what you are not liking is exactly what gives many the energy and involvement they need to be successful.

 

[mcclintock]

Yes the "serious vapers" say all that, but not everybody. Frankly I would find carrying "The One Mod to Rule Them All" rather lacking. Without multiple tanks, there is no way to cleanly switch to totally different flavors. Without different types of atomizers, there are limits to what juices work well. And 2 of even the cheapest battery units are more reliable due to redundancy than one Provari, as well as being better to use multiple tanks on.

I remember when I started, you couldn't read a juice description or a atomizer review without mention of "great throat hit". Now I hardly see it mentioned. And most of these serious vapers stick to fruity or creamy concoctions instead of anything with any bite. Most of them have never tried a NET tobacco flavor -- is that Serious or is that Lame?

I do wonder if better hardware would have sped my transition to vaping, as many have said it did. However I've found most of the stuff considered better to actually be dissappointing. I still haven't been able to try a lot of what's out there, but the evidence is that being able to throw money at the problem would have mostly increased the speed at which I found out what I do NOT like. I wonder how much the better gear is more effective because of what it does, or if it's just more impressive. I know I sometimes want to play a game on my fancy PC or game machine because it's a cool machine, not because I was thinking about playing a game.

As to China, they get some of my money but not a lot, and they have to work hard for that.

While that looks like mostly DIY flavoring, I presume one meaning of this post is it's about the juices, not the shiny hardware. Mostly agree. Or you're saying make your own and stay away from the vape shop. I still kind of like going in them but it's just not as pleasing as it seems it should be.

 

[JUDGMENT AFFIRMED]

I just don't understand. Why can't this just be a universal community that respects one another regardless of their decisions. Vaping has become a big dick measuring contest and a way for arrogant ...... to pick on the little guys. We should all just get along and understand that: vaping is vaping and vaping isn't smoking; so we're all winners.

Hi lilparis47, Don't be discouraged, just realize its human nature. Vaping is now big money and the salesman and marketers are everywhere but we will win. Good luck to you.

 

[Boden]

I just don't see how anyone can resist the never ending search for the ultimate Vape. I'm already past what's available so built my own Mega Mod, ten 100W mods wired in parallel for a total of 1 kilowatt of vaping power. Wear it in a backpack wired to a 2 inch homemade SS tank with three quad coil heads and a 1/2 inch galvanized pipe for a drip tip. If you see a cloud drifting down the street say hello.

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