Whats your method for mixing new flavor combinations?

[DcMagic]

So I have about 29 flavors and more on the way. I am trying to figure out how come up with sort of a system to try and create and test out new flavor combinations.

The only idea I can think of is as fallows:

1) Make a 5ml bottle of each flavor separately, so not only can I vape and get a taste for each flavor, but also take an empty 3ml bottle, and put a few drops of each flavor in it, to try and come up with a good combination, set up 5-6 of the 3ml bottles in a row, put a couple drops of whatever I want my base flavor to be, then in each bottle I put in a 2nd flavor, and a different one that I think might mesh well in each bottle, once I find the combination of 2 or 3 flavors that works, then I line up 4-5 more bottles and figure out how many drops of each flavor works best.


Id love to hear how others go about this, and any thoughts or tips.

Thanks!

 

[DcMagic]

And for example, If I was looking at doing a banana and peanut butter mixture.. What is the best way to shoot for as a first test?

Making a banana base with a kick of peanut butter, or a PB base with a touch of banana or start with a 50/50 of each.

Any sort of "Starting Point" that is usually the best call?

 

[Harleybarbie]

I've subscribed to see what answers you get.
Good luck on your new hobby!

I've been mixing juices for about a year now and I've had luck both ways.
Sometimes I mix just 1 flavor and after a week or two I'll mix them together, a bit at a time...
Sometimes I mix lots of flavors together at once and they are ok too.
I haven't found a rigid recipe of what you should add more of as a base for like strawberries and cream cake.
It's good you bought a lot of flavors to start I did too, I wanted a little bit of everything to start I didn't know what I would like.
I'm also looking for something like flavor complement info. It has to exist somewhere...
Something like bartenders and cooks use to set off flavors.
Good luck!

 

[Harleybarbie]

Are you using a DIY juice calculator?

 

[Harleybarbie]

I like my juices kinda strong and I've read to mix your flavor percentage around 20%.
I've had the best luck doing that.

 

[dannyv45]

The issue I find with your drop method is that acceptable results will not be able to be reproduced. You really need to keep careful track of you measurements and percentages. Write them down then be able to reproduce it.

You need to learn how to work with ml's and percentages.

 

[Maurice Pudlo]

I just recently started buying a bunch of little 3ml testers for each flavor I have, I look up what folks use percentage wise and test the range using those 3ml testers to find what suits my liking most.

Mixing for me has become easier once I figured out what the flavors themselves taste like.

Any recipe you might think tastes good and has similar flavorings available can be your inspiration for a new flavor, I want to nail Balaklava so badly it hurts. So I'm looking into recipes and collecting flavorings to match.

Maurice

 

[Heabob]

And for example, If I was looking at doing a banana and peanut butter mixture.. What is the best way to shoot for as a first test?

Making a banana base with a kick of peanut butter, or a PB base with a touch of banana or start with a 50/50 of each.

Any sort of "Starting Point" that is usually the best call?

Due to each flavor brand being so variable it's hard to give a starting point for a Banana-Peanut Butter Recipe.
Once you get your flavors, mix up a batch of Banana and Peanut Butter separately, and when you get them how you like them, then mix the 2 together
in a different bottle at 2 to 1 or 1 to 2, or 50/50, etc.

 

[rowdyplace]

Read this lady's thread. Great information source for both approach as well as content.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/562336-my-diy-diary.html
--edited to correct link--
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/562336-my-diy-diary.html

 

[wallacecarey]

I do much the same as you. I start out making single flavors and adjust them to strength ect that I like. From there I taste and find the ones that stand alone well those I call base. Then as other base liquids are discovered I mix those together hoping for great things. My peanut butter banana is TFA peanut butter at 15% and Juicy Banana at 10% .5 EM and sweeten to taste. Then mix together at 50/50 nice juice. PG/VG and nick are your choice.

 

[eyerhere]

I just recently started buying a bunch of little 3ml testers for each flavor I have, I look up what folks use percentage wise and test the range using those 3ml testers to find what suits my liking most.

Mixing for me has become easier once I figured out what the flavors themselves taste like.

Any recipe you might think tastes good and has similar flavorings available can be your inspiration for a new flavor, I want to nail Balaklava so badly it hurts. So I'm looking into recipes and collecting flavorings to match.

Maurice

Sorry op about the thread jack
Maurice if you nail baklava you have got to share, and I will make sure you are elected king of vapeland

 

[Exchaner]

Does Baklava contain Cardamon? It has honey for sure.

 

[DcMagic]

i browsed though the comments, I read something about I need to be careful about my "drops"... I dont think I ever said I use drops, and I saw someone asked if I use a calculator. Yes. I do.

I use a calc, syringes, I measure exactly, and I adjust flavor strengths to my liking.

My main question was how do people go about testing and sort of coming up with a system when wanting to mix 2 or more flavors.

As of now I think I am going to stick with mixing up a 10ml bottle of every flavor by itself. And then use 3ml bottle to mix 2 or more flavors at different ratios.

So ill mix up 3-5 bottles at a time, 1 at 50/50 the next and 60/40, 70/30, 80/20 etc etc. and then vape each one and see which is the best mixture (And by 50/50 etc, I mean the percentage of each of the pre-made flavors in the 3ml testers)

That way I don't waste too much if they turn out un-vapeable. and I can get a good grasp on how each one tastes at different ratios.

However, I will look into bumping up the %age of my flavor strengths, I was originally mixing them at 10%, then bumped up to 15%, Ill try running a couple at 20% and see what that does.

Thanks for the help from the people that were on point

PS. No worries about the slight thread jack haha, On that note, if anyone has a recipe that matches MERLIN (Vanilla Custard) by Mid-Evil Vapes. PLEASE tell me!

Also looking for a good:

- Peanut Butter Banana

- Peach N Cinnamon ( There is a flavor by liquidXpress's indulgence line called "LUST" - That was my ultimate go-to falvor for years.


I also have these flavors and haven't found out what to do with them, If anyone knows a good mixture using any combo of these let me know

Here are a few:

Vanilla Swirl
Caramel
RY4
Bavarian Cream
Astol Parazine
Grahm cracker
Peach
Cantaloupe
Cinnamon spice (Not red hots)
Butterscotch
Toffy
Marshmallow
Cherry (the ones like you get in a coke)
Vanilla Custard
Chai
Banana Nut Bread
Honey
Malted Milk
Sweet Cream
Cheese Cake (Was nasty when I tried to mix it with the maraschino cherry)

I forgot the rest, But if you know of any good mixes with those flavors listed, would love to hear it!

Thanks!

 

[AzPlumber]

You've got the right idea. Find the percentage that works for each individual flavor first and then you can play around with mixing them together. Keep track of what % your adding to each mix so you can recreate the good ones.

When I get the urge to create I will take may single flavors and drip them together in an atomizer to see if they will even work well together. If I find two or three that work well I can then work out the percentage. Doing this I find it keeps down the number of failed mixes. Some flavors you think will be awesome when mixed together will not and some you never would consider turn out great. Some flavoring are a bit strange and you will find they cancel each other out and some enhance others.

 

[ToonTwnVapr]

For your list:

Try [Spiced Peach Cobbler] 50% Peach, 20% Graham, 20% Sweet Cream, 10% Chai

Also the Marshmallow is most likely Ethyl Maltol. So you can use it to enhance, mellow and sweeten some blends you are testing out.

It's tough to properly gauge flavors when then need to steep a while :/

Making samples of each flavor individually, like you are planning, would be best for recipe making.


It is a lot like cooking. Find a good strong base flavor and find which 'notes' accompany it best. Then adjust for sweet, sour and smoothness.

Good booze (that is not full of sugar) can add another element in. Works well for cutting viscosity of high VG blends too.

 

[williebb123]

heres a great list of flavor pairings from flowerpot
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/581927-chart-pairing-flavors-diy-recipes.html

 

[DcMagic]

Awesome guys! Thanks

 

[eyerhere]

The only problem with mixing pre mixed flavors is you throw off the % you just worked to get.
Example : mix 2 flavors 50/50 both made to 15% strength. Produces a final product with only 7:5% of each flavor, So it ends up tasting week to me.
I prefer mixing 5ml of 1 flavor and then addind drops of flavor 2 untill it taste good (or bad). Then use each drop as1%. Not exact but close enough.

 

[Pescondo]

For new mixes, I use the 3-2-1 method.....3% for the main flavor, 2% for the complimentary flavor, and 1% for the background note. Then adjust from there......works for me