Being the old man I am I remember in school I was taught smoking is a habit, drugs like ...... are addictive. Then we are taught the nicotine in smoking is addictive. I've seen definitions that have to be change and changes in attitudes about food we eat. I've been smoking at least 40 years and developed a smokers cough in the morning. When trying to quit I had a strong urge to smoke which I did sooner or latter. I began vaping at 18 mg nicotine, not much flavor if any but the nicotine in vaping let me stop picking up the pipe. I'm much more concerned with the flavor I get while vaping and never think about the nicotine.
When is it time to switch to lower nicotine ?
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Tbh when i started vaping i ended up noticing i was much more addicted to the hand action than the nicotine itself, proof of this imho is the fact i went from 15mg to 6 in a single month (granted i switched to sub 0hm but still), but that's not speaking for everyone ofc some are indeed addicted to the "calming"effect nicotine has on them, like a friend of mine is a "social smoker" she barely smoked but when she did, it was either because of the stress or because she was drinking with me (or smoking errr.....something else ?)Thus my statement "Only time will prove this true or false."
We are doing a disservice to all things if we base them on the fact that BT lied to us. The studies done on nicotine were done to see what the medicinal properties may prove to be. They were not conducted by a tobacco company although they were conducted by a pharmaceutical company and in most cases I trust them even less than I trust BT.
I do agree with stols001 about the hand to mouth action. I can see that becoming a habit over time. And like her, I would never suggest a never smoker take up nicotine but it is going to happen just like new smokers are born every day. I hope they take up vaping instead.
I have a relative that continues smoking tobacco although she has a vaporizer and a smokers cough, I think it is a social thing. Everyone pulls out a cigarette so you do, Maybe it's impolite to pull out a vaporizer, or go with the flow. I remember earlier days when the women would have a cigarette when in a group and afterwards say I don't inhale.
Since I'm a flavor chaser I think it may be related to eating but we are all different
Since I'm a flavor chaser I think it may be related to eating but we are all different
I was able to quit smoking a few times over the years, even a few years at a time, but it was those social situations that would make me fall off the wagon. If I was socializing, especially if I was drinking, and let myself "have a few" then I'd find myself smoking a pack a day again. Vaping allows me to be around those smoking people in social situations and have zero desire to join them (because what I have is better!).
I doubt it, even though i sub 0hm i consider myself more of a flavor chaser because that's the way i've been able to stay off cigs for all that time. Without my flavorfull vapes i'd probably would've went back to smoking tbh. But i do understand the social part of smoking, i had trouble too with it before,these days though i take a step back and keep on vaping because i can barely even stand the smell of smokes.
It's probably more that her device isn't working for her in some way
I'm around smokers all the time, whether socially or at home, and just because some or most or even all the smokers around me are smoking doesn't give me the urge to smoke nor a desire to hide the fact I vape.
I just plain don't care what others do or what they think, I do what I do because it's what works for me, what I like, and what is better (for my health, the way it tastes, etc).
In time however, I'm converting all those around me to vaping and have seen more and more of my family and friends quit smoking and vape instead. My brother in law used vaping to quit smoking and now no longer vapes either. My husband still dual uses, my son has quit smoking completely and vapes now, my sister in law has quit and switched to vaping, several of my friends have now quit smoking for the better option of vaping..
Since the more I vape around others and thus, the door is opened to me talking about vaping (everyone asks questions), the more they are taking it up and putting down the smokes. So there might be some "peer" pressure involved somewhere, but the influence if so, can definitely go either way if that's the case.
She just needs to find it both within herself and find an adequate device for her, and she can be the one to convert everyone around her.
I have never let others influence either my actions or my decisions though.. But there are reasons I'm that way and I have a very strong backbone in that regard which has nothing to do with vaping at all, but ends up affecting everything - like vaping.
Any peer related influence can go either way, the many can affect the one, or the one can affect the many. Just depends I guess on the people - if in fact we do influence one another.
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When I first started vaping I got little or no flavor but was at 18 mg nicotine, so it was the nicotine that let me stop using tobacco. I bought an Eleaf Pico with the melo tank which gave me some flavor and since then I'm a flavor chaser at 3 mg nicotine. We are all different and I'm not going to try to figure it out, no one has stopped because of me and probably won't till their smokers cough gets bad enough.
Same here....also been vaping about 7 years, 24mg around 1 ohm mtl and honestly it's never really crossed my mind to lower....I can see wanting to lower if you have a plan to quit vaping altogether in a couple years, but if you don't and feel like you will be vaping to the end, no point in lowering.
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I didn't have any problem cutting down, a few mg less nicotine didn't seem to bother me at all. I've been using 3 mg for at least a few months and it seems like it doesn't have any effect so why not and I'm at 3 mg. Don't know if I'll ever quit, one day at a time and if I do decide to quit it may be easier.
That's a very good answer. I never thought about it from your perspective.
I gotta say i am all over the place with the mg i vape. Some days i need 36mg and others i need 18mg. I can't seem to go lower then 18mg or i start feeling it. I have a couple of tanks sitting around ranging from 18mg,24mg and 36mg. I certainly would not know how to answer your question because i can't answer why i vary soo much with my nic. I think you have gotten some good advice here, just experiment. You may find you do just fine at a lower mg. I don't see me ever giving up nic myself, it's harmless (unless you have high blood pressure or circulation problems), but heck, if you were smoking and didn't have problems then you can find a safe level with vaping. It's all that other crap in cigs that concerns me more. I say that because i have a gene mutation that causes me to clot, it caused me to have a stroke years ago, yet i still vape nic with no problems. But all that other stuff in cigs like tar and plague buildup in your arteries concerns me far greater.
Well, there may be some cardiovascular system benefit to lowering nic. With that said, there are other studies showing that nic is good for the brain. I have ADHD and like many kids my age, wasn't diagnosed. I got by on my incredible intellect 
, well I got by anyway, even through my master's degree, I wasn't treated.
I do think that nic helped me focus, whenever I was working on papers I tended to chain-smoke, and though I do plan on seeing if lowering my nic some is easy or not, I doubt that I'd be cutting it out altogether....
Honestly, I decided for the most part that if I could *just* get to vaping alone, I would NOT be placing other undue demands on myself for the rest of my life w/r/t nicotine or anything else.... If it's easy to taper a bit, that's fine, but I have *no* plans on going to 0 nic ever, for the rest of my life, as to be frank with the type of smoker I was, I don't see any need to go any further than vaping, and pushing too far would probably end up with me returning to smoking.
It's funny, not a single person who *knows* me including my docs, inquire as to nic strength, or whether I plan on moving away from vaping. I usually get, "So, you're still vaping?????"
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, well I got by anyway, even through my master's degree, I wasn't treated.I do think that nic helped me focus, whenever I was working on papers I tended to chain-smoke, and though I do plan on seeing if lowering my nic some is easy or not, I doubt that I'd be cutting it out altogether....
Honestly, I decided for the most part that if I could *just* get to vaping alone, I would NOT be placing other undue demands on myself for the rest of my life w/r/t nicotine or anything else.... If it's easy to taper a bit, that's fine, but I have *no* plans on going to 0 nic ever, for the rest of my life, as to be frank with the type of smoker I was, I don't see any need to go any further than vaping, and pushing too far would probably end up with me returning to smoking.
It's funny, not a single person who *knows* me including my docs, inquire as to nic strength, or whether I plan on moving away from vaping. I usually get, "So, you're still vaping?????"
Anna
"Yes, because If I wasn't still vaping, I'd almost certainly be back to smoking!"
IMO, there are two things that should be considered when someone looks at reducing their nic:
1) Make darn sure a reduction doesn't tempt you to smoke instead. Keep some higher nic juice around in case you need it.
2) If cutting your nic strength in half results in you vaping twice as much juice, is that actually progress?
Yes, I plan to monitor my consumption if I do it. I may not do it next week, I noticed a slight lump in my lower jaw (thought it was one of my implants I was noticing... But, it has swelled to alarming proportions in the past couple weeks (I kept thinking it would go away, it didn't seem THAT nuts....) but when I showed the Husband he was full of "OMG, what's wrong with you, why did you let it get like that..."
Now, I'm thinking either one of the lower, buried implants got infected (they were due to be exposed in a few weeks
and then I would have everything finished) but NOW I think it's either an infection or some kind of tumor or something in my jaw.
I gotta call the oral surgeon Monday, which is probably when I'll find out, as he's pretty awesome about squeezing something like this in. BEST case, I'm going to have to have it removed, and probably some jaw reconstruction given the size of the lump (oh GOD, I hope it's not that, that's CRAZY expensive and I don't think I could do that one awake) OR it's some sort of tumor (GOD, I hope it's not that, but who knows? If it is I will just have to accept my just deserts from smoking all those years) but until I find out what it is or what's gonna happen on Monday, I have like, zero plans on reducing.... Now.
So, Rossum, you can add stress to the list. I generally would not consider reducing during high stress times... I still don't regret dentures at all, but this damn implant thing that is supposed to be so great? Well, my upper ones are hooked up and THAT is great, but it's been about 8 months longer than I though it would be and now this? I'm almost sorry I started... Almost.
Anna
Now, I'm thinking either one of the lower, buried implants got infected (they were due to be exposed in a few weeks
and then I would have everything finished) but NOW I think it's either an infection or some kind of tumor or something in my jaw.I gotta call the oral surgeon Monday, which is probably when I'll find out, as he's pretty awesome about squeezing something like this in. BEST case, I'm going to have to have it removed, and probably some jaw reconstruction given the size of the lump (oh GOD, I hope it's not that, that's CRAZY expensive and I don't think I could do that one awake) OR it's some sort of tumor (GOD, I hope it's not that, but who knows? If it is I will just have to accept my just deserts from smoking all those years) but until I find out what it is or what's gonna happen on Monday, I have like, zero plans on reducing.... Now.
So, Rossum, you can add stress to the list. I generally would not consider reducing during high stress times... I still don't regret dentures at all, but this damn implant thing that is supposed to be so great? Well, my upper ones are hooked up and THAT is great, but it's been about 8 months longer than I though it would be and now this? I'm almost sorry I started... Almost.
Anna
I'm number two for sure. I started vaping at 12mg. Tried cutting to 6 twice which caused me to vape 2+ times more with an occasional craving to boot. Decided to stay at 12. Been there almost four years now, not smoking, so I quit worrying about the nic level.
Yep. I started at 18, with occasional hits of 24. A month or two in, I figured I should try 12, but found it unsatisfying. So I mixed some of the 12 I'd bought with some 18 I still had to get 15, and since that seemed OK, I stuck with it for 2-1/2 years.
Now I'm trying to get down to 12. The approach I've taken is to cut my mix by 0.5 mg/ml every few months. I'm currently at 13, but it seems I am going through a bit more liquid that I was at 15. Equipment and vaping style has not changed, nor am I willing to change it. I do not think that cranking up the power or inhaling more deeply to compensate for a lower nic level has any health benefit at all. In fact, I'd speculate that the opposite is true.
I still vape 24mg juice after nearly 5 years. Started with an eGo kit, then a Nautilus, and MVP 20W (1.6 @ 12W)
Now I'm running a Cleito @ 0.4/55.
DON'T ask me for advice about lowering nic levels. Just listen to your body. It will tell you what to do.
FWIW My juice consumption has stayed fairly consistent @ 5-7 ml/day, even with the more advanced hardware.
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