When to Stock Up?

[Art02]

I am new to this and I kinda looked for threads on this subject, but when do I stock up on parts and supplies before everything becomes illegal or greatly taxed like cigarettes?

I realize that batteries will probably be legal for my lifetime and chargers.

I would imagine that the eGo style rechargeable/disposible batter would be illegal. And tubes with threads that attach to any tank. All that would be hard to get and hence more expensive.

I would imagine that the flavor would always be legal but harder to get and hence more expensive.

I know that Big Tobacco is trying to figure out a way to make all this e-cig stuff more expensive and hence more profittable. It won't work for them without if being much more expensive. And they will be working with the FDA for our protection. And many people will be happy when vaping is way more expensive for our safety. They saved us again. Thank god for people that look out for me.

And flavors like bubble gun and Captain Crunch bring underage vapers out in droves. We can't let the kids start vaping. If they want nicotine (and I am not sure why they would), they need to start with real live analog cigarettes. Not the light stuff. Camel non-filter.

So, I guess my question is ... when do we stock up while it is still cheap? How do we do it "smartly"?

According to my calculations, I used to spend $4000 per year on analogs and I now think $100 worth of juice will last me a year. Should I order another gallon just for the heck of it? 20 more Kanger Mini Protanks V2? 600 more 1.8 ohm atomizers? 8 more Vamo V5's? I imagine that paper towels and q-tips won't go up in price if e-cigs are regulated or illegal. Or hot water.

What is going to be hard to get?

We have switched from analogs to e-cigs to escape the taxes or to keep from dying. Or both. It is our little way of sticking it to the "man". But there is no way that non-smokers will give up their crusade and not lump us back into the "smoking" group and want to again tax us heavily for our own good (because you have to tax someone more so that others can pay less) (the good people) (not us - the "smokers").

That is my question. What do I stock up on to save money in the future? What should I do first? I would gladly spend $600 now and save $24,000 in the future. Or even $10,000.

 

[TheReign]

Not sure how to answer these questions really Lol. I don't think we will have to worry unless we do something about it now!

Joining the casaa organization is one way to start!

 

[revco]

Here's my take.

Big tobacco wants it to be regulated so they can control it since the smaller companies will never be able to afford competing. Big government wants to tax the heck out of it, eventually, but will have to prove it's harmful and therefore eligible for a sin tax. Big pharma wants to control it because it's taking away from their revenue in patches, gum and the like. They only need to control one thing...nicotine. That's the end game and all anyone should have to stock up on.

There should be advance notice, but the problem will be most of us vapers will be competing and stocks will deplete quickly. The other factor is that nicotine probably has a theoretical shelf life...so if it doesn't happen and you can't use all that nicotine, you've wasted your money. It's a tricky situation and hard to predict. Right now, I don't think there's any major movements going on with this front...most efforts right now are more towards banning it from being used in areas or trying to prevent online purchases in some areas like California. I think in order for the whole thing to come crumbling down, it's going to take some pretty serious studies that prove it's harmful...which frankly, isn't actually going on right now.

It probably will happen. But that's why I think it's important for EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US to join CASAA and sign up to get notifications in your area. We're a minority, will always be a minority...but if were a strong, well organized and loud minority with a motive to get political, we can hold our ground.

Oh, and P.S. If anyone's reading this and they like to blow big freaking clouds in public places, please just don't. That's one of the reasons they'll come after us...it's not about being "safe"...it's about being obnoxious in some cases.

 

[Myk]

IMO what you should be worried about now is fighting it. Join CASAA. The more members they have the less likely a ban will happen.

Nicotine is all you really need to stock up on and you're probably limited on how much of that you can keep. I accidentally bought 5 years worth and it's doubtful it keeps that long.
They can't ban flavors or even make them hard to get. You just need the knowledge of what food flavorings work.
They can't ban PG or VG.
They can't ban batteries.

They could try to ban ecig battery holders but mechs aren't hard to make. Plus you can slap a flashlight head on them and they become flashlights (someone already makes one of these).

Before anything comes down to ban or severely restrict at the federal level certain things have to take place. A good guess is that it would take at least a year for anything to be put into effect after intentions are announced. That's when the real fight starts. Lawsuits and laws could easily delay any action.
On local levels bans can happen faster but local bans are easier to get around. In my state a statewide ban would depend on how the law was written for how much time you had.

 

[BillyWJ]

I am new to this and I kinda looked for threads on this subject, but when do I stock up on parts and supplies before everything becomes illegal or greatly taxed like cigarettes?

I realize that batteries will probably be legal for my lifetime and chargers.

I would imagine that the eGo style rechargeable/disposible batter would be illegal. And tubes with threads that attach to any tank. All that would be hard to get and hence more expensive.

I would imagine that the flavor would always be legal but harder to get and hence more expensive.

I know that Big Tobacco is trying to figure out a way to make all this e-cig stuff more expensive and hence more profittable. It won't work for them without if being much more expensive. And they will be working with the FDA for our protection. And many people will be happy when vaping is way more expensive for our safety. They saved us again. Thank god for people that look out for me.

And flavors like bubble gun and Captain Crunch bring underage vapers out in droves. We can't let the kids start vaping. If they want nicotine (and I am not sure why they would), they need to start with real live analog cigarettes. Not the light stuff. Camel non-filter.

So, I guess my question is ... when do we stock up while it is still cheap? How do we do it "smartly"?

According to my calculations, I used to spend $4000 per year on analogs and I now think $100 worth of juice will last me a year. Should I order another gallon just for the heck of it? 20 more Kanger Mini Protanks V2? 600 more 1.8 ohm atomizers? 8 more Vamo V5's? I imagine that paper towels and q-tips won't go up in price if e-cigs are regulated or illegal. Or hot water.

What is going to be hard to get?

We have switched from analogs to e-cigs to escape the taxes or to keep from dying. Or both. It is our little way of sticking it to the "man". But there is no way that non-smokers will give up their crusade and not lump us back into the "smoking" group and want to again tax us heavily for our own good (because you have to tax someone more so that others can pay less) (the good people) (not us - the "smokers").

That is my question. What do I stock up on to save money in the future? What should I do first? I would gladly spend $600 now and save $24,000 in the future. Or even $10,000.

Nobody in my recollection is trying to make mods or batteries or even the toppers illegal - doing so would take some impossible legal gymnastics to accomplish.

The real battle is being fought over the liquids and the sale of nicotine, and online sales, and where people will be allowed to vape.

If you want to stock up, it's your choice, but I don't think we're there just quite yet, or even close. I think it may become more difficult to purchase online, but I don't see an outright ban on anything - the more people vape, the more likely outcome is it will be taxed heavily, and possibly some regulations put in place for the manufacturing of eliquid that will put the small shops out of business.

Keep in mind that the liquids don't have a long shelf life, even frozen. There is no way to "stock up" on liquid nicotine for any time frame past a year or two, if you're that paranoid and need nicotine in your life that badly, look into learning how to make your own extractions from cigars or pipe tobacco.

Personally, I've already decided that if things get that dire, I'll just quit nicotine completely. I'm thrilled that I can enjoy it by vaping, but going back to smoking or using Big Pharma's products is not an option anymore, and nicotine is not necessary for my survival that I need to hoard it.

 

[Requiem33]

I just skipped through all of the other posts... sorry. Stock when you can afford to with as many spares and juice as you can. It's not about bans it's about making sure you don't run out before the next vape-mail arrives.

 

[BillyWJ]

I just skipped through all of the other posts... sorry. Stock when you can afford to with as many spares and juice as you can. It's not about bans it's about making sure you don't run out before the next vape-mail arrives.

LOL. True, true.

I order or buy more of my ADV when I'm at the half bottle mark (I buy it 30ml at a time). That way, it's steeped by the time i run out, my two fave flavors take 5 to 6 days to steep.

One of them I'm getting VERY fond of (Alien Blood), I may order two. The company that makes it doesn't do 100ml bottles, or I would buy one. What they do is sell nicotine free "doublers' at a cheaper price, and then I guess I'd have to buy 36mg and cut it to get my preferred 24.

Screw it, I'll just get two 30mls.

 

[Talyon]

For reference please read the following thread.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/375029-nicotine-shelf-life.html

 

[bosun]

The only true thing that they will be able to control/tax excessively would be nicotine. I store mine in a chest freezer in the basement -- even the wife doesn't know what is in that freezer (g). Perhaps in the future I'll be vaping zero nic juices but I'm still stock piling 100mg nic. I recommend that you look up and read the cautions about handling that concentration! Learn how to build coils, find a few toppers that will last a long time (for examples look at an IGO L for a dripper, KFun clone for a tank), and a few PVs that are considered long-term dependable such as a Provari. It may be years before things get expensive due to a crazy increase in taxes BUT you never know. The RYO community was doing fine until tax on a pound of loose tobacco went from around $2.64/pound to $26.40/pound. About a six month warning. All of the companies making it either relabelled their product as 'pipe tobacco' or went out of business. Take care of yourself because no one else will! Just sayin' (G)..

 

[doctadrea]

Agreed with all of the above.
I think nicotine WILL be regulated and heavily taxed and controlled by Big Tobacco. It's just a matter of time. However, I don't think it's happening soon.
Building a mod is pretty simple, and I'm sure the more technically inclined of us out there will help out those who can't do it themselves. Same with wrapping coils for rebuildables. None of the things used to make a PV can be banned, and there's already a ton of us who know how to make them, so the hardware won't be an issue.
Flavorings, also can't be banned because on their own, they have nothing to do with vaping. Also PG and VG.
Nicotine will be more difficult. I used to order my cigarettes online internationally, and I'm sure that'll be an option.

 

[tj99959]

Originally Posted by Requiem33

I just skipped through all of the other posts... sorry. Stock when you can afford to with as many spares and juice as you can. It's not about bans it's about making sure you don't run out before the next vape-mail arrives.

Or Chinese New Year comes around again.

Cat's been out of the bag for a long time now, any high school kid can build a PV. The only liquid that might become hard to get is the nicotine base. Bans will not hurt the person that already know how to vape very much. It's the person that is still smoking, and wants to quit, that is going to be killed.

 

[VapieDan]

Or Chinese New Year comes around again.

Cat's been out of the bag for a long time now, any high school kid can build a PV. The only liquid that might become hard to get is the nicotine base. Bans will not hurt the person that already know how to vape very much. It's the person that is still smoking, and wants to quit, that is going to be killed.

I agree completely. They will hurt the future vapers and keep the cigarette smokers in check. Also forcing vapers to use smoking areas causes an increase risk to their health from by-standing smoke. Of course if the stats bear out an increase of smoking related illness with vapers in the future it can be blamed on vaping.

 

[Art02]

For reference please read the following thread.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/375029-nicotine-shelf-life.html

Thanks! Almost indefinately if stored in a colored glass bottle in the Freezer.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I have a liter of 100mg in 60ml amber glass jars in the freezer (I obviously DIY). Will feel better when I build it up to two. I wrap my own coils so I'm pretty well set. It's the new guys I feel sorry for. Big tobacco, big drug companies, and big government all have their agendas. I don't think they are going to be friendly to us

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Bramble]

Personally since there are two neighboring states not too far away, I feel pretty good that the vapocalypse won't happen soon. I am writing letters though. We should all speak up, and we should also vote out these people who go on moral crusades without any scientific evidence for their rationale.

That said, the two items below do worry me a little. If the government can't ban it, it will tax it because it is a sad creature that can't stand to see anyone have a good time. I also brew my own beer for the same reason (well and also because it's fun ).

What worries me about big tobacco is that they will start putting additives into the eLiquid to make people more addicted, no matter how dangerous those additives might be. That's how they operate. They do it with cigarettes and dip and whatever else they sell.

All told? I find myself over-buying eLiquid when I find a good price and flavor that I like. I do feel like I should stock up on it.

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I know that Big Tobacco is trying to figure out a way to make all this e-cig stuff more expensive and hence more profittable. [...]

 

[Art02]

Keep in mind that the liquids don't have a long shelf life, even frozen. There is no way to "stock up" on liquid nicotine for any time frame past a year or two, if you're that paranoid and need nicotine in your life that badly, look into learning how to make your own extractions from cigars or pipe tobacco.

Personally, I've already decided that if things get that dire, I'll just quit nicotine completely. I'm thrilled that I can enjoy it by vaping, but going back to smoking or using Big Pharma's products is not an option anymore, and nicotine is not necessary for my survival that I need to hoard it.

I smoked cigs for 38 years 2.5+ PAD. I spent $300+ per month. I easily quit cigs about a month ago. I am just so happy I can't spit.

My "plan" didn't include quitting cigs and then having e-cigs banned or taxed to death. My "plan" was to quit smoking cigs. And that was just days ago. I don't want anything to upset the apple cart.

We buy insurance to take the bumps out of life. We buy life insurance when we are young to insure that our wife and kids live the life that we planned on. To pay for the house and college in the event that something upsets the apple cart. We buy car insurance and pay for it monthly so that an accident doesn't set you back $20,000. It makes life less bumpy. More predictable.

To me, "hoarding" implies spending LARGE sums of money for a bunch of stuff that I will probably never use. And I am proud that you can give up nicotine the moment that things get dire. I am not there yet. Maybe next month. Based on my calculations, $300 would get me all the juice I can vape for about 3 years. In comparison, I have a $250 stainless steel skillet to cook steak or burgers and it was the BEST purchase I made in my life. AND, I haven't made a steak since I quit so I can't even begin to imagine how it will taste. And I make a great steak in a frying pan and then finish it in a 200 degF oven. One day I will share all the details with everyone. As for a burger, many will agree that a NY Strip is a good cut of meat. It makes a great steak. If you grind it up, it makes a great burger. Go figure.

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I am 57. I built my own house and it is paid for. I don't have a car payment. I don't owe anyone any money. I am a mechanical engineer and I have worked for the same company for 25 years. They pay me twice a month. When I am eating high on the hog, my favorite is Chipotle.

I don't mind paying for what I like. I got two gallons of whiskey (decent whisky). I am not going to run out of wine this year. I got 6 cases of beer in the garage (I love the winter).

Juice and spares. I agree with everyone. I think I am going to get 2 years worth soon and store in the freezer unopened.

I ordered more batteries (eFest 18350's). I think I got 6x18350 and 2x18650. And two Vamo V5 tubes (I think they are pretty nice (not great)) and an iTaste MVP V2 and 3 of those twist VV batteries (800, 1100 and 1300 mAhr)(and they all work great). I think I could last for a few years with what I have but I might need more batteries. I have 12-15 Kanger Protank Mini's V2 and a slew of replacement coils.

Does that perfectly describe my desire to have backups to backups with a few backups just in case? Without question, I don't want to run out of anything. Cigarettes are perfect. I never bought a pack of cigarettes that didn't work. If you are drinking beer in a canoe and try to pee off the back of the canoe thru the rapids and fall out into the water, you probably "broke" that pack of cigarettes but your lighter is probably still good. Maybe you can dry the cigs out near a camp fire?

And, in case anyone thinks I got too many batteries, I constantly have a pair of them lent out to smokers so they can try vaping for free. How cool is that? Two completely different batteries and 4 tanks and extra coils and a slew of juices. And if something breaks, I got more. And when you figure out what you want, give me my stuff back and I will lend it to someone else. So 5 years worth of juice is really nothing. I'll probably give 1/2 of it away. Just to give someone a chance. AND it will save them $100 wasted on junk even if they hate vaping. No harm no foul. At least you tried.

And finally, you can call ahead at 5-Guys for a burger. They make it in 7 minutes. I live 5 minutes from a 5-Guys. I start the car and call them and it is ready when I get there. That is very cool.