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Glad you are feeling better Jane :)

Chris......I would just tell him that it is his decision but since he doesn't smoke then he really needs to reconsider his decision. If he really does then I would give him a good vendor to go to. Just my opinion.....

Thanks for breakfast Ralph :wub:

Have a great day everyone!
 
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Thanks Ralph and Fudgey!

:)

I think we are going to face these and similar dilemmas on a pretty regular basis. I had a similar issue with one of my daughters, only she was a smoker already. Can't discuss the resolution here on ECF though. I did what I thought was best, and that is all I can do. It was a tough decision.
 
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Chris, if it was me, I would just explain to him that smoking is dangerous and vaping is a replacement for smoking. Both are a habit and he should consider his decision very carefully, before he takes up vaping.

I agree with the 0 nic juice.

I won't say "bad habit", because I enjoyed smoking and I enjoy vaping. I don't much care about society's opinion of either one.
 

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Vaping can't be good for your lungs. You're still inhaling stuff that you're not supposed to. Of course, breathing polluted air isn't good for them either, but that one is kind of unavoidable.

The worst thing about non-smokers taking up vaping is that it gives the politicians ammunition.

A lot of people like 901s but the only real advantage of letting him get a basic stock kit is that he might get frustrated with having to recharge it every hour and give up vaping. That said, I'd point him to a decent kit and good liquid. It's a question of "I don't recommend this and I think you should reconsider but, if you are going to start vaping, I can help you buy equipment that will work for you."
 

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Chris, humans get to make their own choices as long as they don't harm others. The best thing you can do is help make it an informed choice whether to try it or not.... nicotine is addictive but so is caffeine. Luckily for us, the tobacco combustion part that does the most harm to us (and supposedly can affect others) is not part of the vaping experience. The choice here is one where a person, because of the addictive attributes of nicotine (if they go with some level of nic), can give up some control of their body, for some pleasure. That and what Jane mentions as to taking any foreign substance into the lungs is the cost of that choice. The payoff is the pleasure of the flavors and imo, more importantly, the visual of the vapor....

I've always believed and experienced this connection between the smoke/vapor and contemplation. I think that's why many of us here have come to the conclusion - it isn't a hard one for those that have tried everything else and failed - that half the 'addiction' is the smoke/vapor. And we're not alone: (I've posted this before):

"I like to think of fire held in a man's hand. Fire, a dangerous force, tamed at his fingertips. I often wonder about the hours when a man sits alone, watching the smoke of a cigarette, thinking. I wonder what great things have come from such hours. When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind--and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression." Ayn Rand

Sherlock Holmes sat silent for a few minutes with his finger tips still pressed together, his legs stretched out in front of him and his gaze directed upwards to the ceiling. Then he took down from the rack the old and oily clay pipe, which was to him as a counselor, and, having it, he leaned back in his chair, with the thick blue cloud-wreaths spinning up from him, and a look of infinite languor in his face.

Holmes to Watson:
It is quite a three pipe problem, and I beg that you won't speak to me for fifty minutes.

Or, we can remember the case in which Holmes needed a pound of the strongest shag tobacco to resolve the problem and stayed alone all the day smoking, and Watson founded him in a sort of trance, in a room that "was so filled with the smoke that the light of the lamp upon the table was blurred by it, and my first impression as I opened the door was that a fire has broken out".
 

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Chris, humans get to make their own choices as long as they don't harm others. The best thing you can do is help make it an informed choice whether to try it or not.... nicotine is addictive but so is caffeine. Luckily for us, the tobacco combustion part that does the most harm to us (and supposedly can affect others) is not part of the vaping experience. The choice here is one where a person, because of the addictive attributes of nicotine (if they go with some level of nic), can give up some control of their body, for some pleasure. That and what Jane mentions as to taking any foreign substance into the lungs is the cost of that choice. The payoff is the pleasure of the flavors and imo, more importantly, the visual of the vapor....

I've always believed and experienced this connection between the smoke/vapor and contemplation. I think that's why many of us here have come to the conclusion - it isn't a hard one for those that have tried everything else and failed - that half the 'addiction' is the smoke/vapor. And we're not alone: (I've posted this before):

"I like to think of fire held in a man's hand. Fire, a dangerous force, tamed at his fingertips. I often wonder about the hours when a man sits alone, watching the smoke of a cigarette, thinking. I wonder what great things have come from such hours. When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind--and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression." Ayn Rand

Sherlock Holmes sat silent for a few minutes with his finger tips still pressed together, his legs stretched out in front of him and his gaze directed upwards to the ceiling. Then he took down from the rack the old and oily clay pipe, which was to him as a counselor, and, having it, he leaned back in his chair, with the thick blue cloud-wreaths spinning up from him, and a look of infinite languor in his face.

Holmes to Watson:
It is quite a three pipe problem, and I beg that you won't speak to me for fifty minutes.

Or, we can remember the case in which Holmes needed a pound of the strongest shag tobacco to resolve the problem and stayed alone all the day smoking, and Watson founded him in a sort of trance, in a room that "was so filled with the smoke that the light of the lamp upon the table was blurred by it, and my first impression as I opened the door was that a fire has broken out".

... Deep... I like that. :):):) I like Sherlock Holmes stories too, and only very recently began to read it. Something I missed out on in my youth. :)

Congrats Ralph for post 85000!!!

Thanks, but.... :facepalm: ...... :laugh:

Congrats on post 85K Ralph!


thanks for the feedback everyone. You're all thinking pretty much the way i am.

"Are you nuts?" ...."0 nic?!" ...."at least buy from a reputable company"... "do what you want, but check the warranty"

Good summary. I would make one suggestion though. If you really dont want him to take it up, recommend a really fussy unit with low battery life. Like most, he will get frustrated with it, and probably never take it up.

I find myself staring at another 3 to 5 hours of work, starting at 7:15, at a customer site. So I wont be here tonight. I hope you all stir things up, and have a great night! :wub::wub:
 

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Hi/bye wave jj..... Hi Ralph, Fudgey....

Sherlock can be fun Ralph. I have the full volumes... loved the PBS series (they still rerun it) and the older Basil Rathbone (aka Sheriff of Nottingham :) series as well. The new movie is pretty good - I thought Robert Downey Jr. would be bad casting but he pulls it off somewhat. Good story...

And I know if it weren't for the vapor, I'd still be smoking.... it's something that became apparent here early on - we're the 'hard core' - we've tried the patches, gum, chantix and they didn't work. I truly believe that the 'visual' feedback (our 'silent friend' :) is 50% of the habit - maybe more.
 

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Chris, if you are trying to discourage him, don't forget to have him use atomizers, not cartomizers or a tank. And recommend ones that have lots and lots of primer.

I started with 801s, added 501s and then stopped the former but I had recently bought a bunch of atomizers. I decided to use them now. They're really great attys but it's very frustrating -- the batteries don't last and I have one adapter that works (and at least 2 that don't.) As long as I don't lose that adapter, it's a great vape -- once I've blown out and burned off all the primer.



ETA: Fudgey - I like the vapor but I NEED the hand to mouth.
 

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Thank you for taking the time to wrIte such a thoughtful response!!!!The reminder about choices....informed choices...and context is really important.

Chris, humans get to make their own choices as long as they don't harm others. The best thing you can do is help make it an informed choice whether to try it or not.... nicotine is addictive but so is caffeine. Luckily for us, the tobacco combustion part that does the most harm to us (and supposedly can affect others) is not part of the vaping experience. The choice here is one where a person, because of the addictive attributes of nicotine (if they go with some level of nic), can give up some control of their body, for some pleasure. That and what Jane mentions as to taking any foreign substance into the lungs is the cost of that choice. The payoff is the pleasure of the flavors and imo, more importantly, the visual of the vapor....

I've always believed and experienced this connection between the smoke/vapor and contemplation. I think that's why many of us here have come to the conclusion - it isn't a hard one for those that have tried everything else and failed - that half the 'addiction' is the smoke/vapor. And we're not alone: (I've posted this before):

"I like to think of fire held in a man's hand. Fire, a dangerous force, tamed at his fingertips. I often wonder about the hours when a man sits alone, watching the smoke of a cigarette, thinking. I wonder what great things have come from such hours. When a man thinks, there is a spot of fire alive in his mind--and it is proper that he should have the burning point of a cigarette as his one expression." Ayn Rand

Sherlock Holmes sat silent for a few minutes with his finger tips still pressed together, his legs stretched out in front of him and his gaze directed upwards to the ceiling. Then he took down from the rack the old and oily clay pipe, which was to him as a counselor, and, having it, he leaned back in his chair, with the thick blue cloud-wreaths spinning up from him, and a look of infinite languor in his face.

Holmes to Watson:
It is quite a three pipe problem, and I beg that you won't speak to me for fifty minutes.

Or, we can remember the case in which Holmes needed a pound of the strongest shag tobacco to resolve the problem and stayed alone all the day smoking, and Watson founded him in a sort of trance, in a room that "was so filled with the smoke that the light of the lamp upon the table was blurred by it, and my first impression as I opened the door was that a fire has broken out".
 
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