Where's j0ker?????

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JustaGuy

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Hi you guys! Trying to catch up in here is almost impossible now!! :facepalm:

Kent, if I started a thread it would be in the lounge.......not outside..........but it would only last about 20 minutes! :laugh:

But you did...catch up. It is possible. :D

What would happen to your thread after 20 minutes? Or am I asking the wrong question again? :laugh:
 

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So what about Captain Blood and the Age of Reason, Kent? Yes, from 12 hrs ago...:facepalm:

Since j0ker was found, nothing here is 'off topic' but I'll keep it short :) Yeah right.... and it's more history than politics....
Dr. John Locke wrote his famous 'Two Treatises of Goverment' anonymously and for good reason. A peer Algernon Sidney was executed in what was thought to be a plot to kill the King (Charles II) and his brother James (later King James II). The 'Rye House Plot' if you want more info. And Dr. Locke was also pursued and in exile much like Blood. In the movie at the end when Blood is going on about the bad king it is James he's talking about and of course William of Orange (the good guy) replaced him as king - applause cheers, etc. from the crew. :)

What is notable about Locke and Sidney is of course they're considered 'forefathers' of the fathers of our country and some historians would say note that in Jefferson's Declaration - the part where he says "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." .... that in the context of the passage that 'it is their right' is Locke and 'it is their duty' is Sidney, which is a subtle difference in each of their philosophies or governance. And that Jefferson wanted to include both of them as the 'Two Treatises' and Sidney's 'Discourses' were so influential in the ideas of not just Jefferson but of the Colonialists and even some Loyalists by that time. The population per capita was much more literate than it is today even. And many were familiar with the works of Locke, Sydney, Cato's Letters, and others a bit less influential in the philosophy of liberty and more toward the make up of gov't like Hobbes, Bentham, and others. So that passage is not only a rhetorical beauty, also had significance and hence 'influence' among those who would read it - including to whom is was sent :laugh:
 

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Since j0ker was found, nothing here is 'off topic' but I'll keep it short :) Yeah right.... and it's more history than politics....
Dr. John Locke wrote his famous 'Two Treatises of Goverment' anonymously and for good reason. A peer Algernon Sidney was executed in what was thought to be a plot to kill the King (Charles II) and his brother James (later King James II). The 'Rye House Plot' if you want more info. And Dr. Locke was also pursued and in exile much like Blood. In the movie at the end when Blood is going on about the bad king it is James he's talking about and of course William of Orange (the good guy) replaced him as king - applause cheers, etc. from the crew. :)

What is notable about Locke and Sidney is of course they're considered 'forefathers' of the fathers of our country and some historians would say note that in Jefferson's Declaration - the part where he says "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." .... that in the context of the passage that 'it is their right' is Locke and 'it is their duty' is Sidney, which is a subtle difference in each of their philosophies or governance. And that Jefferson wanted to include both of them as the 'Two Treatises' and Sidney's 'Discourses' were so influential in the ideas of not just Jefferson but of the Colonialists and even some Loyalists by that time. The population per capita was much more literate than it is today even. And many were familiar with the works of Locke, Sydney, Cato's Letters, and others a bit less influential in the philosophy of liberty and more toward the make up of gov't like Hobbes, Bentham, and others. So that passage is not only a rhetorical beauty, also had significance and hence 'influence' among those who would read it - including to whom is was sent :laugh:

I am not smart enough to be here... :facepalm: LMAO
 
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