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Site encouraged me to post here so hey! :)
my first vape was joyetech stick that i can't even find pictures of LOL. Dropped off around 2020 when RX200s were the big thing. I'm back (I LOVE NICOTINE LOL) and rebuilding my collection, hope to learn how to wrap my own coils someday!
Welcome to the club :) I also joined recently and taken up vaping again, it is a whole new experience with these modern fancy devices and liquids. Enjoy your journey!
My first real mod was the Voopoo Alpha Zip, I still have it. I am planning to bring it back to life now for some retro feeling :)
 

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It’s easy. A spool of wire and a metal rod of the desired diameter is all you need

ty for offering! I'm down in TX hahaha. Pre-ordered a kit and just waiting for that to ship out so i can start the journey :)
There is a lot of froofroo like “coil winders” that just make things more complicated. Most times people just wind up using a philips head screwdriver. You can worry about exact diameters and stuff or you can just wind one and see what the resistance is after. Its more important for mech users since they actually control the decice with the ohm rating of the coil. For regulated mod users it doesnt matter too much. You want between 3 and 4 volts generally, and if its 0.2 coil thats closer to 40 watts and if its a 2.0 coil its closer to about 8 watts. The mod worries about it by itself on VV
If you're doing exotic wire a fishing swivel and an electric drill will do you. Or just buy the exotic wire.
 
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Welcome to the club :) I also joined recently and taken up vaping again, it is a whole new experience with these modern fancy devices and liquids. Enjoy your journey!
My first real mod was the Voopoo Alpha Zip, I still have it. I am planning to bring it back to life now for some retro feeling :)
Ive tried both and i find i actually prefer the older stuff. Salts creeped me out when they first cropped up and while that was allayed for a bit its gotten worse again. Also a lot of the new liquids contain no or nearly no vg because of the type of tank (or arguably lack of tank) most disposables use. This is good in that PG has no calories, but bad in that it doesn't act as a lubricant at all, more people are allergic to it (one guy was actually talking about hives in his mouth), and it produces less vapor. And of course the disposable stuff is WAY more expensive just like it used to be. I don't have a spare $300/mo so disposables aren't even an option for me.
 

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Ive tried both and i find i actually prefer the older stuff. Salts creeped me out when they first cropped up and while that was allayed for a bit its gotten worse again. Also a lot of the new liquids contain no or nearly no vg because of the type of tank (or arguably lack of tank) most disposables use. This is good in that PG has no calories, but bad in that it doesn't act as a lubricant at all, more people are allergic to it (one guy was actually talking about hives in his mouth), and it produces less vapor. And of course the disposable stuff is WAY more expensive just like it used to be. I don't have a spare $300/mo so disposables aren't even an option for me.
Completely agree, new stuff are not always better and are unregulated..Today I also took it easy with 6mg vegetol freebase e-liquid, I was testing some 30 nic salts recently and I didn’t feel so well..Dispos are too strong with their 50mg, I was only using two until I quit the cigs.
 

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Completely agree, new stuff are not always better and are unregulated..Today I also took it easy with 6mg vegetol freebase e-liquid, I was testing some 30 nic salts recently and I didn’t feel so well..Dispos are too strong with their 50mg, I was only using two until I quit the cigs.
The issue I have with with nic salts is it’s not a chemical, it’s a family of chemicals. And not a terribly small one. There are two common ones and a bunch of others but I’ve run into two people now that are allergic to one but not the other. One begins with M, is the stuff they use in nicotine gum, and has been extensively safety tested. (Im not hiding the name I just can’t remember it. This is aphasia) The other one was the one most likely used in Juul. (Juul would not say which one they actually did use so it’s an educated guess) which was not safety tested, and then there are a couple hundred others some of which taste terrible, are poisonous, or both. You make salts by pouring the given weak acid, and nic together, and heating it a bit. It’s easy to do so whatever chemical is cheap is going to win. And companies often won’t say which one they use. When I hear that I hear echoes of the poison squad. (Which was a cool thing IMHO and partially caused the FDA to happen). Would you like some formaldehyde in your milk? Adding it was common practice before the poison squad. It increased shelf life.
 
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The issue I have with with nic salts is it’s not a chemical, it’s a family of chemicals. And not a terribly small one. There are two common ones and a bunch of others but I’ve run into two people now that are allergic to one but not the other. One begins with M, is the stuff they use in nicotine gum, and has been extensively safety tested. (Im not hiding the name I just can’t remember it. This is aphasia) The other one was the one most likely used in Juul. (Juul would not say which one they actually did use so it’s an educated guess) which was not safety tested, and then there are a couple hundred others some of which taste terrible, are poisonous, or both. You make salts by pouring the given weak acid, and nic together, and heating it a bit. It’s easy to do so whatever chemical is cheap is going to win. And companies often won’t say which one they use. When I hear that I hear echoes of the poison squad. (Which was a cool thing IMHO and partially caused the FDA to happen). Would you like some formaldehyde in your milk? Adding it was common practice before the poison squad. It increased shelf life.
Yeah, it might be the various acids they use: benzoic acid, lactate acid, citric acid or other nice combo. And to be frank that high nicotine in itself is a poison. You don’t even notice and you’ve bumped in 100mg+ nicotine in your body, because it is so smooth and yummy. I feel much better now I just used low mg freebase yesterday..I will stick to that and don’t experiment anymore with the salts! So there is a bunch of salts in the drawer now
 

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Yeah, it might be the various acids they use: benzoic acid, lactate acid, citric acid or other nice combo. And to be frank that high nicotine in itself is a poison. You don’t even notice and you’ve bumped in 100mg+ nicotine in your body, because it is so smooth and yummy. I feel much better now I just used low mg freebase yesterday..I will stick to that and don’t experiment anymore with the salts! So there is a bunch of salts in the drawer now
I never liked the word freebase. I think it was made up by people trying to sell salts. It makes it sound more dangerous and unpredictable than salts when in fact the reverse is true. Besides to call unprotonated nic “freebase” is only just barely accurate in the first place. It sounds like freebase ....... which is BS. I prefer the terms “unprotonated” and “protonated” as they are more accurate.

The advantages of salts are all for sellers. It has a longer shelf life (so higher profit) and can be more mild at really high concentrations which makes it more addictive. Theres basically nothing there for users. It’s all bad. For users “no way to tell what it actually is”, older product costing the same, and the ability of sellers to addict users even harder. Why would anyone do that!?

Because “freebase” is more “dangerous” because the word makes it sound like an unusually bad illegal drug famous people have been nearly killed by. When in actuality salts are worse.
 
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Might be interesting to track the word as used. Who started it? Who promoted it? It didn’t used to be a thing. It BECAME a thing. Why?
I agree with you guys, let’s name it from now on classic e-liquid :) Here in the NL there is a switch, you barely see salts on the shelves anymore at the tobacconist and they are capped at 2%, the rest is all classic e-liquids and only tobacco flavors..
 

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I agree with you guys, let’s name it from now on classic e-liquid :) Here in the NL there is a switch, you barely see salts on the shelves anymore at the tobacconist and they are capped at 2%, the rest is all classic e-liquids and only tobacco flavors..
Probably legal stuff. The tobacco flavors only thing is something the cigarette companies have been angling for for years. Partially because they own them all. A secret monopoly. and they charge 8 times what other flavorings do. They don’t cost more to make. They used to be the same price. The all of a sudden they jumped in cost 800% some years ago.
 

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