Why am burning through coils, no matter the brand?

[edyle]

With a freshly cleaned topper, new coil, put it on your VV3 and check the resistance. (Press both up and down buttons at the same time.) If the reading isn't real close to what's expected (marked on the coil base, measured with some other meter), then you might be getting a poor connection between the VV3 and the topper.

The VV3 is known to have a slightly taller than normal ego threaded portion, and for many doesn't make a solid connection to all toppers. (And a soft grommet under the pin, easy to inadvertently push down for the same problem.) If that's the case, the electronics can see a varying resistance, and then the regulation goes crazy, often resulting in the burning you have.

If that's the problem, then things might work better in vv mode instead of vw mode.

 

[DavidOck]

Uh, maybe...

If it monitors the voltage across the load (coil), and that keeps changing due to an intermittent / bad connection, it will still keep trying to adjust the voltage to suit.

No knowing exactly how innokin does its regulation, it might be a fix, although fixing the connection problem (if it is the problem!) is the preferred method.

A thread extender might work.

 

[edyle]

Uh, maybe...

If it monitors the voltage across the load (coil), and that keeps changing due to an intermittent / bad connection, it will still keep trying to adjust the voltage to suit.

No knowing exactly how Innokin does its regulation, it might be a fix, although fixing the connection problem (if it is the problem!) is the preferred method.

A thread extender might work.

In vw mode, the mod (any mod, not just innokin) measures the resistance, and adjusts the voltage;
if you have some sort of connection problem causing the resistance to vary on the fly, the mod will keep adjusting;

but anyway I guess you can check to see if you are getting fluctuating ohms by periodically pressing the buttons to measure ohms and see if that's the problem.

 

[DavidOck]

Agreed - if it actually regulates rather than just sets the voltage.

 

[grannynut41]

Hi Granny,

There are basically three reasons why your juice can taste burned. Some juices don't take heat as well as others, but you've tried a lot of different juices, so we can scratch that off the list. Next cause is that juice isn't wicking to the coil fast enough. Since you're using pre-made coils and using different juices, and since you're vaping at low wattage, that shouldn't be a problem either. The third reason is you're not getting enough airflow across the coil. That's the one I'd think about. How hard are you drawing when you breathe in? Do you breath in from the mouth, or from the lungs? Does the draw seem airy, or really tight? Your aerotanks and nautilus should have adjustable air flow, try opening that all the way and try giving a heavier drag to move more air past the coil. See if that makes any difference.

Also, if you've already burnt the juice or coil, the rest of the juice you put in there will may taste burnt until you clean the tank thoroughly, and dry-burned or replaced the coil as well. So, that's something to keep in mind.

Papa, I guess I am toking pretty hard on them. I just don't always get out of it what I want. I know sometimes its the juice, but not on what I call the good juice lol at least that's why i paid the money for them lol I do believe I take a deep lung breath. Heck...I dunno lol I know I like my aero tanks to be open mid way. I don't want to airy of a hit. I want some pull...I guess from lack of a better word.
But I did end up getting 2.0 ohms for my Kangers. OMG so much better! I haven't tried it in my Aspire tanks yet...and yes I got the higher ohms for the BDC and the BVC. So far it is better. But I have a ton of 1.8 ohm coils I just bought...so I still need to figure out what I am doing wrong.
Thanks for your help!!!!

 

[grannynut41]

Hmm, that sounds familiar. I was at a shop that I visited once before and the last time I was there I bought two bottles of Space Jam "Pluto", in the store I thought it tasted great, sort of like cantaloupe and bubblegum but when I got home and put it into a clean tank with a brand new coil, the flavor was purely cantaloupe and floral. The following week I stopped in at the store and asked them about the sample juices on their display and what nicotine level they were. They told me they were all either 0mg or 6mg (at the most) and I vape at 18mg.

I asked in the juice forum if nicotine can change the flavor and people said that it would, and that most B&M stores have either 0mg samples or very low nicotine samples and that is likely why the flavor is sometimes nasty to me when I get it home and into my own equipment, due to the 18mg of nicotine that I want for my juices.

So, that leaves me wondering if you are experiencing the same situation.

The only flavor that I've found, (and only found it yesterday) that didn't change between the sample at the store and when put into my clean tank with new coil is something called "Hot Cin", which is like a cinnamon hot candy. The cinnamon flavor takes me just to the very edge of feeling like cinnamon burn in my mouth but never actually crosses that line. In any event, even at 18mg I don't notice the normal yucky flavor change that I get with almost every other flavor e-liquid that I've bought. My guess is that the cinnamon is so strong that it masks any flavor that the 18mg of nicotine might impart to it.

And as somebody else mentioned, you may simply be vaping faster than the wick can wick up the e-liquid. I have had that but usually with 're-used" coils that I've cleaned in the past with either a denture cleanser or vodka bath. Usually when I'm stuck with one of them I just try to slow down my vaping to try to let as much liquid get into the coil head as possible between vapes. Sometimes I have to slow down so much that I'll get on my cell phone and google for the closest vape shop to go buy a new coil instead of vaping so slow.

Traijan
I never thought about the 18mg changing the flavor of the juices! My local vape shops only have 0 or 6 also. I also use 18. I will keep that in mind from now on. But, what is happening with me is that it is getting burnt quickly. I really think it is me lol I think I must be vaping to quickly although I am having better luck with the 2.0 ohms I just bought. WOOOHOOO Thanks...I am still taking suggestions lol

 

[grannynut41]

I was thinking about it and I noodled it through to the same conclusion are you getting enough air to the coils?

That is a wonderful question samcm lol I have no clue...my guess...probably not cause that is my luck lol

 

[grannynut41]

5 minute cotton rewick once a day

Ok...that just scares me...honestly have no idea or even understand how to do that lol one of these days I might give it a try. lol thanks though

 

[grannynut41]

Nice idea but I think OP has already suggested she is not ready to rebuild yet.

True I have no clue lol none...zip...zilch...nada...SCARES ME LOL

 

[grannynut41]

Considering you seem to be using protank and aerotank stuff can I assume your using kanger duel coils? I had my first one last me only 3 days. On the 2nd day I cleaned out my tank and for the duel coils I dry burned it, rinsed it with water. then dry burned again. Those you can't really get apart because of their design. It crapped out on me the next day. The one I got in now I only wipe down with a paper towel. I don't repeat what I did before. I think it has now been officially 14 days and it is still going fine. A vape at 8 watts usually. For a few things I found I need to go higher for it to taste good. Highest I have gone is 10 watts. Which is usually fine to do on a duel coil. At least from what I have read up on them. Are you perhaps vaping at too low a temp? Also what is the resistance of your coils? Are they 2 ohms like mine? I'd consider trying every option available on this. I am new to vaping myself but this sounds really odd to me. Just try bumping it up some and see if perhaps that helps. Also like some said try checking the airflow. I got an aerotank mini. One thing I got to keep an eye on when I refill my tank is that I haven't accidentally closed the valve. which I have done before. Having that closed can interfere from getting a hit and could possible burn the juice. BTW I also have an itaste vv. lol.

Yepa...dual coils. And now I have 2.0 ohms...and man what a difference! This being new is kinda nerve racking isn't it??? lol I wonder about the airflow...and I did try bumping up my power on the 1.8s i was using...just made burn faster...probably me...has to be lol Valve on mini??? crud...I gonna have to check that out...I have a few of them...and I do have issues with them sometimes too. Don't ya just love the itaste VV??? I now got two...got rid of all of my vision spinner 2's lol

 

[grannynut41]

I hate to say this but I think it might really be worth a try to move to re building. I know you say you do not want/ or are not interested in trying to rebuild but it is really a game changer. I would be willing to ship to you ( granny and granny only) a Igo w... with a brand new coil and organic japanese cotton free of charge if you think you would like to try it. It is a dripper and would fit on you device might not look like all that but it performs well and the build would certainly last you a bit. I would send some extra cotton so if you are careful you could re wick at least twice.

Samcm...
I soooooooooooooooo appreciate that offer! Wow...that is sweet...but I really have no idea what I am doing. lol So I'm torn between wanting to accept...and not wanting to cause...I have no clue what I am doing lol I would need detailed...(with pictures btw) directions on what to do lol I didn't think a dripper would work with my itaste VV. Thought they needed more or something. See...I'm clueless lol EDUCATE ME! Thansk Sam!

 

[grannynut41]

Harsh truth of the day: it's far less hassle in the long run to rebuild than it is to fuss and fiddle with crappy stock coils. I'm an idiot but I taught myself to build a functional coil in about 20 minutes.

HOW??? lol

 

[grannynut41]

Silly question, but what is your pg/vg ratio? Since you say you want throat hit and it sounds like you may be having issues with the liquid wicking fast enough, more pg may help.

Ya know...I got some that are 70/30. but I didn't get right strength nicotine...so, still not a cure for me. as my day goes on it seems I need more ...does that make sense???

 

[HMav]

Granny, it is possible that your pulls are too long. the stock coil and wick does not keep up to sustained draws even with sufficient airflow, and as the wick dries out the coil burns the juice. I've seen this on my cheap clearos, Aspire ETs (with BVC) and the Nautilus mini.

You could thin your juice slightly with distilled water, but this might cause gurgling issues. You could also try taking shorter draws (stock setups are really intended for mouth inhales, not lung inhales).

The only thing that I found that fixed the problem for me are rebuildables.

Maybe you have some willing helpers that can rebuild your stock coils with better wicks? This would definitely help.You also want to keep your coil resistance around 2 Ohms with the VV3, it really doesn't perform at its best with lower Ohm coils.

 

[grannynut41]

I was thinking sort of along these lines, but maybe try diluting with water or a tiny bit of alcohol (PGA or vodka). [I'm thinking just a small experiment of taking 3 ml of juice into a different bottle and adding a few drops of either water or alcohol and seeing if it wick better, not modifying an entire bottle right off the bat.]

It seems weird that it would be air flow, since it's doing this will all her clearos.

Did we get info on whether it's single coils or dual?

sorry dual coils. got 1 single. lol

 

[grannynut41]

With a freshly cleaned topper, new coil, put it on your VV3 and check the resistance. (Press both up and down buttons at the same time.) If the reading isn't real close to what's expected (marked on the coil base, measured with some other meter), then you might be getting a poor connection between the VV3 and the topper.

The VV3 is known to have a slightly taller than normal ego threaded portion, and for many doesn't make a solid connection to all toppers. (And a soft grommet under the pin, easy to inadvertently push down for the same problem.) If that's the case, the electronics can see a varying resistance, and then the regulation goes crazy, often resulting in the burning you have.

I have noticed that when i do push the two buttons at same time and get readings...that my wattage is where I want it to be, but that the voltage seems high. I usually just use the wattage and I always make sure that my voltage stays at 3.3 even though I don't use that, but sometimes when I get my reading the voltage is higher than that . like 4.0 or up. I don't understand why it does it. the ohms are ok...i think...

 

[HMav]

When you press both button at once it shows you the coil resistance followed by the current battery voltage, which is different the then voltage it send to the atomizer (in most cases).

 

[grannynut41]

In vw mode, the mod (any mod, not just innokin) measures the resistance, and adjusts the voltage;
if you have some sort of connection problem causing the resistance to vary on the fly, the mod will keep adjusting;

but anyway I guess you can check to see if you are getting fluctuating ohms by periodically pressing the buttons to measure ohms and see if that's the problem.

Ok...maybe...this it. I know it gets high sometimes...I do check it. I will do more checking chart it and ask you guys...cause honestly...I have no clue what any of it means lol

 

[DavidOck]

And if you press and hold the lower (-) button, first it will show the puff count, then the current output setting. If in VW mode, it will be something like P7.5, if in VV mode, along the lines of U3.8.

You pick which mode, VV or VW. Both work fine, many use VW which is sort of "set and forget" if all your flavors taste best at the same power level. (Not all do, ime) In VW mode, the mods automatically adjusts the voltage for you to get that power level, so different coil resistances don't matter. In VV mode, you may need to adjust the set voltage when you change to a topper with a different value, to get the same vape.

You might consider putting it in VV mode and setting it all the way down, then work up in steps.

 

[samcm010]

Samcm...
I soooooooooooooooo appreciate that offer! Wow...that is sweet...but I really have no idea what I am doing. lol So I'm torn between wanting to accept...and not wanting to cause...I have no clue what I am doing lol I would need detailed...(with pictures btw) directions on what to do lol I didn't think a dripper would work with my itaste VV. Thought they needed more or something. See...I'm clueless lol EDUCATE ME! Thansk Sam!

Ok well lets start at the beginning I will build a coil and wick it with organic cotton in the IGO-W and send it to you. It will work on your ITaste albeit a little top heavy. When you get it all you will need is a drip tip and juice. When you get it just drip some juice into the top hole and add drip tip. If you like the results then you and I can talk or you can watch any number of videos on how to re build. IF you do not like I ask that you return the favor and send to someone else so that they can try their hand at re building. If this sounds good shoot me a PM and I will get it out to you.