I just placed an order with them and added no extra flavor now I'm a little worried :-\
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Why do ejuice vendors sell ejuice with flavor shots?
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To sum it all up....... taste is subjective!
If it was not then we would all like the same exact foods.
What flavor you like is based on you, your gear, your pg/vg ratio etc.
That is the reason for options.
If it was not then we would all like the same exact foods.
What flavor you like is based on you, your gear, your pg/vg ratio etc.
That is the reason for options.
You've received a lot of good info here but I'll add a few things. As you become more and more experienced with vaping hardware and juices, you'll find that not only do your tastes buds and sense of smell change/improve as well as your like and dislikes, you'll see that different setups produce different results with juices. IE: Brand of clearo, heads, cartos, tanks, tank/carto, resistance of attys, battery voltage used, etc. Its a big, big, vape world and vendors are offering choices commensurate with hardware, personal tastes, etc. In juices, one size does not fit all. Additionally, some people do not like very much flavoring at all and some don't vape any flavoring at all. Those vapers say the bit of taste and sweetness of plain VG, for instance, is all they like.
As for MBV, I'm one of the unlucky ones whose buds don't like their base but I do have some early experience with them. Go easy on the flavor shots. Somewhere on the site they talk about overall percentage of flavorings and the combined percent they won't exceed because problems develop then. That is because one of two things might happen. 1) Oddly enough, due to the way taste buds work, too much flavoring can actually cause you not to taste any flavor.. its like the buds get numb. 2) The juice can go flowery/chemically/perfumey for some. That statement they make pertains to everyone's taste but for some others it can happen well under the percentages MBV won't exceed. There's one juice they carry that definitely does not need a bump and that's the maple pecan I think its called (ask in chat and they'll tell you its their strongest juice) and I don't think graham cracker does either. Also, I wouldn't bump any of their tobaccos.
As for MBV, I'm one of the unlucky ones whose buds don't like their base but I do have some early experience with them. Go easy on the flavor shots. Somewhere on the site they talk about overall percentage of flavorings and the combined percent they won't exceed because problems develop then. That is because one of two things might happen. 1) Oddly enough, due to the way taste buds work, too much flavoring can actually cause you not to taste any flavor.. its like the buds get numb. 2) The juice can go flowery/chemically/perfumey for some. That statement they make pertains to everyone's taste but for some others it can happen well under the percentages MBV won't exceed. There's one juice they carry that definitely does not need a bump and that's the maple pecan I think its called (ask in chat and they'll tell you its their strongest juice) and I don't think graham cracker does either. Also, I wouldn't bump any of their tobaccos.
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or taste is completely subjective. but just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that someone isn't after you.
I understand they want to give us (their customers) a chance to customize out vaping experience. But I feel it is at times counter productive. Planting a seed of confusion, doubt and possible regret.
Though I respect the custom-ability I almost prefer when juice vendors narrow down the options a bit. Offer me the best product that you are willing to put your name on and let me make a choice or two.
On one hand some vendors (i.e. Halo, AVE) are offering no flavor options, and no PG/VG base options = 1 option. On the other hand other vendors (i.e. MBV) are offering 6 flavor levels (0-5 shots) and 7 PG/VG ratios = 42 options per juice.
I like choices but not too many. Guide me a little and offer me he best product with a couple options. Some where between 1 and 42 please.
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Though I respect the custom-ability I almost prefer when juice vendors narrow down the options a bit. Offer me the best product that you are willing to put your name on and let me make a choice or two.
On one hand some vendors (i.e. Halo, AVE) are offering no flavor options, and no PG/VG base options = 1 option. On the other hand other vendors (i.e. MBV) are offering 6 flavor levels (0-5 shots) and 7 PG/VG ratios = 42 options per juice.
I like choices but not too many. Guide me a little and offer me he best product with a couple options. Some where between 1 and 42 please.
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Some vendors pay very, very, big prices for expert mixologists to come up with recipes that take months of testing at different voltages on different setups. The final product is really good, though different, at virtually any voltage in virtually any setup. Other vendors just buy some pretty cheap premixed flavorings, (IE: already named "cheesecake" for instance) throw it in some base and slap their unique name on the juice. Its really not a recipe they invented. Naturally, those who pay the big bucks for already complex and perfected juice recipes, which are usually reflected in the price you pay for that juice, won't be offering choices that could mess up the signature juices they hang their reputation on. For instance, my ADVs come 50/50 period.... the only exception is they will alter it to 100% VG for a small additional charge because some are allergic to PG but they also caution you to only alter it that way if absolutely necessary as they take pride in their juice and it will change the flavor.
my head explodes without all the mixtures but i suppose the longer in am in the vaping world i will appreciate it more....lol lol head will explode
You make it sound binary.
There is a lot of middle ground - Just because they aren't making all the decisions for you doesn't mean they aren't creating and refining their own recipes.
When I was buying juice I tried a variety of shops and always found taste to be hit and miss for me weather it was cheap or expensive juice. Now that I make my own I tweak the recipe as I desire and sometimes to suit the device it will go into. Sometimes I modify a tank worth because I just feel like it at that minute.
I've also learned that what I like today may well change in a week or a year. The ability to modify the juice for someone who buys premixed is very good for people who appreciate it. If you don't like that, it's very easy to buy from a supplier that doesn't offer this option. Nice that we have these options!
I've also learned that what I like today may well change in a week or a year. The ability to modify the juice for someone who buys premixed is very good for people who appreciate it. If you don't like that, it's very easy to buy from a supplier that doesn't offer this option. Nice that we have these options!
I don't prefer juice vendors that have flavor shots. I feel that the creator had a mental image of what the flavor should be to him/her. I think they try to approach that ideal flavor. If you like it, then nice. If not, find something else.
I too can see how the flavor shot option could be a bit confusing at first. I have been ordering from MBV for over a year now so I know what works for me but I will tell you what I did when I first started ordering from them and maybe this will help. I had no clue how many shots to order so I read through the reviews on each juice I wanted to try to see what other people had to say about the juice flavor and to see how many shots they recommended. Of course, as others have told you, everyone's tastes are different but at least it gave me a good starting point for each juice. If the majority of reviews said it was great with 2 flavor shots that is what I tried and I adjusted from there. Also, you can order small bottles of flavoring for many of the MBV juices from them in case you want to make a juice a bit stronger or order unflavored juice at your nic level to cut it down if it is too strong. I have been very happy with the juices I get through MBV and you can't beat the customer service or fast shipping. I would hate to see you give up on them but if you just don't want to deal with the flavor shots I hope you find another vendor that has something you will really like. Just read through posts on ecf and you will find great reviews on many great juice vendors.
Not "binary" at all but the post was already pretty long... just a briefer description of the differences. Of course Pecan Roll and Pecan Pie are going to have either dough, frosting or pie crust along with the filling flavor whichever applies but if you step over to Wizard Labs, One Stop DIY, etc, you'll see those flavorings come already put together. You can make a cake from scratch or buy the ingredients already put together in a box mix... all I'm saying... and it explains what the OP was after. However, if one does DIY as I do, they're familiar with the various flavoring house flavors and, yes, with some vendors the majority of their juices most definitely are "binary" with their "signature" section being a bit more complex but those "signature" sections are absent at many, many, vendor sites because they really don't create anything. And at other vendor sites there is no signature section because they've hired a mixologist to create everything they sell (in some cases, the mixologist is the owner too) and nothing on the site is "binary." Yes, I agree, there's a vast "in between."
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Still binary ;P
Those aren't your only two choices - being able to add more flavor is not indicative of either one. Places like MBV and ECB make their own "cakes" but allow you to add more flavor to it.
99% (not real math) of juice vendors pull from the same pool of flavors, so virtually nobody is baking their own cake from scratch. Instead, they are designing flavors based off pre-existing flavors. Adding more "strawberry cheesecake" flavor is giving you the same flavor profile as the basic mix - just more of it.
Those aren't your only two choices - being able to add more flavor is not indicative of either one. Places like MBV and ECB make their own "cakes" but allow you to add more flavor to it.
99% (not real math) of juice vendors pull from the same pool of flavors, so virtually nobody is baking their own cake from scratch. Instead, they are designing flavors based off pre-existing flavors. Adding more "strawberry cheesecake" flavor is giving you the same flavor profile as the basic mix - just more of it.
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