Why does it seem like people are pushing for more power?

[Rokey]

I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but I've been reading threads a lot and see a lot tips and advice etc for people using "sub ohm" atomizers and trying to get a crap load of wattage through various means.

Is it the liquid that makes people want to do this? I'm a picky eater, and I assume for the same reasons I'm a picky vapor (vaporer?). The only flavor I like and use is Hawk Sauce from mount baker (and I also like Faux Hawk which they created when supplier problems put the Hawk Sauce out of stock). Yeah, I'm worried about only having one flavor and am not sure what flavor combo is in it, but that is a different thread for a different forum.

I'm using a 1.5 ohm coil in my Protank and a Vamo. I put the the voltage to 3.0 because it is the minimum. I've tried putting it to 6.0, the max, and it just makes my vape taste terrible. I've tried different volt levels and have found that it tastes much better at low settings. I couldn't imagine putting an atomizer with a lower ohm in this thing because minimum voltage is a good point.

So why do people do it? And if I put in higher resistance coils and turn up the volts (if necessary) will it lead to my battery draining faster?

 

[Dogeggs]

People do it to make those huge clouds... keep making huge clouds and only a huge cloud will satisfy you, so my advice is to stick to what you are comfortable with.

 

[Baditude]

I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but I've been reading threads a lot and see a lot tips and advice etc for people using "sub ohm" atomizers and trying to get a crap load of wattage through various means.

So why do people do it? And if I put in higher resistance coils and turn up the volts (if necessary) will it lead to my battery draining faster?

Those people who are primarily "cloud chasers" are essentually doing the sub-ohm thing for sport or to impress their friends; it has become a competition thing for them.

There are also other vapers who feel they get better flavor doing sub-ohm coil builds with the right combination of air flow, larger coil and wick surface area, and high wattage. Their reasoning is that they can't get the same results with 1.0 ohm coils or higher. Regulated mods won't fire below 1.0 ohm due to their amp limits and their protective circuitry, so sub-ohmers use mechanical mods which bypass these limitations.

Its a common misconception that higher ohms will drain a battery faster, but the exact opposite is true. Lower ohms will drain a battery faster than higher ohms due to the fact that more amps are pulled from the battery. The higher in resistance you go, the less amps are used, but you reach a point where little or no vapor is produced.

For example, sub-ohm coils require ultra-high amp batteries (20 - 30 amps). The typical general purpose high drain battery has 10 amps. The typical ICR protected battery will have only 3 - 4 amps.

 

[Kuffaar]

I guess I would be a cloud chaser then but I enjoy the sub ohm of .18 on my igo w and .56 on my igo t for the flavor of my juice. I have my nic at .8% per volume. I have found that it is more fulfilling than a real cig but that's just me. the lower the nic the more flavor of the juice I get in my option hence the lower ohms/higher wattage I get get more satisfaction in my vape experience. Everyone is different in what they prefer. How ever I have seen some youth that vape sub ohm just to blow clouds that part is a fact.

 

[Jordner]

i feel like deep down every vaper loves a good cloud. I know i sure do. But I also appreciate the ability to taste things again since i quit the analogs, so I try to obtain the best flavor I can create. I typically run 1.2-1.3 micro coils with cotton wick between 8 and 11 watts. I also like a warm vape, in my opinion the way the warm flavor hits my tongue.

 

[Jugband]

i feel like deep down every vaper loves a good cloud. I know i sure do. But I also appreciate the ability to taste things again since i quit the analogs, so I try to obtain the best flavor I can create. I typically run 1.2-1.3 micro coils with cotton wick between 8 and 11 watts. I also like a warm vape, in my opinion the way the warm flavor hits my tongue.

I agree with this 100%. My vape method exactly!

 

[edyle]

I'm not sure if this is the right forum, but I've been reading threads a lot and see a lot tips and advice etc for people using "sub ohm" atomizers and trying to get a crap load of wattage through various means.

Is it the liquid that makes people want to do this? I'm a picky eater, and I assume for the same reasons I'm a picky vapor (vaporer?). The only flavor I like and use is Hawk Sauce from Mount Baker (and I also like Faux Hawk which they created when supplier problems put the Hawk Sauce out of stock). Yeah, I'm worried about only having one flavor and am not sure what flavor combo is in it, but that is a different thread for a different forum.

I'm using a 1.5 ohm coil in my Protank and a Vamo. I put the the voltage to 3.0 because it is the minimum. I've tried putting it to 6.0, the max, and it just makes my vape taste terrible. I've tried different volt levels and have found that it tastes much better at low settings. I couldn't imagine putting an atomizer with a lower ohm in this thing because minimum voltage is a good point.

So why do people do it? And if I put in higher resistance coils and turn up the volts (if necessary) will it lead to my battery draining faster?

3 volts at 1.5 ohm means
3 x 3 / 1.5 = 6 watts.

the common coils tend to operate in the 4 to 6 watts range. Nominal : 5 watts.

 

[KenD]

RBAs with good air flow and proper wicking will let you go much higher in wattage without getting a burnt taste. I've recently started using mech mods (wouldn't necessarily recommend those) and love them because they'll provide me with more wattage than a vv/vw mod can, as long as the atomizer coil is properly built. I haven't gone lower than 0.9 ohms though, and don't plan to, but it's a noticeable difference to the maximum 15w that is possible with most vv/vw mods.

Lower ohms equal less time on the battery, but in my experience a mech will give you more battery time than a vv/vw at the same power output. The circuitry does eat up a lot of the battery power.

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[Keynith]

Regulated mods won't fire below 1.0 ohm due to their amp limits and their protective circuitry, so sub-ohmers use mechanical mods which bypass these limitations..

DNA 30 will fire all the way down to .3 ohms

 

[certus11]

Because there are stages to vaping before things get really boring; the last stage for everybody usually is refreshing ECF looking like this guy-----> due to lack of new posts.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

DNA 30 will fire all the way down to .3 ohms

even though a DNA 30 will support 10 amps the specs say lowest ohms it will fire is .5 ohms not .3 and at .5 ohms a Mechanical will be pushing 35.28 watts.

It's apples and oranges you cannot compare Cartos, regular attys, tanks etc. to an RBA doing low or sub ohm. I used to use 2.5ohm dripping atties on my VW devices at 7 to 8 watts. If I pushed the wattage any higher as you say horrible taste and just too hot. I now run .8 to 1.1 and occasionally play with .6 ohm coils on my mechanical with an RBA. The flavor and vapor production is much better.

 

[Vwls]

Those people who are primarily "cloud chasers" are essentially doing the sub-ohm thing for sport or to impress their friends; it has become a competition thing for them.

Hi Bad I'd just like to throw in my two cents here, for whatever it's worth. Of course there's a fringe group who vape for gigantic clouds in an aggressive and perhaps sophomoric way... but I'd venture a guess that they are a very small group. Lots of sub-ohmers, such as myself, drop our ohms because we genuinely love the denser, fuller, warmer vapor it produces. While it's true that some commercially made juices do not vaporize well at low ohms, juice can be engineered to match the coil and power desired. By adjusting flavor intensity, nic level, and viscosity, you can mix your juice to taste and perform perfectly while still giving you the desired vapor. I see sub-ohming as more of a hobby and an art. It requires a knowledge of science and electricity, the willingness to build and explore, the curiosity to try new things, and the creativity to make all the pieces fit together.

Believe me when I say that sub ohm vapor is a completely different experience from what you are getting in the 1 to 2 ohm range of coil resistance on a standard regulated mod. It's another universe.

Now yes - I know I could get the same result with a 1.5 - 1.8 ohm coil on a DNA20 mod pumping out 20 watts or so, but I haven't seen a DNA20 yet that is aesthetically pleasing / affordable. For me, sub-ohming on a mechanical gives the best of all possible worlds: delicious, thick, satisfying vapor, low nicotine content (you have to drop nic levels when you venture into sub-ohm territory because the nicotine delivery is so much more efficient), and of course, equipment that looks beautiful and lasts forever.

I just wanted to throw that out there - it would be a shame if people thought all sub-ohmers are just showboating. I don't think I've ever once showed off the size of my exhaled vapor. It's about safe tinkering - always striving for the most pleasurable vaping experience possible.

 

[Keynith]

even though a DNA 30 will support 10 amps the specs say lowest ohms it will fire is .5 ohms not .3 and at .5 ohms a Mechanical will be pushing 35.28 watts.

It's apples and oranges you cannot compare Cartos, regular attys, tanks etc. to an RBA doing low or sub ohm. I used to use 2.5ohm dripping atties on my VW devices at 7 to 8 watts. If I pushed the wattage any higher as you say horrible taste and just too hot. I now run .8 to 1.1 and occasionally play with .6 ohm coils on my mechanical with an RBA. The flavor and vapor production is much better.

Ooops I always get that number wrong for some reason. Yeah I run mechs down to .6 and my regulated mods @1.2ish ohms. Its all preference, but keep in mind higher watts means more battery use so choose wisely, unless your cool with carrying around a few spares.

 

[Filthy-Beast]

Ooops I always get that number wrong for some reason. Yeah I run mechs down to .6 and my regulated mods @1.2ish ohms. Its all preference, but keep in mind higher watts means more battery use so choose wisely, unless your cool with carrying around a few spares.

I carry multiple Reo Grands so I have a spare of everything just waiting for me to push the button.

 

[Keynith]

I carry multiple Reo Grands so I have a spare of everything just waiting for me to push the button.

Well, I was talking about batteries, but I guess you can carry a couple extra vapes around in case the worst should happen...

 

[FlyBoyJourney]

Hi Bad I'd just like to throw in my two cents here, for whatever it's worth. Of course there's a fringe group who vape for gigantic clouds in an aggressive and perhaps sophomoric way... but I'd venture a guess that they are a very small group. Lots of sub-ohmers, such as myself, drop our ohms because we genuinely love the denser, fuller, warmer vapor it produces. While it's true that some commercially made juices do not vaporize well at low ohms, juice can be engineered to match the coil and power desired. By adjusting flavor intensity, nic level, and viscosity, you can mix your juice to taste and perform perfectly while still giving you the desired vapor. I see sub-ohming as more of a hobby and an art. It requires a knowledge of science and electricity, the willingness to build and explore, the curiosity to try new things, and the creativity to make all the pieces fit together.

Believe me when I say that sub ohm vapor is a completely different experience from what you are getting in the 1 to 2 ohm range of coil resistance on a standard regulated mod. It's another universe.

Now yes - I know I could get the same result with a 1.5 - 1.8 ohm coil on a DNA20 mod pumping out 20 watts or so, but I haven't seen a DNA20 yet that is aesthetically pleasing / affordable. For me, sub-ohming on a mechanical gives the best of all possible worlds: delicious, thick, satisfying vapor, low nicotine content (you have to drop nic levels when you venture into sub-ohm territory because the nicotine delivery is so much more efficient), and of course, equipment that looks beautiful and lasts forever.

I just wanted to throw that out there - it would be a shame if people thought all sub-ohmers are just showboating. I don't think I've ever once showed off the size of my exhaled vapor. It's about safe tinkering - always striving for the most pleasurable vaping experience possible.

GREAT post, lots of good info for all especially Nooooobeeeeee's like me. Thanks. Especially about NIC levels. Thats the next area I want to delve into and tinker with a perfect amount for me. Im thinking a lil lower (Ive bought mostly 12ml) will be better.

 

[joecil]

GREAT post, lots of good info for all especially Nooooobeeeeee's like me. Thanks. Especially about NIC levels. Thats the next area I want to delve into and tinker with a perfect amount for me. Im thinking a lil lower (Ive bought mostly 12ml) will be better.

The few times I tried sub ohming, which is the extent of my knowledge, I quickly discovered that my juice strength at the time was too strong. I cut that in half to 6mg which was still a bit too strong. I actually went to 0mg nicotine which I actually use now regardless of what device or ohm rating. I also have a problem with throat hits. I gave up smoking back in September and now find the throat hit bother me a lot. I also found the taste comes through a bit better without the nicotine as it seemed to have a bitter background taste. I also am a fan of 70/30, 80/20 or even a 100% VG mixes. I tried it using a IGO W and a Trident Clone.

 

[Froth]

Hi Bad I'd just like to throw in my two cents here, for whatever it's worth. Of course there's a fringe group who vape for gigantic clouds in an aggressive and perhaps sophomoric way... but I'd venture a guess that they are a very small group. Lots of sub-ohmers, such as myself, drop our ohms because we genuinely love the denser, fuller, warmer vapor it produces. While it's true that some commercially made juices do not vaporize well at low ohms, juice can be engineered to match the coil and power desired. By adjusting flavor intensity, nic level, and viscosity, you can mix your juice to taste and perform perfectly while still giving you the desired vapor. I see sub-ohming as more of a hobby and an art. It requires a knowledge of science and electricity, the willingness to build and explore, the curiosity to try new things, and the creativity to make all the pieces fit together.

Believe me when I say that sub ohm vapor is a completely different experience from what you are getting in the 1 to 2 ohm range of coil resistance on a standard regulated mod. It's another universe.

Now yes - I know I could get the same result with a 1.5 - 1.8 ohm coil on a DNA20 mod pumping out 20 watts or so, but I haven't seen a DNA20 yet that is aesthetically pleasing / affordable. For me, sub-ohming on a mechanical gives the best of all possible worlds: delicious, thick, satisfying vapor, low nicotine content (you have to drop nic levels when you venture into sub-ohm territory because the nicotine delivery is so much more efficient), and of course, equipment that looks beautiful and lasts forever.

I just wanted to throw that out there - it would be a shame if people thought all sub-ohmers are just showboating. I don't think I've ever once showed off the size of my exhaled vapor. It's about safe tinkering - always striving for the most pleasurable vaping experience possible.

Great post, I feel this is where I also fall in the vaping world. While I do like the versatility of a DNA20 or DNA30 I don't want to dish out the $200+ for a DNA30 device and still only have the ability to run 30watts. Honestly I enjoy my vape experience at 35 watts and up on a mechanical because I like a warm thick flavorful almost "wet" vape, currently I'm using a dual twisted 26ga micro coil with ten wraps each at .30 ohms, which pushes over 55 watts. I don't do that for clouds, I do it for flavor! I definitely consider myself a flavor chaser and the flavor I'm getting off this .30 dual twisted 26ga setup is fantastic, really a blissful vaping experience.