why does this clapton need so much power?

[The60WattGUY]

Hey guys
I have a question that bothers me
I build a rda with 2 claptons they are .85ohm each 26x32g dualcoil build came out to .42-.5 it varies...
Anyway since its .5 in dual thats pretty high resistance but even at 80watts its not performing well,i tried setting it to voltage and to 4.2v that equals to like 50watts? Thats even worse, i set it then to 8v which is 125watts its a bit better still slow ramp but its actually producing vape hits lol but how does a ohm this high need 125watts?
My mind is blown isnt it usually .1-.2 resistances that go that high?
This is .5 lol
Im confused seriously debating taking it out and going for wire that heats up quicker and lower ohms maybe a .15 or .2 at 40g outer?
I like to vape around 60-90 watts def under 100 but thats impossible with this clapton i wonder why?
rda is Tengu Geekvape airflow honneycomb fully open,if i close it more airflow wont be lined up and reduces flavor (bad design) reviewers also say to leave it open..

Anyway im curious,advise?

 

[Mordacai]

That's odd @The60WattGUY, I'm getting a figure of around 35 Watts for a 0.5 build.

The only thing that comes to mind is that something weird is going on with the RDA. So a teardown, clean and rebuild would be my first idea to try.

If you don't get any joy from that it may be time to try another RDA, Thunderhead Creations Tauren Max for dual coil and the new Blaze SOLO for single coil come to mind.

Other good single coil ones too are Cuthulu Mods Mjölnir and Atmizoo Creek, but they're out of production and hard to come across. But they're bottom airflow RDA's that give good to great flavour.

 

[Mordacai]

Oh, forgot to ask what metal your coils are?

That'll make a difference, as mass needs to be considered as well as ohms.

 

[ShamrockPat]

I build a rda with 2 claptons they are .85ohm each 26x32g dualcoil build came out to .42-.5 it varies...

From your coil description, that denotes a single core coil. Is that correct?

I'd say that 32g outer wrap plays a large factor in your slow ramp up. I'd look for an outer wrap of at least 36g.

 

[The60WattGUY]

Oh, forgot to ask what metal your coils are?

That'll make a difference, as mass needs to be considered as well as ohms.

Oh its nic80 .85ohm claptons at 26x32g in dual coil came out to .5 or so should be lower but sometimes if i take rda off mod and put back on its in the .4ish super weird i have to throw so much power to it is it because my Tengu rda has alot of airflow? So its staying cool =no vapor?

Edit:my bad the prebuild bottle thing doesnt say what it just says for kernel 26xg A1 and wrapped 32g A1 whatever that means doesnt say anywhere if its nic or ss or kanthal

 

[The60WattGUY]

From your coil description, that denotes a single core coil. Is that correct?

I'd say that 32g outer wrap plays a large factor in your slow ramp up. I'd look for an outer wrap of at least 36g.

Im using dual coils 2 of them its just they are .85ohm a piece came out to .4-.5 for dual

 

[Mordacai]

Oh its nic80 .85ohm claptons at 26x32g in dual coil came out to .5 or so should be lower but sometimes if i take rda off mod and put back on its in the .4ish super weird i have to throw so much power to it is it because my Tengu rda has alot of airflow? So its staying cool =no vapor?

Edit:my bad the prebuild bottle thing doesnt say what it just says for kernel 26xg A1 and wrapped 32g A1 whatever that means doesnt say anywhere if its nic or ss or kanthal

Ah, so Kanthal. Which means they should have a lower mass as the resistance with Kanthal is higher.

Another thing to try then as well is to get some more Kanthal coils with a lower resistance, they'll be much bigger than what you're using.

I'm thinking of going down to around 0.2 ohms total for dual coils.

That's because the Tengu has a lot of airflow.

If you want to try building your own coils I have a really simple option, Kanthal flat wire 25AWG (0.6mm × 0.2mm). A 3mm ID coil is what you'll probably need to build, unfortunately I can't tell you how many wraps you'll need though.

But flat wire is easy to work with and produces a good vape, could even try 25AWG Ni80 flat wire too for lower resistance and a faster ramp up.

 

[The60WattGUY]

Ah, so Kanthal. Which means they should have a lower mass as the resistance with Kanthal is higher.

Another thing to try then as well is to get some more Kanthal coils with a lower resistance, they'll be much bigger than what you're using.

I'm thinking of going down to around 0.2 ohms total for dual coils.

That's because the Tengu has a lot of airflow.

If you want to try building your own coils I have a really simple option, Kanthal flat wire 25AWG (0.6mm × 0.2mm). A 3mm ID coil is what you'll probably need to build, unfortunately I can't tell you how many wraps you'll need though.

But flat wire is easy to work with and produces a good vape, could even try 25AWG Ni80 flat wire too for lower resistance and a faster ramp up.

Oh so just plain regular kanthal and nic80 round/flat wire will taste as good as claptons/exotic? Im more a flavor chaser but at .5 the one im using performance is pretty bad unless i up it to near 100watts and thats just crazy for at a .5 imo
ill try a coil next thats heats up faster and see if they work better..
im not sure if its the ramp up being at fault cause after vaping it for a while it should be warmed up but vapor production is very mediocre for it being 80watts,open airflow and 70vg juice any idea why? They do glow evenely no hotspots

 

[Coyote628]

Oh so just plain regular kanthal and nic80 round/flat wire will taste as good as claptons/exotic? Im more a flavor chaser but at .5 the one im using performance is pretty bad unless i up it to near 100watts and thats just crazy for at a .5 imo
ill try a coil next thats heats up faster and see if they work better..
im not sure if its the ramp up being at fault cause after vaping it for a while it should be warmed up but vapor production is very mediocre for it being 80watts,open airflow and 70vg juice any idea why? They do glow evenely no hotspots

When I build coils, I use only kanthal. I've vaped on pre made coils and I've twisted my own coils and I never could tell much difference. My go-to is 22ga round kanthal. I'll do 7 wraps on 2.5 mm mandrel and a dual setup gives me right at .22ohms. I get just as good from this as any other I've tried.

 

[Mordacai]

Oh so just plain regular kanthal and nic80 round/flat wire will taste as good as claptons/exotic? Im more a flavor chaser but at .5 the one im using performance is pretty bad unless i up it to near 100watts and thats just crazy for at a .5 imo
ill try a coil next thats heats up faster and see if they work better..
im not sure if its the ramp up being at fault cause after vaping it for a while it should be warmed up but vapor production is very mediocre for it being 80watts,open airflow and 70vg juice any idea why? They do glow evenely no hotspots

Not round wire, flat wire is what you'll be looking for. As it allows more surface area in contact with the wicking.

0.8mm × 0.2mm 25AWG.

Try Kanthal first, Ni80 second if the performance of the Kanthal is kind of meh.

 

[Mordacai]

An example of some flat wire for you @The60WattGUY, an offcut of some 0.8mm × 0.2mm 25AWG SS316L.

I use Stainless Steel myself because I vape using TC mode.

But hopefully with the picture now you'll understand what I meant, it makes simple coils with a large surface area in contact with the wicking. Plus you can buy decent length spools of it for reasonable prices.

 

[Berenulf]

Hey guys
I have a question that bothers me
I build a rda with 2 claptons they are .85ohm each 26x32g dualcoil build came out to .42-.5 it varies...
Anyway since its .5 in dual thats pretty high resistance but even at 80watts its not performing well,i tried setting it to voltage and to 4.2v that equals to like 50watts? Thats even worse, i set it then to 8v which is 125watts its a bit better still slow ramp but its actually producing vape hits lol but how does a ohm this high need 125watts?
My mind is blown isnt it usually .1-.2 resistances that go that high?
This is .5 lol
Im confused seriously debating taking it out and going for wire that heats up quicker and lower ohms maybe a .15 or .2 at 40g outer?
I like to vape around 60-90 watts def under 100 but thats impossible with this clapton i wonder why?
RDA is Tengu Geekvape airflow honneycomb fully open,if i close it more airflow wont be lined up and reduces flavor (bad design) reviewers also say to leave it open..

Anyway im curious,advise?

Heys, you don't need lower ohms, you need a thinner wire. The ohms illustrate roughly how hard your bats/mod have to push to get the current flow, so maybe its running at its limits. 26gx32g is in my books a thick ... wire, in duals it will take even more amps and volts to get to the watts needed. Depends on the twist count, go lower on the twist counts, try maybe 4/5 twist and decide from there, if it goes too hot you can add a few, if it doesent ramp up as needed, you need a thinner wire. Lower ohm wire needs more flow to heat up, higher ohm will heat up better, but a thick low ohm wire needs a lot pushing from bats to heat up, so more volts. Lower ohm wire will need more amps. Maybe not entirely true, but the picture I roughly have in my head, when trying to make a build work.

Its all I know so far, hope it helps. The temperature is critical for the vaporation of e juice, the thickness of coil counts toward the volume of vapor, in high vg e juice its critical the mass of wire, that it can vaporate enough juice at once to produce a flavour at all, in thinner wire you need higher pg, cause they dont produce overall enough vapour to produce a sound flavour, while higher pg will make it easier to evaporate and PG carries massively more flavour, with thick coils it evaporates too fast, causing the temps to ramp up too rapidly, causing spitback and a too hot vape to handle, also the PG hit would be brutal.

So to get a good vape, all this has to line up perfectly.

Wish you luck, hope it will help you solve your issue.

 

[Berenulf]

Lowering the ohms by adding twist count, only will show how much more heat is produced overall over the whole heating element, coil. So you have still a low ohm wire, which needs a lot of power to heat up, only now you have fairly more of that low ohm wire to heat up, so if your mod could handle that wire at low twist count, could easily mean that in dual coil setup and on an insane twist count, it maybe just can't.

You have to take into count the overall mass of metal being heated. Claptons helps in my opinion only in this manner, that it eases the heating of the same amount of metal, because the smaller wires heat up faster, helping the thicker wire heat up aswell. So if you had the same chunk of metal, claptons would ramp up faster, but doesen't mean it wouldnt take the same amount of current flow as the same metal in the form of one round wire. Also simple ribbon ramps up faster. The faster ramp up could also mean it easily overheats causing a burnt hit, so you couldnt take a long nice drag. If you want a long nice drag full of flavour, go for a simple round wire that ramps up adequately to your mods/bats and atomizer.

Much twists in the duals? What VG/PG, what atomizer?

Also if you want to DL massive clouds, dont use juice that has any kind of menthol, eucalyptus, it is too harsh for DL....for me atleast

 

[The60WattGUY]

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An example of some flat wire for you @The60WattGUY, an offcut of some 0.8mm × 0.2mm 25AWG SS316L.

I use Stainless Steel myself because I vape using TC mode.

But hopefully with the picture now you'll understand what I meant, it makes simple coils with a large surface area in contact with the wicking. Plus you can buy decent length spools of it for reasonable prices.

Thank you i get some money the 20th and ill order a spool and give it a go

 

[The60WattGUY]

Lowering the ohms by adding twist count, only will show how much more heat is produced overall over the whole heating element, coil. So you have still a low ohm wire, which needs a lot of power to heat up, only now you have fairly more of that low ohm wire to heat up, so if your mod could handle that wire at low twist count, could easily mean that in dual coil setup and on an insane twist count, it maybe just can't.

You have to take into count the overall mass of metal being heated. Claptons helps in my opinion only in this manner, that it eases the heating of the same amount of metal, because the smaller wires heat up faster, helping the thicker wire heat up aswell. So if you had the same chunk of metal, claptons would ramp up faster, but doesen't mean it wouldnt take the same amount of current flow as the same metal in the form of one round wire. Also simple ribbon ramps up faster. The faster ramp up could also mean it easily overheats causing a burnt hit, so you couldnt take a long nice drag. If you want a long nice drag full of flavour, go for a simple round wire that ramps up adequately to your mods/bats and atomizer.

Much twists in the duals? What VG/PG, what atomizer?

Also if you want to DL massive clouds, dont use juice that has any kind of menthol, eucalyptus, it is too harsh for DL....for me atleast

Thanks im using 70vg 20pg sometimes 60/40 or 80/20 i diy....
Also the new i use now is dual fused clapton 26x2g x 40g this is thinner right? But its also lower ohms =/ my amps did increase i saw on calculator but at 80 watts im at 4.2v and 19amps my mod is dual battery with 2 samsung r25 20amps its amps are shared right?
Can you tell me a good coil build for 70-80watts that doesnt eat up amps?
And is 4.2v even enough power for this coil?

 

[Berenulf]

Thank you i get some money the 20th and ill order a spool and give it a go

With that material and especially this wire type, I would stronly recomment using a DNA mod, because ss316l changes resistance rapidly while heating up, so if you dont use a dna mod, you can only take a few short drags without scorhing your wicking.

FYI

 

[The60WattGUY]

With that material and especially this wire type, I would stronly recomment using a DNA mod, because ss316l changes resistance rapidly while heating up, so if you dont use a dna mod, you can only take a few short drags without scorhing your wicking.

FYI

Ill pass on SS then lmao i do have lost vape mods with quest, 2.0 chip that good ?

 

[Berenulf]

Thanks im using 70vg 20pg sometimes 60/40 or 80/20 i diy....
Also the new i use now is dual fused clapton 26x2g x 40g this is thinner right? But its also lower ohms =/ my amps did increase i saw on calculator but at 80 watts im at 4.2v and 19amps my mod is dual battery with 2 samsung r25 20amps its amps are shared right?
Can you tell me a good coil build for 70-80watts that doesnt eat up amps?
And is 4.2v even enough power for this coil?

For dual? Try maybe ni80 24g, 2,5 ID 6 twists for starters, it comes out 0.2 ohm build, shouldnt be too hard for your batteries, should go around at 20A and 4v, 80W. Havent built too much on duals, so its just a rough guide to start somewhere.

 

[Berenulf]

Ill pass on SS then lmao i do have lost vape mods with quest, 2.0 chip that good ?

ss is poor on flavour and even cloud, for ss wire dna only.

 

[Berenulf]

Thanks im using 70vg 20pg sometimes 60/40 or 80/20 i diy....
Also the new i use now is dual fused clapton 26x2g x 40g this is thinner right? But its also lower ohms =/ my amps did increase i saw on calculator but at 80 watts im at 4.2v and 19amps my mod is dual battery with 2 samsung r25 20amps its amps are shared right?
Can you tell me a good coil build for 70-80watts that doesnt eat up amps?
And is 4.2v even enough power for this coil?

You mean 80VG/20pg? 70/30 is best for eas of use, and it doesent spit up so bad as thinner juice. with 80vg I have found, that standard wicking doesen't work, you end up with burnt hits or vapour with barely any taste. Also the juice isnt supplied enough, your wire heats up, so the amps and volts do aswell as resistance goes up with wire heating, gradually. Dual battery in serial or parallel? Parallel you can add them up, volts remain same, in serial amps count by one and volts are added up.