I also thought it looked just like burnt on sugar..but I have tried all the stuff that is supposed to be good for dissolving burnt on sugar with no luck at all.
Why/how do atomizers die?
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I also thought it looked just like burnt on sugar..but I have tried all the stuff that is supposed to be good for dissolving burnt on sugar with no luck at all.
After looking at it again it actually looks like tar from an analog cig.
Actually, I think platinum would work better. I know they use platinum in RC glo plugs. I'm sure someone on here has to have thought of trying this. Plus it only needs 1.5v to heat up red hot.
you suspect wrongly...its not just a pic of one good atomizer.. just a pic of what they look like after xxxx puffs...
the problems is the wick stuff the atomizer heater wire is wrapped around...
when new it absorbs fluid.. the more it gets used the less it absorbs fluid..
"as new performance" are the key words.. if its wanted or needed atomizers nave to be replaced after around 5000 puffs.. just a rough ball park figure but its not far out..
buy cheap and replace often for best performance..
a heavy user soon makes the 5000 puff figure...
e cigs were never designed to replace a 30 a day haver smokers habit... ruyan made them for occasional use "social smoking".. a few hours a week at the most..
once you know this the rest becomes very very clear...
a £6 atomizer every two weeks aint expensive.. £3 quid a week.. whats the problem... ????
trog
platinum is used in RC glow plugs for a simple reason.. it acts as a catalyst which sets fire to the methanol fuel.... no other reason..
the electric current is just to start them.. once running the heat and the catalyst effect keeps them going..
RC glow plugs dont last long ether... he he
if you wanna know.. ask an expert.. he he
its kinda boring knowing the answer thow.. no needs for pages and pages of forum "may bes" then.. sad aint it... he he
trog
ps... i repeat...
the electric current is just to start them.. once running the heat and the catalyst effect keeps them going..
RC glow plugs dont last long ether... he he
if you wanna know.. ask an expert.. he he
its kinda boring knowing the answer thow.. no needs for pages and pages of forum "may bes" then.. sad aint it... he he
trog
ps... i repeat...
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It might be that the sugar is created from the PG / VG in the high temperature environment of the heating coil.
Also, it looks like the material inside the coil is not connected to the liquid via the wire mesh, so what is it there for, just a former for winding the coil?
Also, it looks like the material inside the coil is not connected to the liquid via the wire mesh, so what is it there for, just a former for winding the coil?
when i first saw one i thought it was there just to support the heater coils give them physical strength so to speak.... the first one i looked was just a black lump
but it seems to be like lighter wick material.. the liquid gets drawn into the little ceramic pot thru the holes in the sides..
the liquid comes from the wire wool (this is factory primed) that surrounds the little ceramic pot.. this get re-wetted by the liquid in the cart as the heater uses it up..
what seems to happen is the little piece of wick material soaks up some liquid from the little pot... the liquid that is soaked up gets heated and vaporized by the near red hot wire coil which is wrapped around the wick..
all very simple.. all very neat.. but its a semi disposable item.. if its sold as such there is no problem.. when it costs fifty f-cking dollars and the buyer is conned into believing its something else there is a problem..
the e cig industry loves me.. he he
trog
ps... this information should be stickied.. one can guess why its not...
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Daniel at Puresmoke was so nice & told me how to clean the atomizer. He suggests holding it with tongs over a steaming teapot for 2-3 minutes, then blow it out the best you can. Repeat this process 2-3 times & then let it sit & dry for 2-3 hours. Once dry at 2 drops of liquid directly to the atomizer & with a fresh cart, after 40-50 puffs it should be good to go. I forgot to ask him how often you should clean it so any advice there would be appreciated. Also, why does it take 40-50 puffs for it to be good to go?
My experience is that the 401/pilot/EVO atomizer just doesn't last like the 901. I have also has 901 atomizers last for months, not so with the EVO. Like Trog said, have a lot of em on hand. I clean em and everything, just doesn't seem to matter in the long run.
Happy birthday to my EVO atomizer, it's 1 month old today without any problem whatsoever =D And that's the only device I've ever used, vaping around 2 ml a day, direct dripping and topping my cart to make it last 2-3 days, depending on when i completely chew it out =D
As far as maintenance, i only blow and let it sit overnight whenever i feel like that, maybe 2 times a week.
I am more and more thinking that it's just luck of the draw with whatever brand you choose, too many different reports on the various atomizers life/performance.
As far as maintenance, i only blow and let it sit overnight whenever i feel like that, maybe 2 times a week.
I am more and more thinking that it's just luck of the draw with whatever brand you choose, too many different reports on the various atomizers life/performance.
Didn't think of titanium, it actually got a slightly lower melting point than platinum, not sure if thats important.
About 1/5th of the price of platinum though
Also 4 times the resistance per length of a given diameter, so probably more suitable there as well.
Good idea.
The problem is that it's £6 every two weeks for each atomizer you're using (I'm using 6 atm, soon to be 9 for different flavours),
If there was a significantly more expensive bit much longer life design buyable, I certainly would.
Looks like the fibre is simple silica (i.e some sort of glass-fibre),
the wire is Nichrome, so cheap materials all round then.
After taking many of these apart where the coil still heats but no vapor is produced--this statement right here is the only one so far that makes sense---Sun
Yep, it's all the darn fiber's fault, they get gunked up and the heat degrades them, or the self destruct (cleaning) cycle kills them flat out. If some manufacturer would get on the ball and make just the fiber/ coil part replaceable e-smoking would be much more enjoyable/affordable. Ludo argued that most consumers wouldn't want to fiddle with tiny pieces to replace this little part, but I think that if you made a tool that grabs the coil/fiber and made prongs so that all you would have to do was plug it in, nobody would mind.
i agree with the wick not holding liquid theory, but still think the major cause of that is burning. if you are careful enough about not letting your unit hit high temps. , they can last a long time, which does explain why some people appear to be more "lucky" than others. i think they are just running them cooler. the cutoff stops you from taking one long drag, not from taking shorter drags one after another until it goes into meltdown. i still think these things should shut down when they hit a certain temp. it would save the mfr.'s and sellers a lot of warranty swapouts.
Didn't think of titanium, it actually got a slightly lower melting point than platinum, not sure if thats important.
About 1/5th of the price of platinum though
Also 4 times the resistance per length of a given diameter, so probably more suitable there as well.
Good idea.
The problem is that it's £6 every two weeks for each atomizer you're using (I'm using 6 atm, soon to be 9 for different flavours),
If there was a significantly more expensive bit much longer life design buyable, I certainly would.
Looks like the fibre is simple silica (i.e some sort of glass-fibre),
the wire is Nichrome, so cheap materials all round then.
Some atomizers use kevlar, most are fiber glass. For the most part the atomizer is wrapping 3ohms worth (16ohms/ft) of nichrome wire around a small strand. This can be done without any tools. However the design is entirely faulty to begin with. As you can see from Trog's pics (thanks!) the coil is damaged and cannot be cleaned without physical contact or chemical stripping. A few reasons why these atomizers die is because of poor assembly, e-juice caking onto the coil, user error, and the deadly "cleaning mode" on an empty cart. Of course when the ecig enters cleaning mode with lots of juice dripped in it, you can bet it cakes even more **** onto your already caramelized atomizer. Aside from poor assembly (made in china for dirt cheap) theres a design fault.
1. The heating elements should be completely insulated from liquid, yet directly heat the liquid fast and hot enough to compare or exceed current "atomizers." In this fashion it can be cleaned thoroughly without damaging any heating elements.
2. The element should not exceed critical failure temperatures (1400℃) during normal operation (10s x 5/1min ON period) regardless of the presense of liquid-vapor cooling.
3. The element should not be subjected to extreme temperature changes rapidly.
4. The element should be assembled by proper and capable technicians that can assemble the atomizer to last 6 months on a 90% success or better specifications.
5. Element should be capable of producing 300cal in heat with given power supply.
6. If the above criteria is not met, you have an atomizer that sucks and is designed to fail within an unreasonable time span.
However the current passing through the element is very real, the heat produced is very real, the ejuice caking onto the atomizer is very real. In this day and age there is no technology that would allow a portable instant heat producing device without any wear and tear. But this does not mean you should be blowing atomizers left and right.
I've tried all kinds of things from glow plugs to different materials for winding, but ended up with something remarkably simple using nichrome+fiberglass+carbon materials... It's all about design. If these didn't fail how would they make money off the product? And if they did make one that lasted a year, what would they charge you for it? The R&D that went in isn't free, future parts sales are gone, someone from China will rip off the design and build it cheaper... There's no justifying the cost. I beleive the prices are what they are now because of the market. Changing the current system is futile.
That being said I abuse the ever living crap out of my DIY atomizer design for testing purposes, and they will continue to glow red until I have achieved my own said standards for a "good" working atomizer design.
For regular vaping I openly admit to using a KB. About a week into it, I have a non-critical switch issue thats being taken care of by their awesome customer care service. I really can't complain given the circumstances that I have a ready made product that gets shipped to my door and a customer service agent that rules.
If you don't want to worry - you can buy a warranty. Chances are it will break over and over. It's like new cars, the price of the warranty pays for 5-6 cars but when it craps out you feel a warm fuzzy comfort feeling in your chest and you can go to sleep knowing you are ok. How many $ is that fuzzy feeling worth to you is the correct question to be asking.
Didn't think of titanium, it actually got a slightly lower melting point than platinum, not sure if thats important.
About 1/5th of the price of platinum though
Also 4 times the resistance per length of a given diameter, so probably more suitable there as well.
Good idea.
The problem is that it's £6 every two weeks for each atomizer you're using (I'm using 6 atm, soon to be 9 for different flavours),
If there was a significantly more expensive bit much longer life design buyable, I certainly would.
Looks like the fibre is simple silica (i.e some sort of glass-fibre),
the wire is Nichrome, so cheap materials all round then.
nah come one... if u are evenly cycling around ten bloody atomizers they are gonna last ten times as long now aint they...
thats one atomizer every two weeks or ten atomizers every twenty weeks..
plus atomizers are not the biggest cost for these things... batteries are.. they work about at two £8 quid batteries every two weeks..
let me alter my life factor thing... equal one week to 2500 puffs..
make those 2500 puffs last as long as u want..
but the idea is simple and its cheap.. i see no easy way to improve it... i doubt any new atomizer technolgy will come a long soon.. a so its learn to live and cope with what we have..
trog
wow zeitgeist, sign me up! It is absolutely a fact that atomizers should last a minimum of 3 months, be easy to clean, and have a way to replace wicks. People have made comparisons to light bulbs and they should be as cheap and easy to replace as light bulbs. These aren't novelty items for us, but high use devices. The failure rate of current vaporizers is really unacceptable.
I'd love to see designs that live up to the ease of maintenance and dependability of my trusty (though no longer used!) Zippo lighter.
I'd love to see designs that live up to the ease of maintenance and dependability of my trusty (though no longer used!) Zippo lighter.
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mu.zeitgeist,
thats some pretty specific info you've got there.
Not sure I'd want to risk dragging on a hot wire wrapped around kevlar, sounds dodgy.
Do your glow-plug (are they platinum wire?) ones work better or longer ?
1400'C is critical cos its the melting point of nichrome?
Sounds like you're taking it seriously, if you get it right .... don't forget to share
trog100.
you're right, cycling them makes them last longer,
but I not sure it's proportionately longer - my original 3 -->one dead & two dying after a month of medium usage.
Got more now, but either way it just seems far too short a life span for the price to me.
thats some pretty specific info you've got there.
Not sure I'd want to risk dragging on a hot wire wrapped around kevlar, sounds dodgy.
Do your glow-plug (are they platinum wire?) ones work better or longer ?
1400'C is critical cos its the melting point of nichrome?
Sounds like you're taking it seriously, if you get it right .... don't forget to share
trog100.
you're right, cycling them makes them last longer,
but I not sure it's proportionately longer - my original 3 -->one dead & two dying after a month of medium usage.
Got more now, but either way it just seems far too short a life span for the price to me.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...anufacturers-suppliers-whats-my-atomizer.html
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Some eliquids leave less residue than others but the residue builds up to clog the atomiser. I haven't found an effective cleaning method or substance yet.
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Some eliquids leave less residue than others but the residue builds up to clog the atomiser. I haven't found an effective cleaning method or substance yet.
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