Why those "Anti-Smoking At All Cost"-People **** me off...

[flexy123]

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I am getting angry reading

"I think that things that help people to quit are very good, like approved products that help people to quit," Prof. Kelli-an Lawrance, a tobacco researcher at Brock University's Community Health Sciences department, told CTV.ca.
"I think that these particular devices are being marketed with the intention of keeping people smoking...They're not smoking them to try to quit. And so I think that that's a really big issue."

For god's sake..let's assume that ecigs are *really* healther than analoges. Let's also assume that some people actually WANT and ENJOY smoking.
Do i want to quit?

No. Do i enjoy smoking? Yes. Do i enjoy e-smoking? HELL YESS!!!

So...it cannot and must not be a criteria to ban ecigs because "...they dont help people quit". I am not planning to quit esmoking.. if its really 1000x "healthier" than inhaling carcinogens ..why would i?

The problem with those "anti smoking at all costs" people is that they dont accept anything else than to stop smoking *entirely*

What if there is a likelihood that e-smoking is indeed 100% non cancer causing, 1000x safer than real cigs?

As adults we should have the right to decide whether we want our daily nic fix, maybe with some nice flavors. Maybe we' addicted to nic...so what? I am also addicted to coffee. So what? The point is there is a possibilty it might NOT cause cancer and deaths anymore - and this is the important thing here.
If you only see it from a perspective "does it help stop smoking?" you're totally missing the point!

 

[Tobay]

You have no ideas how many ignorant people I ran into everyday....Don't let it bother you.

 

[jamie]

I agree and posted a similar message in a News thread yesterday. They've completely forgotten what is their business vs. what is not their business. tobacco cessation and anti-smoking and 'cancer' groups (you'd think they would be anti-cancer groups)... too few professionals and too many activist moralists. And much too much Pharma and Tobacco settlement money.

This is an area where the slippery slope has really come to be true.

 

[fenez]

people have a bad habit of not knowing how to mind their own biz. Smokers are among the most reviled of any group, I like smoking but for some reason people feel they have the right to decide that I shouldn't be allowed to do so. You can do all the drugs or drink all you want and people will try to help you with rehab & give you a reality show, then applaud you for your courage. But if you smoke it's like you killed someone. It's total dogma.

 

[Malicedoll]

I'm with you.. I like to smoke -- i have liked to smoke for a long time.. too long perhaps but i find it enjoyable. I didn't want to quit... so now i don't have to.. I don't see what the big deal is... I also find having a glass of wine enjoyable and sometime.. god forbid.. i eat some candy or have a cheeseburger.. all of these things are "horrible" for me as well.. but you don't see people picketing McDonalds or screaming at the gov't to close down all See's candy locations..

 

[Slender]

+1

I'm with you too. You are absolutely right flexy123!

 

[Loogie]

even if there was 0% nicotine in every e-cig, they would have something negative to say since e-smoking is a competitor to the tobacco industry. god forbid we save lives and prevent the millionaires in big tobacco from getting even richer. I honestly believe, due to the creation of cigarettes that is, that this has a chance to be one of the greatest inventions ever. and I'm only on day 2.

 

[Skad]

One of my oldest friends is one of those people who instantly cough when she sees a cigarette lit, even 30 yards away from her. I'm waiting to see how she reacts when I vape around her.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

For the longest time, there was no alternative. You either smoked or you didn't. There was NO third option....

Additionally-they've had decades of being on the "moral high ground" and the "we have to save you from yourself" mindset. The anti's have spent alot of time looking down their noses at the second-class smokers and "putting us in our place."

We are not going to change this mindset tomorrow - decades of hard work have gone into the "stop smoking" mindset, and it's going to take decades to reverse it, even if what we have is the holy grail!

 

[Frankie]

Some of that hard work was also done by smokers who smoked in their faces just because it was legal. The perceived image of a smoker as an arogant ....... is not entirely without our own fault. Remember the man who replied to "whining" about his smoke being unpleasant "I paid for that, b-tch!"

 

[lilygirl]

The no smoking fanatics in Canada say we cost the medicare system billions. The statistics recently showed that the biggest health costs are related to obesity and diabetes. So there. Anyway if I added up all the tax $ I've paid on cigarettes over the last 30 years it will very well pay my medical care. Not to mention the medicare deduction on each and every pay cheque. I'm vaping now but I'm just waiting to see how the government will find a way to tax it.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

Some of that hard work was also done by smokers who smoked in their faces just because it was legal. The perceived image of a smoker as an arogant ....... is not entirely without our own fault. Remember the man who replied to "whining" about his smoke being unpleasant "I paid for that, b-tch!"

You are absolutely correct, Frankie - some of our predecessors were arrogant ....ards.

 

[rsmith76]

The anti smoking groups should be allowed to express their opinion. With that said, they should also be allowed to pay the smokers share of taxes! Then they would have a right to complain. Funny how alcohol taxes haven't been increased lately. I have said it before, next time you leave the bar at closing time, pray the car heading towards you is a smoker and not a drinker. I can vape all day and all night, and still drive safely. Can the alcohol users do the same? Obesity and diabetes are quickly becoming the #1 killer in the world. Maybe the fda sould ban sugar and fast foods before banning the e cig. Welcome to the forum Malicedoll. You will find good people here and lots of good info.

rsmith76

 

[surbitonPete]

The anti-smokers should really take a look at themselves because these days they have the same, crazy mentality of a lynch mob...it's all gone way beyond normal, it's obsessive.

 

[Loogie]

I was telling some people at my job about my e-cig, and a few people were genuinely interested. then this one girl comes over and says, "Just stop smoking!" and changes the subject. she was basically determining within 3 seconds of hearing about it, that my entire problem can be solved with her easy method of stopping.

I wish people who have never been addicted to anything could at least try and understand that addiction is a real thing. they see those few people that can just give up cold turkey and be okay, and think it's that easy for all smokers.

 

[Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah]

I was telling some people at my job about my e-cig, and a few people were genuinely interested. then this one girl comes over and says, "Just stop smoking!" and changes the subject. she was basically determining within 3 seconds of hearing about it, that my entire problem can be solved with her easy method of stopping.

I wish people who have never been addicted to anything could at least try and understand that addiction is a real thing. they see those few people that can just give up cold turkey and be okay, and think it's that easy for all smokers.

I usually tell people like this: Ok, I'll make you a deal..... I'll just stop smoking and you just stop breathing.....

 

[jamie]

I was telling some people at my job about my e-cig, and a few people were genuinely interested. then this one girl comes over and says, "Just stop smoking!" and changes the subject.

It's hard not to reply, "Just stop being an a$$hole," but that would be unfair cuz it's so much easier to stop smoking.

 

[TheBandit]

I agree. I prefer to refer to them as the militant anti-smoking crowd. I've also been referring to us smokers as the lepers of the new age for many years now.

Unfortunately, what people do not realize is that this mentality can and will end up being turned on everybody. In my mind, when you pass judgement on somebody else, based on whether or not you think that their actions are "healthy", then you open yourself up to this same type of judgement.

The authorities, aka govt, will quickly jump on this mentality for it's own gains. Before you know it, people will be wondering how we ended up with a govt mandated exercise quota, or have to pay a tax. And salt, sugar, caffiene, etc. (anything possibly unhealthy) taxed as well, if not illegal.

 

[Malicedoll]

Welcome to the forum Malicedoll. You will find good people here and lots of good info.

rsmith76

Thanks! I am enjoying myself quite a bit!