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... well the bill got past the preliminary hearing :( amidst the preponderance of evidence offered. This is what we are fighting. The mighty dollar!

It doesn't mean we lie down and die. Someone else quoted "I'd rather die vaping standing than smoking on my knees", but it does mean the road is very long. FWIW the FDA lost their appeal to appeal and their stay on the injunction. The short of the report was sex and travel. Regardless they still can appeal to the Supreme Court. Will they more than likely, will they be successful, from "points of law" no, but one never knows how many judges are part of the "process"

Although, they were told to... this still only applies for Sotera (njoy). The remaining vendors still have to file using Soteras precedent in their filing to dease and decist.

Posted for those who still believe we live in a democracy.


Mike Siegel sent the following letter on January 23, 2011.

Dear Members of the Health Committee of the New York State Assembly:

You have a unique opportunity to save thousands of lives Tuesday when you decide whether to allow ex-smokers to remain ex-smokers by continuing to keep themselves off tobacco cigarettes with the use of electronic cigarettes.

To be very clear, passage of Assembly Bill A01468 would force thousands of ex-smokers in New York State to return to cigarette smoking by taking electronic cigarettes off the market in the state. In addition, it would prevent current smokers who want to quit from successfully quitting smoking using the most effective method currently available - vaping - thus causing immense damage to the public's health.

The bill's justification claims that electronic cigarettes contain diethylene glycol - an ingredient in anti-freeze - and carcinogens and therefore must be removed from the market because there is no evidence that they are any safer than regular cigarettes. However, this justification is factually inaccurate on both counts.

First, although diethylene glycol was detected more than 18 months ago in one cartridge of one brand of electronic cigarettes, there is no evidence that it is present in any of the more than 100 other brands of electronic cigarettes on the market. Multiple companies have had their products tested for diethylene glycol and none of the samples have turned up positive. It appears that the presence of diethylene glycol was an isolated anomaly caused by one company's errant use of a non-pharmaceutical grade of propylene glycol. Readers should note that pharmaceutical grade propylene glycol does not contain any appreciable quantities of diethylene glycol.

Second, the bill's justification ignores the fact that the levels of carcinogens found in electronic cigarettes were only trace levels - comparable to those present in nicotine patches and nicotine gum. In fact, the relevant finding from the FDA's testing was that the level of tobacco-specific nitrosamines in electronic cigarettes was more than 1000 times lower than that present in Marlboro, the most commonly smoked cigarette in New York State. Thus, there is no scientific doubt that switching from tobacco cigarettes to electronic cigarettes will substantially reduce a smoker's risk of developing cancer.

Why would the New York State Assembly want to take away from both current smokers and ex-smokers the choice to use a product that is demonstrably much safer than cigarettes and which also appears to be far more effective than nicotine replacement therapy in reducing both the craving and desire to smoke?

The majority of smokers who have switched to electronic cigarettes report an immediate and dramatic improvement in their health. If this bill passes, these largely ex-smokers will be forced to return to cigarette smoking and these health gains will be decimated.

There are few public policies that, if enacted, will almost certainly result in an increase in morbidity and mortality. Assembly Bill A01468 is, unfortunately, one of them.

It is certainly reasonable to prohibit the sale of electronic cigarettes to minors. But New York Assembly members have a unique opportunity to save lives on Tuesday by voting to delete section 2 of the bill, which bans the sale of electronic cigarettes to adults, and retain section 1, which merely prohibits the sale of this product to minors.

The Scientific Evidence

A new study I co-authored which was published online ahead of print last month in the Journal of Public Health Policy was the first to comprehensively review the scientific evidence about the safety and effectiveness of electronic cigarettes (see: Cahn Z, Siegel M. Electronic cigarettes as a harm reduction strategy for tobacco control: A step forward or a repeat of past mistakes? Journal of Public Health Policy; 9 December 2010; doi:10.1057/jphp.2010.41).

After reviewing 16 laboratory studies of the constituents of electronic cigarettes, we conclude that electronic cigarettes are much safer than the real ones and therefore show tremendous promise in the fight against tobacco-related morbidity and mortality. Nevertheless, the FDA and several states are threatening to ban them from the market, an action that would benefit the tobacco companies at the expense of the public’s health.

The FDA and major anti-smoking groups keep saying that we don’t know anything about what is in electronic cigarettes. The truth is, we know a lot more about what is in electronic cigarettes than regular cigarettes. Our review shows that carcinogen levels in electronic cigarettes are up to 1,000 times lower than in tobacco cigarettes. No other constituents have been detected at levels that are of significant health concern. Thus, using electronic cigarettes (also called vaping) appears to be much safer than smoking. Taking these products off the market would force thousands of vapers to return to cigarette smoking. Why would the FDA and the anti-smoking groups want to take an action that is going to seriously harm the public’s health? The only ones who would be protected by a ban on e-cigarettes are the tobacco companies, as these new products represent the first real threat to their profits in decades.

Regarding the relative safety of electronic cigarettes, the study concludes that “few, if any, chemicals at levels detected in electronic cigarettes raise serious health concerns. Although the existing research does not warrant a conclusion that electronic cigarettes are safe in absolute terms and further clinical studies are needed to comprehensively assess the safety of electronic cigarettes, a preponderance of the available evidence shows them to be much safer than tobacco cigarettes and comparable in toxicity to conventional nicotine replacement products.”

The study also reviews preliminary evidence that electronic cigarettes can be effective in suppressing the urge to smoke, largely because they simulate the act of smoking a real cigarette. The fact that bothers the anti-smoking groups the most – that vaping looks like smoking – is precisely the fact which appears to make e-cigarettes an effective tool for smoking cessation.

Regarding the effectiveness of electronic cigarettes for smoking cessation, the study concludes as follows: “Although more research is needed before we will know how effective electronic cigarettes are at achieving smoking abstinence, there is now sufficient evidence to conclude that these products are at least capable of suppressing the urge to smoke.” There is also reason to believe that they offer an advantage over traditional nicotine delivery devices, the study argues, because smoking-related stimuli alone have been found capable of suppressing tobacco abstinence symptoms for long periods of time.

The article concludes: "The evidence reviewed in this article suggests that electronic cigarettes are a much safer alternative to tobacco cigarettes. They are likely to improve upon the efficacy of traditional pharmacotherapy for smoking cessation." While more research is needed, the article concludes that electronic cigarettes show promise as a harm reduction strategy and that removing them from the market would substantially harm the public’s health.

Thank you for taking the time to review the scientific evidence, and to consider this perspective, before casting your vote on this important issue.

Sincerely,


Michael Siegel, MD, MPH
Professor
Department of Community Health Sciences
Boston University School of Public Health
801 Massachusetts Avenue, 3rd Floor
Boston, MA 02118


If the aforementioned letter holds no weight whatsover in the democratic process. Then are we truly living in a democracy. Think about it!
 

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I honestly don't understand how Altria hasn't jumped on this and released an e-Marlboro as of yet.
Seems like a no-brainer for them and they have more than enough capital.

I would love to see the tobacco industry jump in. I expect the quality of the juice and devices would be excellent. They would also be widely available locally. The downside will be taxes but they are coming either way.
 

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I would love to see the tobacco industry jump in. I expect the quality of the juice and devices would be excellent. They would also be widely available locally. The downside will be taxes but they are coming either way.

I would rather pay exorbitant prices to vape than an outright ban. I had to buy analogs over the last two days due to bizarre equipment failure (and one idiot of a boyfriend). Wouldn't have happened if that future had come to pass.
 

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I would love to see the tobacco industry jump in. I expect the quality of the juice and devices would be excellent. They would also be widely available locally. The downside will be taxes but they are coming either way.

The downside besides taxes should BT take over the industry, or at least get involved, which I believe they will is, what will be in the liquid? If we are to take a benchmark off cigarettes... I'm all for some form of regulation, I'm just not sure who at this point, as no key players play above board.
 

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The downside besides taxes should BT take over the industry, or at least get involved, which I believe they will is, what will be in the liquid? If we are to take a benchmark off cigarettes... I'm all for some form of regulation, I'm just not sure who at this point, as no key players play above board.

Well, of course they would have to ban all flavours. Might encourage minors to vape. ;)
 

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Well, of course they would have to ban all flavours. Might encourage minors to vape. ;)
Already happening. Read something about Greensmoke discontinuing their flavors other than tobacco and menthol for california after some legal trouble with the attorney general.

But I guess all the pot is ok with them... geez.
 

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The downside besides taxes should BT take over the industry, or at least get involved, which I believe they will is, what will be in the liquid? If we are to take a benchmark off cigarettes... I'm all for some form of regulation, I'm just not sure who at this point, as no key players play above board.

Unless you DIY you have no idea whats it your juice now. At least with BT, they can be sued down the road and there will be a ton of antis looking for an excuse to do just that.

The other difference now is that the FDA will be regulating ecigs as tobacco products. The contents of the juice will be subject to much scrutiny.

I look forward to the day I can go pick up a 5 pack of carts from the local smoke shop and know that the nic level is exact, the dose per puff is consistent and that all ingredients are pharmaceutical grade.
 

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I look forward to the day I can go pick up a 5 pack of carts from the local smoke shop and know that the nic level is exact, the dose per puff is consistent and that all ingredients are pharmaceutical grade.

I also agree that there is a lot of good that can come out of regulating the e-cig market, but with all of the higher standards will no doubt bring pretty hefty taxes. They will have to make up somehow for all of the money they are gonna loose on tobacco products, lol. Maybe they will realize what a weight this will lift off of the health care industry with all of the smoking-related disease/death/illness and us addicts may catch a break for once (though I won't hold my breath)

Well, of course they would have to ban all flavours. Might encourage minors to vape. ;)

Luckily the flavors will always be readily available through candy suppliers online. Hopefully they won't ban flavorless, but even if they do, I am quite fond of my peach tobacco right now, and have been playing around with a coffee tobacco flavor that I don't mind too much. So although we may loose many of the flavors we have come to love, there is nothing to stop us (besides the law, mwahahaha) from modifying what they choose to define as legal. OMG I can just see it now, I'm gonna get arrested because the cops could smell my banana vape from a mile away LMAO.
 
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