getting the cotton size right is driving me nuts. tho i'm not sure if its not the cold . I can build a head and it will hit like a tank ,but when i'm at work in the morning driving my work truck it begins to flood and gurgle.
Would it be that unsafe to simply do a "test" with unboiled cotton?
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getting the cotton size right is driving me nuts. tho i'm not sure if its not the cold . I can build a head and it will hit like a tank ,but when i'm at work in the morning driving my work truck it begins to flood and gurgle.
Hm, anyone know what could have been the causes for the hot leg and half-coil heat-up on the Kanger head? Some water built up in the rubber? A coil with a pop in it? Some weird short in either the head or my battery?
Btw, I just wrapped my first coil - with a thick christmas ball hook! Not going to use it at all, it's just practice. The wire was short and thick as heck though, only got 3 wraps, but it looks virtually perfect. I'm sure the thicker wire is easier to keep even though.
Btw, I just wrapped my first coil - with a thick christmas ball hook! Not going to use it at all, it's just practice. The wire was short and thick as heck though, only got 3 wraps, but it looks virtually perfect. I'm sure the thicker wire is easier to keep even though.
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What you're describing sounds like what happens to me if I manage to roll my cotton wick (main, not flavour) too tightly - there's just some sort of overly saccharine-tinged vapour.
I'm thinking you have a short i n your head.....ahem....definitely a short in your head.
just happened to be the easiest place for heat to build up.
contact coils are generally one reason people switch to cotton. it's easy to thread through a coil you just made as opposed to making a coil around your wick. with contact coils, one wrap lends it's heat to the next focusing the heat at the coil instead of at the legs. like so...
you want to wrap the coil around something like a drill bit, blunt needle or other tool shaft, remove it from the shaft then pinch the coils together with something like a pair of tweezers. then while you have them held together heat it with a lighter or mini torch until the coil glows. let it cool while still pinched and repeat the process until all winds of the coil maintain in contact.
then install that coil and be easy on the wick. not too thick.
good luck.
Well, on the 2nd Kanger head I have, I managed to very carefully take out the silica and insert a cotton wick, and used a small cotton flavor wick on top of that. Again, just that cotton candy type taste. Sure, it's fairly clean, but I sure don't taste the juice very much at all.
I mean, I'm trying to use as little cotton as I can - it's not swelling much once it's saturated, I'm wetting it down before I vape it to make sure. Anything less that what I just put in there would probably cause some gurgling, though I guess I can still try to thin down the flavor wick.
I mean, I'm trying to use as little cotton as I can - it's not swelling much once it's saturated, I'm wetting it down before I vape it to make sure. Anything less that what I just put in there would probably cause some gurgling, though I guess I can still try to thin down the flavor wick.
Suggestion: don't use questionable wick material. When in doubt, boil it 15+ minutes, rinse, and repeat if necessary. I boil all my wick material for at least an hour total, two or three cycles minimum. Silica, cotton, hemp, whatever. If it tastes different from your expectations, the wick material is culprit #1. Once the wick material is clean you can move on from there. This is assuming you are rebuilding/re-wicking yourself. I can't address stock/brand name coils, I don't work for... anybody.
If I can use a keyboard to type this, boiling some water is easy and this is a great time of year to heat up the home a bit. I don't know what your tap water is like, but I use distilled or bottled/filtered water. I would also suggest you dry your wick material after boiling it, ~200F in the oven for a few hours will work without burning anything. You can skip the cleaning and drying if you must, but most wick material will absorb anything in the air during it's life and this taste could easily dominate you vaping flavor experience. Imagine cotton balls that lived in the cosmetics section for weeks or months before you bought them, no e-liquid will overpower that stench.
Best of luck, may you find the elusive "good news!" you search for.
If I can use a keyboard to type this, boiling some water is easy and this is a great time of year to heat up the home a bit. I don't know what your tap water is like, but I use distilled or bottled/filtered water. I would also suggest you dry your wick material after boiling it, ~200F in the oven for a few hours will work without burning anything. You can skip the cleaning and drying if you must, but most wick material will absorb anything in the air during it's life and this taste could easily dominate you vaping flavor experience. Imagine cotton balls that lived in the cosmetics section for weeks or months before you bought them, no e-liquid will overpower that stench.
Best of luck, may you find the elusive "good news!" you search for.
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I really do want to get a good vape, and in the end, if I absolutely get stuck at a dead end after rebuilding and everything, boiling and cleaning will be what I must do...
I'm just confused as to why I got such good flavor from my Cisco atty. I'm sure Cisco is a laborous vendor (they build their own atomizers and such in the US), but I just don't see them truly cleaning all of their silica as one of their main steps. They very well could (I'm fixing to ask them exactly what they do) but for some reason, their atomizer worked for me, just like any normal atomizer or head should.
For what it's worth, the Cisco is has a big long microcoil with wire that is definately thicker than anything in a stock PTII head... maybe the average wire found in normal atties just doesn't give me the taste I enjoy? Even without re-wicking the PTII heads, I wouldn't get much flavor from them; the wire in these heads are so thin, and there's so little of it, that I just don't see how it actually vaporizes much of the juice or flavorings, and that could be another reason why these heads seem to gunk up like instantly for me.
I'm just confused as to why I got such good flavor from my Cisco atty. I'm sure Cisco is a laborous vendor (they build their own atomizers and such in the US), but I just don't see them truly cleaning all of their silica as one of their main steps. They very well could (I'm fixing to ask them exactly what they do) but for some reason, their atomizer worked for me, just like any normal atomizer or head should.
For what it's worth, the Cisco is has a big long microcoil with wire that is definately thicker than anything in a stock PTII head... maybe the average wire found in normal atties just doesn't give me the taste I enjoy? Even without re-wicking the PTII heads, I wouldn't get much flavor from them; the wire in these heads are so thin, and there's so little of it, that I just don't see how it actually vaporizes much of the juice or flavorings, and that could be another reason why these heads seem to gunk up like instantly for me.
That because it takes more "big thick" wire to get those ohms. It takes more "thick" wire to get to 2.5 ohms than it would "thin" wire. The more surface area, the more vapor but heat is heat. They both vaporize liquid the same. You told us you already knew all this stuff.
It's not only the processing chemicals that are being boiled off. Cotton is not considered a food product, so the types of insecticides they can use are in a different class. So, along with the processing agents people have concern over, there are the harsh pesticides sprayed all over the plants during growth. I always boil twice, and rinse well to get that crap out. Boil, drain, rinse, boil, drain, rinse, rinse, rinse, rinse, dry.
Not worth the risk of inhaling atomized pesticides.
Not worth the risk of inhaling atomized pesticides.
ok after some analysis of your posts i am starting to see somethings you may need in your evaluations:
first: usually an over sweet taste is from the vapor/coil not getting hot enough leading to an oversaturation effect that makes many juices taste like cotton candy this is in effect unvaporized VG.
second: many, if not all, of the cheaper tanks from china use nichrome wire, which to many people has a flavor they do not enjoy i am also one of them. on average most people will rebuild with Kanthal A1 which is more neutral.
Third: Silica can not be lumped under one single product description, there are many tpes and forms of silica rope with a few of them going through different post production treatments, some are very pure and clean, and I suspect cisco is making an effort to use better grade silica in their attys. where china may be using whatever they get their hands on. this would explain the difference in taste.
all it would take in that case is for cisco or others is to change wire and silica to change the experience greatly. very many people claim that 100% pure polished german silica rope is some of the best for neutrality you can get.
it may be a case of what your really having a problem with and what you keep noticing is just the low grade of silica many devices choose to use on top of building crappy nichrome coils that dont function correctly - hence why so many have better results rebuilding the same heads with different materials.
ove the past 1 1/2 years I have been though many types and suppliers of silica rope to find some that is pretty neutral in flavor.
not all materials are made equal and this must be accounted for when evaluating devices and builds.
A perfect example of this is when someone asks what to use we just say "get some kanthal from temco" and everyone goes and picks up a spool which happens to be the A1 blend that is popular when in reality there are several blends of kantal A, A1 all the way down to D.
so the reality is while we all use kanthal a1 it is in fact a blanket name for all their products and is the name of the company that has the rights to the metallurgical blends that come from "the Kanthol group"
same thing with silica - just because they say it is made with silica it is not all manufactured the same exact way.
first: usually an over sweet taste is from the vapor/coil not getting hot enough leading to an oversaturation effect that makes many juices taste like cotton candy this is in effect unvaporized VG.
second: many, if not all, of the cheaper tanks from china use nichrome wire, which to many people has a flavor they do not enjoy i am also one of them. on average most people will rebuild with Kanthal A1 which is more neutral.
Third: Silica can not be lumped under one single product description, there are many tpes and forms of silica rope with a few of them going through different post production treatments, some are very pure and clean, and I suspect cisco is making an effort to use better grade silica in their attys. where china may be using whatever they get their hands on. this would explain the difference in taste.
all it would take in that case is for cisco or others is to change wire and silica to change the experience greatly. very many people claim that 100% pure polished german silica rope is some of the best for neutrality you can get.
it may be a case of what your really having a problem with and what you keep noticing is just the low grade of silica many devices choose to use on top of building crappy nichrome coils that dont function correctly - hence why so many have better results rebuilding the same heads with different materials.
ove the past 1 1/2 years I have been though many types and suppliers of silica rope to find some that is pretty neutral in flavor.
not all materials are made equal and this must be accounted for when evaluating devices and builds.
A perfect example of this is when someone asks what to use we just say "get some kanthal from temco" and everyone goes and picks up a spool which happens to be the A1 blend that is popular when in reality there are several blends of kantal A, A1 all the way down to D.
so the reality is while we all use kanthal a1 it is in fact a blanket name for all their products and is the name of the company that has the rights to the metallurgical blends that come from "the Kanthol group"
same thing with silica - just because they say it is made with silica it is not all manufactured the same exact way.
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That's sort of where my suspicions lay - I don't want to go saying that I'm some taste tester expert, but for me, I've been around a lot of materials throughout just having some experience on construction fields and such, and throughout that, you taste and smell everything, both combusted and not combusted. I know if something tastes burnt such as in a gunk or coil buildup (a natural, organic tasting crud), something synthetic that's being burned or heated (a harsher, acidic bite),something that tastes metallic (a sort of machine-like taste), something that tastes like oil (pretty self-explanitory), or something that tastes relatively clean but isn't delivering a full flavor.
For me and my devices, unilaterally, what has been the extreme factor in almost any head or coil I try is a "synthetic burn", which to me, tastes like it's coming directly from the silica - no other factors seem to be coming through, like oil or gunk or simply a harsh air that doesn't have a taste. In my iClear 30, it tasted as though the silica was literally melting. In the PTII, it was pretty much always that exact experience too, but a little less harsh. In the Aro tank, the burn tasted more like charcoal, like either instant gunking or possibly a machine-like taste. In my Cisco, the performance did go very downhill after 30 minutes, but it still continues to simply taste like a coil dirtied up with heavy juice - nothing terrible or that "bad", just a very gunked juice-like taste, a little like an ashtray at most (I did use some NET's on it.)
So for me, I've been pretty adamant that despite what anyone says, that it seems as though the silica in some of these devices is not too high grade and isn't too tolerable to heat as other types may be. Even if these particular devices weren't wicking that well, the silica taste in some have been terrible, and in others, more diminished. Even if the wick is even only slightly moist, it shouldn't taste as bad as some of the tastes I've gotten. It constantly makes me assume that the particular heads I happened to get were made with some really low grade silica.
The only other factors I know that could play into it is of coarse, very, very poor wicking (something my particular tweaks never could help), a coil that is simply built wrong or made out of wire that doesn't perform correctly (overlapped coils, hot legs, ect ect - many of the heads showcased those things), or some issue that's causing the coils to get too hot way too quick, pretty much just instantly heating that wick without giving the juice a chance to really shine in the flavor, or possibly that the coil is staying way too cold. I couldn't say for sure, there's too many factors to accurately test and see, even in the simplest of builds.
All I know is that when it comes to cleaning the devices with soap, soda, bleach, any other crazy thing that some people here suggest, I'm simply not the one who's going to go that far; I've only now just gotten comfortable with trying alcohol. I'm much more concerned about the chemicals I vape than many members here, and that's simply my personal choice. I won't even boil any of my tanks because half of them do have glue in them, I've already seen so many members say that the glue has melted from a boil. Somewhere down the line though, I have to say that it really doesn't taste like there's been oil or machine residue in virtually any device I try, the burn is always much more acidic than that, and I also have to say that I'm just not the one who's going to use potentially harmful ingredients just to get other harmful ingredients out. I really have to mark contaminants and cleanliness of my list of factors because that's nothing I can change and no vendors really promote cleaning in anything other than alcohol or water.
So marking that off, the only factors I know of that I can change are A. Juices. B. Coils. C. Wicking material. and D. Air flow. For me and RDA's, what I want is one with adjustable airflow, I want to build a microcoil because it's easier to clean and the length of it and the fact that it heats up in the center makes a lot of sense to me, for pulling juice inward, C. I want to use the highest grade coil and wicking materials I can, and with juice, well, I always test with the thinnest, lightest ones I can. Seems like that whole deal might be the only way I have a chance of finding the vape that works for me.
Because, as it is, with the devices I've tried, they all taste like I'm literally melting silica and smoking it. In no way is a vaping coil supposed to really taste like that. I re-wicked the 2nd PTII head with no real problem, so I feel like I'm good with my hands and my techniques, and though the taste didn't shine, I at least wasn't burning the cotton, so I know that I'm not behaving like an ape with a stick, concerning my draw technique and all that. The cotton in the PTII is at least tasting clean, so I know I did something halfway right. The real question is wether the coils are actually any count. If they're not even heating up juice enough to give a taste, even at like 4.1V's, then to me, it just seems to prove both the heads I re-wicked were faulty (and one of them actually was, by proof). Could have been my entire problem all along, even when the silica was in it. In the first head, as I dry burned the coil, it specifically had a leg that'd turn red instantly, then one half of the coil would finally turn red, and the other half wasn't even turning on at all, or barely did. This specifically could have given me a vapor that was half light and cotton-candy like, and half super hot dry silica, which is the exact experience on the PTII.
Yeah, anyway, sorry for rambling, I'm just trying to sort out factors, but the post above about the silica was extremely informative and it's a topic I'm going to be doing research on out the A until I figure out what's the best combination for me.
For me and my devices, unilaterally, what has been the extreme factor in almost any head or coil I try is a "synthetic burn", which to me, tastes like it's coming directly from the silica - no other factors seem to be coming through, like oil or gunk or simply a harsh air that doesn't have a taste. In my iClear 30, it tasted as though the silica was literally melting. In the PTII, it was pretty much always that exact experience too, but a little less harsh. In the Aro tank, the burn tasted more like charcoal, like either instant gunking or possibly a machine-like taste. In my Cisco, the performance did go very downhill after 30 minutes, but it still continues to simply taste like a coil dirtied up with heavy juice - nothing terrible or that "bad", just a very gunked juice-like taste, a little like an ashtray at most (I did use some NET's on it.)
So for me, I've been pretty adamant that despite what anyone says, that it seems as though the silica in some of these devices is not too high grade and isn't too tolerable to heat as other types may be. Even if these particular devices weren't wicking that well, the silica taste in some have been terrible, and in others, more diminished. Even if the wick is even only slightly moist, it shouldn't taste as bad as some of the tastes I've gotten. It constantly makes me assume that the particular heads I happened to get were made with some really low grade silica.
The only other factors I know that could play into it is of coarse, very, very poor wicking (something my particular tweaks never could help), a coil that is simply built wrong or made out of wire that doesn't perform correctly (overlapped coils, hot legs, ect ect - many of the heads showcased those things), or some issue that's causing the coils to get too hot way too quick, pretty much just instantly heating that wick without giving the juice a chance to really shine in the flavor, or possibly that the coil is staying way too cold. I couldn't say for sure, there's too many factors to accurately test and see, even in the simplest of builds.
All I know is that when it comes to cleaning the devices with soap, soda, bleach, any other crazy thing that some people here suggest, I'm simply not the one who's going to go that far; I've only now just gotten comfortable with trying alcohol. I'm much more concerned about the chemicals I vape than many members here, and that's simply my personal choice. I won't even boil any of my tanks because half of them do have glue in them, I've already seen so many members say that the glue has melted from a boil. Somewhere down the line though, I have to say that it really doesn't taste like there's been oil or machine residue in virtually any device I try, the burn is always much more acidic than that, and I also have to say that I'm just not the one who's going to use potentially harmful ingredients just to get other harmful ingredients out. I really have to mark contaminants and cleanliness of my list of factors because that's nothing I can change and no vendors really promote cleaning in anything other than alcohol or water.
So marking that off, the only factors I know of that I can change are A. Juices. B. Coils. C. Wicking material. and D. Air flow. For me and RDA's, what I want is one with adjustable airflow, I want to build a microcoil because it's easier to clean and the length of it and the fact that it heats up in the center makes a lot of sense to me, for pulling juice inward, C. I want to use the highest grade coil and wicking materials I can, and with juice, well, I always test with the thinnest, lightest ones I can. Seems like that whole deal might be the only way I have a chance of finding the vape that works for me.
Because, as it is, with the devices I've tried, they all taste like I'm literally melting silica and smoking it. In no way is a vaping coil supposed to really taste like that. I re-wicked the 2nd PTII head with no real problem, so I feel like I'm good with my hands and my techniques, and though the taste didn't shine, I at least wasn't burning the cotton, so I know that I'm not behaving like an ape with a stick, concerning my draw technique and all that. The cotton in the PTII is at least tasting clean, so I know I did something halfway right. The real question is wether the coils are actually any count. If they're not even heating up juice enough to give a taste, even at like 4.1V's, then to me, it just seems to prove both the heads I re-wicked were faulty (and one of them actually was, by proof). Could have been my entire problem all along, even when the silica was in it. In the first head, as I dry burned the coil, it specifically had a leg that'd turn red instantly, then one half of the coil would finally turn red, and the other half wasn't even turning on at all, or barely did. This specifically could have given me a vapor that was half light and cotton-candy like, and half super hot dry silica, which is the exact experience on the PTII.
Yeah, anyway, sorry for rambling, I'm just trying to sort out factors, but the post above about the silica was extremely informative and it's a topic I'm going to be doing research on out the A until I figure out what's the best combination for me.
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I like doing this> 
People pour Bleach in wells to kill bacteria - And still drink their water.
Bleach can be used in emergencies to purify drinking water. - Think Hurricane, power outages.
Also consider this - Processing does not stop at ADD BLEACH - FDA would flip out. Bleached products are rinsed thoroughly to prevent continuing erosion.
* Muriatic Acid is another No no........oh really! Works great in swimming pools.
One Mans Fear is another Mans Fix.
People pour Bleach in wells to kill bacteria - And still drink their water.
Bleach can be used in emergencies to purify drinking water. - Think Hurricane, power outages.
Also consider this - Processing does not stop at ADD BLEACH - FDA would flip out. Bleached products are rinsed thoroughly to prevent continuing erosion.
* Muriatic Acid is another No no........oh really! Works great in swimming pools.
One Mans Fear is another Mans Fix.
^I just tried for a thinner flavor wick, and just got some gurgling and the same exact taste. With the coil wick, I tried to be as light on the cotton as I could, rolling it softly as I could, but trying to thread cotton through that little coil without the help of any extra wire as a feed simply required at least a little bit of roll and strength to the cotton - I don't feel like the wick is very large, thick, or super tight though, and every time I check it, it looks soaked as can be. Looks even a little flimsy, yet strong to the point it at least doesn't flood with a cotton flavor wick on there, and where the coil is at least touching the wick evenly.
I don't know, either my taste buds are immune to burnt cotton, or the cotton simply isn't burning, but I do taste the powdery taste of the cotton, it's like I'm sticking cotton to my tongue. Not unpleasant but not really something I'd vape, it's a very odd effect. But mainly I'm doing some adjustments here and there with the cotton flavor wick, not exchanging the cotton coil wick, and I can't get the taste of the juice to come through - I can only get a very powedered, almost slightly downer pink-cotton-candy type vape, and this is supposed to be a deep, rich, rum juice. It seems as though it's wicking well enough where no scorch marks at all are appearing on the cotton, and I don't seem to be getting a dry hit... and there's generally a good amount of vapor, nothing signalling a weak performance there, just, the flavor attempt is a fail... it also makes some pretty loud crackling noises every now and then so I'm kinda of backing away from the experiment as we speak.
I dunno, I don't think this is something I expected to figure out just with rewicking a Kanger head, it's just an experiment. At least it tastes generally clean, for as far as I'll test it. There's a vendor in my town opening up supposedly on the 30th (they've delayed about 20 times), and they have all sorts of supplies, 3 gauges of kanthal, ecowool, couple different types of silica, rebuildables, all sorts of things, so that's gonna be my time to finally get something built. 10 days away! (Hope to god...) I hope they have an adjustable air-flow atomizer though, they have the Pheonix for $15 which isn't too bad a price for being able to look at it before I buy, but I want something where that air-hole will not end up being a problem...
I don't know, either my taste buds are immune to burnt cotton, or the cotton simply isn't burning, but I do taste the powdery taste of the cotton, it's like I'm sticking cotton to my tongue. Not unpleasant but not really something I'd vape, it's a very odd effect. But mainly I'm doing some adjustments here and there with the cotton flavor wick, not exchanging the cotton coil wick, and I can't get the taste of the juice to come through - I can only get a very powedered, almost slightly downer pink-cotton-candy type vape, and this is supposed to be a deep, rich, rum juice. It seems as though it's wicking well enough where no scorch marks at all are appearing on the cotton, and I don't seem to be getting a dry hit... and there's generally a good amount of vapor, nothing signalling a weak performance there, just, the flavor attempt is a fail... it also makes some pretty loud crackling noises every now and then so I'm kinda of backing away from the experiment as we speak.
I dunno, I don't think this is something I expected to figure out just with rewicking a Kanger head, it's just an experiment. At least it tastes generally clean, for as far as I'll test it. There's a vendor in my town opening up supposedly on the 30th (they've delayed about 20 times), and they have all sorts of supplies, 3 gauges of kanthal, ecowool, couple different types of silica, rebuildables, all sorts of things, so that's gonna be my time to finally get something built. 10 days away! (Hope to god...) I hope they have an adjustable air-flow atomizer though, they have the Pheonix for $15 which isn't too bad a price for being able to look at it before I buy, but I want something where that air-hole will not end up being a problem...
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Well, that's certainly Goodnews! A local b&m with plenty of supplies, a rebuildable atomizer, 3 gauges of Kanthal, all sorts of different wicking materials, hopefully some adjustable airflow, your technical prowess.....it's a Christmas Miracle! Hard as I try, I can't find one potential problem in the whole adventure! We want VIDEO!!!
I really have to tell the truth on this one, sort of as an alternate emotional output to what I usually try and say around here:
I really didn't want to get into rebuildables. I can't stress how much of a pain it's going to be on me. Some tremors and bad motor skills don't make anything better at all, and when it always come down to it with vaping, I wanted to be the guy in my town that introduces people into vaping - it's truly something that you don't see here in my town, and I have buddies in all sorts of subgroups of people that really would love it, depending if I put a certain green sticker on my battery or not. Beyond wanting desperately to not smoke cigarettes (as I instantly quit whenever I have a working device), beyond loving a great vape and loving trying out new juices, one big thing I wanted to do was have a great vape, let people try a great vape, and sort of be the guy that is known for introduce something just neat as all get-out to my social circle (before ya'll poke jokes, I'll go ahead and say that my social circle is more like a social line of just 3 dots...)
It's just that there's no way, even if others were to love vaping too, that they'd ever take the steps I have to get a good result, nor will they ever take the steps that I'm still continuing to take. Everyone has preferences and different tongues, but with the vapes I have been getting from various devices, I truly do know that not one person would have enjoyed it, and on a personal level, I sure didn't either. The working vape has alluded me completely, and it's taken so much money, happiness, and desired plans away from my life. Only a couple months ago, I purchased a little battery kit that had a CE4 in it (as a last-ditch effort after trying multiple tanks and figuring my battery was an issue), and beyond all negative reviews on those, the flavor on this particular one was outstanding, even better than my Cisco, and on that day, I thought to myself, "Finally, a miracle, who cares if this thing is a simple, newbie device, it's amazing!"
10 heads later on the very same one, not one head worked right after that. Beyond one amazing head, each one after that tasted like absolute crap and I did not one thing different. It's been some various timelines involved, but it's been the same thing with the Protank, the Aro, the iClear 30, various generic pre-built carto-barrel drippers, the Aspire was like a %50 benchmark toward getting toward what I've experienced with my Cisco and that one rare CE5 head, the Smokin Crow was another %50-ish benchmark, and sadly to say, I only hope the RDA's will be my %100.
And what ya'll have to understand, is my %100 is not too picky. As long as my flavors don't taste like sweat or shoe polish or cotton candy, and don't taste like silica or burnt cotton, I'm good. My mindset is that beyond those 4 or 5 factors, vaping is good no matter what type of vape it is. I truly don't have to be tasting the cream and coffee on two separate levels of a Coffee & Cream juice to be satisfied, I just don't want it to taste like a burnt spot on a hamburger. It should at least taste like an old fashioned cup of coffee that has generally been sweeted and creamed up so that it doesn't taste like black coffee beans. I don't want a burned taste in any juice I use, but unless the dimished flavor causes a funky taste, like sweat or fish oil or something weird (and it usually always does with e-juices), then I don't care if the flavors are just sort of "there" and at least pretty full, or oppositely performing a ballet on my tongue. If I get a strawberry juice, at the very least, I just want it to taste like a fake old piece of candy, and just somewhat of at least a denser taste. Not acid or charcoal or polyfil or pink cotton candy.
And I know anyone I introduce a vape to would feel the same way. I mean, if I can go down to the adult shop, buy a little bottle of tobacco flavoring, drip it on a cigarette, and have it taste tremendously better than anything I get in a vape, something is very, very wrong. If the menthol in my cigarettes gives a better, more authentic taste than the fishy, sweaty menthol flavors I've gotten in even the best of mint or menthol vaping, something is wrong. If I can find a flavored cigar that tastes better than my vape, then something is terribly, horrendously, without question wrong, as those things are just horrid.
But alas, I haven't been able to fix it, and obviously I've tried everything in my own power to get a good vape, because I do like vaping when it performs. I really do simply adore it, it's quite the obsession. But it seems like every turn I make, something's screaming at me, "Don't do this." It won't be long before I follow the advice... RDA's will be my last straw, and of coarse, I'll probably be spending a good month trying to get a good vape, I really know nothing in the real world about RDA's and building my own coil, but unless I can tackle it in a month, it's goodbye vaping and waiting til something better eventually comes along. I used to be very interested in alcohol as a hobby, I'd get all fancy with tasting new whiskeys and bourbons and different things, and hey, alcohol never once let me down in flavor. Certainly more throwing up after a bunch of it than any iClear 30 has done to me, but you know, the negatives have to correlate with some type of reward...
P.S. For the sake of argument and responding to people who've been pretty rude to me on other threads, I have sounded like a taste purist, but I'm really not at all. I actually do truly understand where some people come from if there is a slight taste, like cardboard, in a vape that they enjoy, particularly from cartomizers. Believe it or not, every now in then, in like a Blu disposable or such, I'll taste the slightest essence of dried skin, and because it's slight and because it's not acidic, extremely sour, or chemically, I don't mind it at all and it's actually an interesting taste. But I repeat - it's fine when it's a small nuance and not an overwhelming part of the vape. Depends on the nuance too, I absolutely hate a nuance of silica.
I really didn't want to get into rebuildables. I can't stress how much of a pain it's going to be on me. Some tremors and bad motor skills don't make anything better at all, and when it always come down to it with vaping, I wanted to be the guy in my town that introduces people into vaping - it's truly something that you don't see here in my town, and I have buddies in all sorts of subgroups of people that really would love it, depending if I put a certain green sticker on my battery or not. Beyond wanting desperately to not smoke cigarettes (as I instantly quit whenever I have a working device), beyond loving a great vape and loving trying out new juices, one big thing I wanted to do was have a great vape, let people try a great vape, and sort of be the guy that is known for introduce something just neat as all get-out to my social circle (before ya'll poke jokes, I'll go ahead and say that my social circle is more like a social line of just 3 dots...)
It's just that there's no way, even if others were to love vaping too, that they'd ever take the steps I have to get a good result, nor will they ever take the steps that I'm still continuing to take. Everyone has preferences and different tongues, but with the vapes I have been getting from various devices, I truly do know that not one person would have enjoyed it, and on a personal level, I sure didn't either. The working vape has alluded me completely, and it's taken so much money, happiness, and desired plans away from my life. Only a couple months ago, I purchased a little battery kit that had a CE4 in it (as a last-ditch effort after trying multiple tanks and figuring my battery was an issue), and beyond all negative reviews on those, the flavor on this particular one was outstanding, even better than my Cisco, and on that day, I thought to myself, "Finally, a miracle, who cares if this thing is a simple, newbie device, it's amazing!"
10 heads later on the very same one, not one head worked right after that. Beyond one amazing head, each one after that tasted like absolute crap and I did not one thing different. It's been some various timelines involved, but it's been the same thing with the Protank, the Aro, the iClear 30, various generic pre-built carto-barrel drippers, the Aspire was like a %50 benchmark toward getting toward what I've experienced with my Cisco and that one rare CE5 head, the Smokin Crow was another %50-ish benchmark, and sadly to say, I only hope the RDA's will be my %100.
And what ya'll have to understand, is my %100 is not too picky. As long as my flavors don't taste like sweat or shoe polish or cotton candy, and don't taste like silica or burnt cotton, I'm good. My mindset is that beyond those 4 or 5 factors, vaping is good no matter what type of vape it is. I truly don't have to be tasting the cream and coffee on two separate levels of a Coffee & Cream juice to be satisfied, I just don't want it to taste like a burnt spot on a hamburger. It should at least taste like an old fashioned cup of coffee that has generally been sweeted and creamed up so that it doesn't taste like black coffee beans. I don't want a burned taste in any juice I use, but unless the dimished flavor causes a funky taste, like sweat or fish oil or something weird (and it usually always does with e-juices), then I don't care if the flavors are just sort of "there" and at least pretty full, or oppositely performing a ballet on my tongue. If I get a strawberry juice, at the very least, I just want it to taste like a fake old piece of candy, and just somewhat of at least a denser taste. Not acid or charcoal or polyfil or pink cotton candy.
And I know anyone I introduce a vape to would feel the same way. I mean, if I can go down to the adult shop, buy a little bottle of tobacco flavoring, drip it on a cigarette, and have it taste tremendously better than anything I get in a vape, something is very, very wrong. If the menthol in my cigarettes gives a better, more authentic taste than the fishy, sweaty menthol flavors I've gotten in even the best of mint or menthol vaping, something is wrong. If I can find a flavored cigar that tastes better than my vape, then something is terribly, horrendously, without question wrong, as those things are just horrid.
But alas, I haven't been able to fix it, and obviously I've tried everything in my own power to get a good vape, because I do like vaping when it performs. I really do simply adore it, it's quite the obsession. But it seems like every turn I make, something's screaming at me, "Don't do this." It won't be long before I follow the advice... RDA's will be my last straw, and of coarse, I'll probably be spending a good month trying to get a good vape, I really know nothing in the real world about RDA's and building my own coil, but unless I can tackle it in a month, it's goodbye vaping and waiting til something better eventually comes along. I used to be very interested in alcohol as a hobby, I'd get all fancy with tasting new whiskeys and bourbons and different things, and hey, alcohol never once let me down in flavor. Certainly more throwing up after a bunch of it than any iClear 30 has done to me, but you know, the negatives have to correlate with some type of reward...
P.S. For the sake of argument and responding to people who've been pretty rude to me on other threads, I have sounded like a taste purist, but I'm really not at all. I actually do truly understand where some people come from if there is a slight taste, like cardboard, in a vape that they enjoy, particularly from cartomizers. Believe it or not, every now in then, in like a Blu disposable or such, I'll taste the slightest essence of dried skin, and because it's slight and because it's not acidic, extremely sour, or chemically, I don't mind it at all and it's actually an interesting taste. But I repeat - it's fine when it's a small nuance and not an overwhelming part of the vape. Depends on the nuance too, I absolutely hate a nuance of silica.
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I don't understand why you would say that if RBA's don't work out after a month you would quit vaping (and yes I have been following the Good News! Posts).
You have said that the Cisco atty has been working great, so if RBA's aren't your thing due to tremors or whatever why wouldn't you stay with the Cisco that has been working?
I get dripping can be a pain, which is why I went with a Reo (bottom feeder). That sounds like it would be out of your price range, but a VMOD probably would be in your price range. They have sales quite often, sometimes as much as 1/2 price. There atty's also have really good reviews. If you stick with the same type of atty's as the Cisco you don't have to worry about medical issues stopping you from rebuilding or boiling water for cotton.
Wouldn't sticking with what works, or using a system that compliments what is working for you be better than going back to smoking?
Well, the Cisco really fell flat on flavor after about 30 minutes (my fault, I believe - using it incorrectly, trying NET's on it, ect ect) and they're supposedly a pain in the .... to clean, I haven't even done it yet because it's such a pain. They're also $9 ($14 or something, in all, for shipping), so I'm hoping to build my own coil and master the art of dripping and finding out which ohm range and all that mess works best for my juices before I put down any more money on the Cisco's.
Once I master that, I'll definately be looking at the Cisco's again and consider if Reo-type dripping could be something I enjoy, since the Cisco did give me a heavenly vape for a short period of time, but I know I need some more education before I try and get them to last weeks on end like they're supposed to.
Worst case scenario, I'll keep smoking and keep checking back into the vaping community every few months to see if any radical inventions come along. Maybe save up for some sort of vape convention where I could hopefully try out everything under the sun and see what works for me on hand (for the life of me, I don't see why vendor shops would rather send freebies to reveiwers than actually have one of the tanks set up for flavor testing!) and just wait for better things. But idk, once I buy an RDA, it'd probably have to come close to killing me before I give up on it, just... if I still fail after a month, and can't get the hang of the Cisco cleaning, then yeah... my vaping story would probably come to a close for a little bit.
Once I master that, I'll definately be looking at the Cisco's again and consider if Reo-type dripping could be something I enjoy, since the Cisco did give me a heavenly vape for a short period of time, but I know I need some more education before I try and get them to last weeks on end like they're supposed to.
Worst case scenario, I'll keep smoking and keep checking back into the vaping community every few months to see if any radical inventions come along. Maybe save up for some sort of vape convention where I could hopefully try out everything under the sun and see what works for me on hand (for the life of me, I don't see why vendor shops would rather send freebies to reveiwers than actually have one of the tanks set up for flavor testing!) and just wait for better things. But idk, once I buy an RDA, it'd probably have to come close to killing me before I give up on it, just... if I still fail after a month, and can't get the hang of the Cisco cleaning, then yeah... my vaping story would probably come to a close for a little bit.
GN, listen, buddy...do you read your own posts? If not, please go back and read through your posts....read thoroughly. You want to talk about how people have been rude to you. Now, you're playing the victim? I've been rude to you. I admit it. But, you're not the victim. Only now do you admit to being a novice when it comes to vaping. Only now do you admit to having something to learn. Only now do you claim to not be too picky. Post after post after post you claimed to know everything there is to know about vaping. You scolded and talked down to people who only offered sincere suggestions to your MANY MANY problems with your equipment. You claim to be a reviewer to posture yourself on some imaginary perch above the rest of us common folk. (common folk who are enjoying a great vape due to following suggestions from others, I might add) You tried to impress everyone with your vast knowledge and superior taste buds. We tried to help and YOU were rude. Read your posts...tell me if they sound like the same person who wrote your last post..."thick velvety, moist vapor dancing on my tongue bringing with it the nuances of my favorite rum juice like fairy's dancing in the mist" or some crap like that. Now you just want it to taste kinda like juice but no silica...c'mon dude. Don't whine that people were rude to you until you reread your posts and find out why people were rude to you. You played a big part in it. I can see you're someone who needs attention, you said so in this thread. You want to be "the guy" who brought vaping to the people. I get that...but vaping has already been brought to the people on this forum. I sincerely hope you figure out what works for you...I really do. And I apologize for taking the bait you threw out and biting. I'm usually pretty good at ignoring and avoiding drama, but damn man, you make it tough. I have 2 suggestions:
1. Get some more Ciscos and a simple vv/vw device like a vamo or svd or something better than what you have.
2. Stop trying to be the 2nd coming of the ECF community. Just try being a humble member with an open mind.
Finally, Please reread your various posts and threads to try to get an understanding why myself and others were rude. I've made a promise to myself to stop taking the bait...please try to make it easy on me. Thanks dude, and good luck.
1. Get some more Ciscos and a simple vv/vw device like a vamo or svd or something better than what you have.
2. Stop trying to be the 2nd coming of the ECF community. Just try being a humble member with an open mind.
Finally, Please reread your various posts and threads to try to get an understanding why myself and others were rude. I've made a promise to myself to stop taking the bait...please try to make it easy on me. Thanks dude, and good luck.
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