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FantWriter

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I'm totally new to DIY. All I've tried so far is mixing LorAnn flavoring with VG to get me through a couple of days before my next order of e-juice arrived.

What I'm thinking of doing: a 125ml bottle of 100mg/ml unflavored pure VG nic liquid and a 250ml bottle of VG mixed together in a 500ml amber or blue bottle. I would store this inside a plastic container in the refrigerator. (If my calcs are correct, this would be 33.33 mg/ml.)

When I want to use it, I'd mix it 3 to 1 with a flavoring/PG solution. (If my calcs are correct, this would give me 25mg/ml to vape.)

I'd make the flavoring solution by mixing 4 parts flavor with one part PG. (This, I believe, would give me 20% flavoring in the final mixture.)

Why I want to do it this way:
1) 100mg/ml calls for careful handling, and I'm a klutz. Rather than fooling around with beakers or graduated cylinders, I'd only have to empty the bottle it comes in into a larger bottle.

2) Other than on the day it arrives, I wouldn't have any 100mg/ml in the house. Although I have no pets or children, I'm not hot on the idea of having a potential poison in the fridge.

3) Rather than having to do calculations each time I wanted to make a new juice, I'd only have to fill a 6ml syringe with the unflavored mix, put it into a separate bottle, and add 2ml (by syringe) of flavoring solution.

4) I could vary the flavoring strength or mix flavors easily by changing whether that 2ml is pure flavoring solution, 1.5ml solution and .5ml PG, 1ml of one flavoring solution and 1ml of another, etc.

I'm not concerned about the final VG/PG ratio because I'm all about the ritual of 'smoking' and the flavor. The only real difference, to me, in having high PG is that I seem to have to refill cartos much more often.

As I said, I'm a total noob, so I'd appreciate anyone or everyone pointing out the flaws in my doing things this way.
 
I'm totally new to DIY. All I've tried so far is mixing LorAnn flavoring with VG to get me through a couple of days before my next order of e-juice arrived.

What I'm thinking of doing: a 125ml bottle of 100mg/ml unflavored pure VG nic liquid and a 250ml bottle of VG mixed together in a 500ml amber or blue bottle. I would store this inside a plastic container in the refrigerator. (If my calcs are correct, this would be 33.33 mg/ml.)

When I want to use it, I'd mix it 3 to 1 with a flavoring/PG solution. (If my calcs are correct, this would give me 25mg/ml to vape.)

Seems pretty much fine, though there is some thread around here about long-term storage you (actually we) ought to find. I've seen things about freezing, but I think more important is keeping away from light and reducing the amount of air left standing in the bottle.

I'd make the flavoring solution by mixing 4 parts flavor with one part PG. (This, I believe, would give me 20% flavoring in the final mixture.)

Seems like an unnecessary extra step, or maybe I'm not getting you here. I personally mix a base ~100ml @20mg, then I just don't care what my mg is after adding flavor, so maybe I am not helpful. Keep in mind some flavors you only need ~2% or even less (some say). I find myself mixing (PA mainly ATM) usually 12-20%.

Why I want to do it this way:
1) 100mg/ml calls for careful handling, and I'm a klutz. Rather than fooling around with beakers or graduated cylinders, I'd only have to empty the bottle it comes in into a larger bottle.

2) Other than on the day it arrives, I wouldn't have any 100mg/ml in the house. Although I have no pets or children, I'm not hot on the idea of having a potential poison in the fridge.

I'm a klutz too and had the same thing in mind, did the same thing as you except I ordered 250ml/100mg. I've ended up just making base 100ml at a time, I guess because I have been constantly short on atties/PVs... and didn't do any huge mix sessions yet. Let me just tell you my experience even doing this though. I'm sort of confused about it now after noticing it on my 3rd round of making base.

What you are doing will work. It seems like though somehow my nic base loses potency a day or two after I make it, even though I keep it dark/cool. I don't know if that is just iffy nic or something going on with it reacting to PG/VG. My end result will be like 16/18mg and the first couple days I get that "nic overdose headache", then it stops happening. I'm still getting nic, but it isn't the same. Anyhow.. I just realized this was happening and am thinking to just bite the bullet and mix more often. Anyhow..

Yes, I think that will work. Keep in mind that flavorings are usually PG based or alcohol which is even more runny than water. I make base at 75/25 to account for it usually, but I am going to be trying some higher VG blends as well.

Final suggestion, pick up a box of 100 gloves for like $5-10 if you don't do it all in one batch. Those kits that have 1 pair is just silly. I love the pipette pump from OSDIYS and I got all the sizes, works great.
 
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A couple of things that *may* be a problem down the line...
1. After you've been vaping a little while your tastes begin to change. Also you nic requirements can vary. When you mix up such a large amount at one time, you are limitting your options.
2. Drops mix better in PG. I usually mix my pre-diluted nic (I use pg based and I'll tell you why in a minute), any extra PG, and my drops together FIRST. Then I add my vg and mix again.
3. One of those products does not do as well in the frig. You are better off premixing your drop base and storing that in the frig.
4. You really aren't any safer having a large bottle of nic juice in your frig.

My suggestion would be to mix a smaller bottle (as Apri said) and then work from that bottle. I mix up a few bottles from my 100mg stash (a pg based and a vg based) and then I keep the rest sealed and/or tightly covered. Then I can mix a higher base if I need, I can change out my contents, etc. Basically. I'm not stuck with one giant base.
Oh! Your drop calculations... On average, the drop percentage is twenty percent. Some (like Fairy Arts) are lower, and some are higher. You also have to remember everyone is different. I like things a little stronger.

HTH!


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Forgot to add my reasons for the PG NIC.

Like you, I started out with vg nic because I like vapor. I decided since I was going to be adding most of that anyway, it would be easier to start with the vg nic.
Then I started DIYing. I learned that the drops disolve better in pg (and pg based liquids). I found out that vg was easier to purchase locally (for those days when you run put of something). I also discovered I preferred a certain brand of vg (once the senses return, you learn all kinds of things!). Last but not least, I realized you *can* produce vapor with pg and using straight vg can be tricky!! (it's very thick!!)

It was then that I switched to pg based nic. I add the vg brand I like. The amount that I want. And I ensure that my drops are well mixed in my juice.

*the only reason I keep vg based nic around, is for my friends that are allergic to pg.

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Thanks for all the advice!

I was afraid that perhaps mixing the nic liquid would shorten its life -- the mixing surely entrains air, and nicotine does like to oxidize.

I'm afraid mixing up small batches isn't really viable for me. The cost of small bottles of unflavored nic liquid are such that there wouldn't be a great cost savings over buying premixed flavors.

Thanks again to both of you!
 

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I was going to get it from My Freedom Smokes.

UnFlavored Smoke Juice (Nic. Juice) - My Freedom Smokes

I've only ordered from them once (I'm still at the stage of making small orders from many companies in order to find out which ones I want to rely upon), but I'm very, very happy with their service and juice.
 
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I was going to get it from My Freedom Smokes.

UnFlavored Smoke Juice (Nic. Juice) - My Freedom Smokes

I've only ordered from them once (I'm still at the stage of making small orders from many companies in order to find out which ones I want to rely upon), but I'm very, very happy with their service and juice.

NicVape's sale ends by Feb. but their price is roughly half that (50% off). I think the code was ecf-holiday and I think he is supposed to have VG too, but you might need to email or comment it into your order.

Please read through these threads below. They have a ton of info for storing and what not.

Thread One

Thread Two

Thread Three

Thanks, exactly what I was looking for.
 

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Then I would have to calculate how much to add so that mixing it with flavoring brings it down to 24mg/ml.

Also, I have a problem with PG. I'm not allergic to it, I'm just finding I'm not really satisfied when it's more than 20% PG.


What is the difference between pre-mixing your own nic down to 'approx 33.33%' and buying nic at 36mg? (except the 3%?) It's not going to be a whole lot of difference..
 

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What is the difference between pre-mixing your own nic down to 'approx 33.33%' and buying nic at 36mg? (except the 3%?) It's not going to be a whole lot of difference..

It's outside my comfort zone.

I handle 24mg/ml well. Using a simple 3 parts 33.33mg/ml to 1 part flavor yields 25mg/ml, 4% over optimal. Doing that with 36mg/ml would yield 27mg/ml, 12.5% over optimal. When you factor in measuring errors, it could hit 20% above what I want. I'm just too .... to accept that.
 
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