Would you go the extra $ and get a ProVari ???

[Asbestos4004]

I just dont see the great deal about the provari. I have held one, vaped one....honestly no, I dont see the price justified. Sure they are built great and whatnot, but out dated technology as far as ecigs are concerned. Kind of like the iphone of ecigs. Die hard fans and for what they do, they do it well for the most part. But no real innovation or improvements. Just the same rehashed programming in a different colord shell.

I guess I won't understand why "öutdated" gets thrown out there so often until it's actually outdated. How is superior performance outdated? It works better, it's built better, it lasts longer.... how is that outdated? Ok, it doesn't have a puff counter and you can't hook it up to your computer so you can catalog your vaping habits.....

 

[dirty_luck]

Whats the amp limit of the provari again?

 

[slappy3139]

Jeez, outdated? What technological advances do you really need to vape? I need a mod that works when I push da button. I dont need usb passthrough or, the ability to charge my phone. I don't need a damn gyroscope to tilt to my wattage, I just need it to work when I push da button.

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[dirty_luck]

The provari v2 has a whopping 3.5 amp limit!!?!?!!

Congradulations they matched an mvp. With all the new 5 amp limit regulated mods out, yes it is outdated tech.

 

[Bimini Twist]

Again the VTR is better in almost every aspect except weight and depending on your aesthetics.

VTR is not better. My opinion is as "factual" and as valid as yours.

AGAIN cheaper doesn't mean will break more often.

Agreed.

And I dont spend money on my own labor. Parts? like soldering wire and a torch? Which everyone with a mod should have

You're clearly buying the wrong mods if you think everyone with a mod* should have those tools. Nobody should have to have a soldering iron (wire?) to enjoy vaping with a mod. On the other hand, if you enjoy such tinkering (I do), then yes, those are very handy to have around.


*In the vaping world, "mod" has, for the most part, lost its meaning. pdib calls his mod a modder's mod, so I guess we'll have to modify our lingo yet again.

 

[dirty_luck]

Jeez, outdated? What technological advances do you really need to vape? I need a mod that works when I push da button. I dont need usb passthrough or, the ability to charge my phone. I don't need a damn gyroscope to tilt to my wattage, I just need it to work when I push da button.

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Agreed. The gyroscope is kind of silly. But at the end of the day a question was posed and I have my opinion. Would I pay the extra $ for a provari? No I would not. Not until they play catchup a little bit. You can drive a volkswagon or a ferrari. They both take you the same place, but even volkswagon eventually put a turbo on their cars.

 

[slappy3139]

The provari v2 has a whopping 3.5 amp limit!!?!?!!

Congradulations they matched an mvp. With all the new 5 amp limit regulated mods out, yes it is outdated tech.

Well I have a mvp2 and its amp limit is not 3.5 amps, I think its 3 amps? Regardless, it does not perform as well as a provari IMO.

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[p.opus]

I just dont see the great deal about the provari. I have held one, vaped one....honestly no, I dont see the price justified. Sure they are built great and whatnot, but out dated technology as far as ecigs are concerned. Kind of like the iphone of ecigs. Die hard fans and for what they do, they do it well for the most part. But no real innovation or improvements. Just the same rehashed programming in a different colord shell.

Oh goody...the outdated tech argument I knew that one would come up..... Let's hear how the ProVari is the Blackberry of the vaping world and will die because they lack innovation.....and really what innovation or improvement has there actually been in vaping in the last 4 years? We're still heating element wire to vaporize e-liquid. If you want to talk about innovation, lets see something that does this ultrasonically, or creates an atty head that never wears out.

The Reo has remained basically unchanged since it's release...No one complains of their "lack of innovation". Perhaps if there were a fundamental shift in the way we vape, like a different delivery medium (gel, or solid) or if there were a different way to "vaporize" it, like ultrasonically, then I'm with you.... 510 connector heating a Kanthal Wire....That's so 2010.

But since we really haven't changed how we're heating e liquid, then this tells me that the recent spate of high wattage mods is nothing more than a marketing phenomenon. E-cig suppliers can make more money off of dual head attys than single head attys. And to drive those new dual head products you need a stronger battery, higher wattage and amperage handling...So now you NEED a 20 watt and 30 watt mod....Who cares if everything taste burnt on an EVOD....Can't make any money on those anyway. Too easy to rebuild the heads.

So let me get this straight.
The newer mods are better because:
1. E-Cig manufacturers want us to spend more on replacement heads and buy more juice and more batteries so they say that dual coil is the only way to go and newbies eat that stuff up for breakfast....
2. Cloud chasers think it's uber cool to walk around looking like a human fog machine and brag to each other how "low" they can go without venting a battery....and newbies eat that stuff up for breakfast.

All the while a perfectly great vape can be had on a 1.8 ohm Kayfun set at 4.3 volts on top of a ProVari.

 

[glassgal]

no sir same exact battery. as in take it out of one and put into other. and i still don't see any difference at all in vape quality.
and the question was would you spend the $ on a provari. the answer is NO!!!

You're full of it. The AW doesn't fit in a VTR without damaging it by pushing it up that .5 mm, the VTR isn't designed to work with a button top battery, the Provari can't be used with anything but a button top battery. Now you're just making things up, or damaging the spring in your VTR.

 

[glassgal]

in general yes, but i do think there are a few, namely the vtr and lavatube, which are at least as good IMO and are cheaper. when first released, yes the provari was miles ahead of any other regulated mod, but they have not gotten any better since, while other companies have stepped up to compete with the provari and built better mods

What better mods? For regulated tubes, Provari is STILL the standard after years. For boxes, REO is STILL the standard after years. Not a single mod has knocked either off their pinnacle yet for their type. Simple, reliable, functional. These aren't cell phones, and people are using them to replace a habit that's been around for 3000 years without changing. You really need to get a clue.

 

[elprup7]

Look at Pbusardos numbers.

The ProVari NEVER varied more than .02 (yes folks that's Hundredths, not tenths) volts from it's set voltage across all voltages and resistances and it retained that level of accuracy throughout the entire discharge cycle of the battery.

The VTR was off by .1 to .2 (tenths) volts off in almost all ranges of voltage and resistance.. When set to 5.5 volts on a 3 ohm load the VTR fired .4 volts high. When set to Variable wattage again, it was off by .1 to .2 volts in almost all wattage settings, but at 9 watts, it fired a 3 ohm load .6 volts high. Mathematically this makes the VTR normally 5 to 10 times but up to 30 times less accurate than the ProVari.

I imagine you have an O-Scope to actually validate your findings of it being spot on, since you wouldn't be able to put an inline volt meter on it.....(due to it's unfiltered PWM and all).

I'm not making this stuff up, I'm simply looking at a guy who has the equipment and did similar measurements on the VTR and ProVari and published his findings.

But, when it does come to opinion, I do trust Pbusardo pretty implicitly. This guy has access and tried nearly every mod out there. He recently was asked if ALL of his vape gear were stolen, what would he spend HIS OWN MONEY to purchase back.... He said a ProVari and a Kayfun.....Now THAT's an opinion I give some value to.

now did he measure the old VTR or the new one with the fixed ring. IMO this flaw was fixed with the fixed ring

 

[dirty_luck]

All the while a perfectly great vape can be had on a 1.8 ohm Kayfun set at 4.3 volts on top of a ProVari.

A good vape can be had at those levels. But what about people who dont like the vape at that range? What about those who like to vape at 30 watts? Are you saying they are doing it wrong? Not everyone runs dual coils or runs around like a fog machine. You are making a generalization a little there. Keep in mind different strokes.

the more I read of these posts alot of people are dodging one thing. You paid $150-$200 for a tube that simply holds a battery at the end of the day. And runs a chip that by standards in electronics is outdated. Seems alot of people are trying to make themselves feel better about that.

 

[elprup7]

Jeez, outdated? What technological advances do you really need to vape? I need a mod that works when I push da button. I dont need usb passthrough or, the ability to charge my phone. I don't need a damn gyroscope to tilt to my wattage, I just need it to work when I push da button.

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then why spend that much money????????

 

[glassgal]

A good vape can be had at those levels. But what about people who dont like the vape at that range? What about those who like to vape at 30 watts? Are you saying they are doing it wrong? Not everyone runs dual coils or runs around like a fog machine. You are making a generalization a little there. Keep in mind different strokes.

the more I read of these posts alot of people are dodging one thing. You paid $150-$200 for a tube that simply holds a battery at the end of the day. And runs a chip that by standards in electronics is outdated. Seems alot of people are trying to make themselves feel better about that.

People who want to vape at 30 watts buy mech mods.

 

[dirty_luck]

Im vaping at 30 on a svd.

 

[glassgal]

then why spend that much money????????

Because it works. Because it's safe. Because it's practically indestructible. Because if you do break it, Provape will fix it cheap. Because it's reliable. Because you don't have to think about using it, focusing all your time playing with your atomizer instead of yet another thing to think about. But everyone's told you this about 3x each.

 

[elprup7]

Oh goody...the outdated tech argument I knew that one would come up..... Let's hear how the ProVari is the Blackberry of the vaping world and will die because they lack innovation.....and really what innovation or improvement has there actually been in vaping in the last 4 years? We're still heating element wire to vaporize e-liquid. If you want to talk about innovation, lets see something that does this ultrasonically, or creates an atty head that never wears out.

The Reo has remained basically unchanged since it's release...No one complains of their "lack of innovation". Perhaps if there were a fundamental shift in the way we vape, like a different delivery medium (gel, or solid) or if there were a different way to "vaporize" it, like ultrasonically, then I'm with you.... 510 connector heating a Kanthal Wire....That's so 2010.

But since we really haven't changed how we're heating e liquid, then this tells me that the recent spate of high wattage mods is nothing more than a marketing phenomenon. E-cig suppliers can make more money off of dual head attys than single head attys. And to drive those new dual head products you need a stronger battery, higher wattage and amperage handling...So now you NEED a 20 watt and 30 watt mod....Who cares if everything taste burnt on an EVOD....Can't make any money on those anyway. Too easy to rebuild the heads.

So let me get this straight.
The newer mods are better because:
1. E-Cig manufacturers want us to spend more on replacement heads and buy more juice and more batteries so they say that dual coil is the only way to go and newbies eat that stuff up for breakfast....
2. Cloud chasers think it's uber cool to walk around looking like a human fog machine and brag to each other how "low" they can go without venting a battery....and newbies eat that stuff up for breakfast.

All the while a perfectly great vape can be had on a 1.8 ohm Kayfun set at 4.3 volts on top of a ProVari.

i agree it is a good vape. but for that price more can be offered. period. we aren't talking about advances in clearos or tanks or any atomizer. we are talking about a mod. a mod that has not changed since its release. now usually old outdated tech gets cheaper but provari is still way overpriced.

 

[Baditude]

I just dont see the great deal about the provari. I have held one, vaped one....honestly no, I dont see the price justified. Sure they are built great and whatnot, but out dated technology as far as ecigs are concerned. Kind of like the iphone of ecigs. Die hard fans and for what they do, they do it well for the most part. But no real innovation or improvements. Just the same rehashed programming in a different colord shell.

i agree it is a good vape. but for that price more can be offered. period. we aren't talking about advances in clearos or tanks or any atomizer. we are talking about a mod. a mod that has not changed since its release. now usually old outdated tech gets cheaper but provari is still way overpriced.

Newer technology doesn't mean "better" in all cases. I hate comparing apples to oranges, cars vs mods. But since it was brought up before...

Old school audiophiles swear by the old tube style amplifiers compared to modern day's solid state digital media. LP discs over digital discs for higher fidelity. They argue that a sense of "warmth", "smoothness" & "realism" is missing in digital media. To these people, newer technology is not always better. These arguments are all in the "ear" of the beholder. I get that. Not everyone does, though.

In vaping, the debates persist in the differences in the PWM/VRMS frequency of regulated devices. The "rattlesnake effect". That 33.3 Hz devices vape harsher/hotter, and higher 800 Hz devices have a smoother vape. I experience it with my regulated mods. I swear my Provari's vape smoother than my Smoktechs, Segelei's, and Innokins. It's in the "vape" of the beholder. I get that. Not everyone does.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...itaste-mvp-dont-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

Four years ago Provape designed, made, and patented a superior chip for the Provari. Few if any have been able to come close to its accuracy. Innokin came close with the iTaste VV and MVP, but inexplicably chose not to put it in their higher end mods.

If you want to get technical with vapor output accuracy with PWM, VRMS values, PBusardo explains it here in this video:

 

[Bimini Twist]

A good vape can be had at those levels. But what about people who dont like the vape at that range? What about those who like to vape at 30 watts? Are you saying they are doing it wrong? Not everyone runs dual coils or runs around like a fog machine. You are making a generalization a little there. Keep in mind different strokes.

Best thing I've seen you post so far. Try this:

A good vape can be had at those levels. But what about people who dont like the vape at that range? What about those who like to vape at 15 watts or less? Are you saying they are doing it wrong? Not everyone runs dual coils or runs around like a fog machine. You are making a generalization a little there. Keep in mind different strokes.

the more I read of these posts alot of people are dodging one thing. You paid $150-$200 for a tube that simply holds a battery at the end of the day. And runs a chip that by standards in electronics is outdated. Seems alot of people are trying to make themselves feel better about that.

Does not apply to me.

 

[p.opus]

now did he measure the old VTR or the new one with the fixed ring. IMO this flaw was fixed with the fixed ring

The ring might account for the spiked reading at 3.0 ohms, but not for everything else. Why? Because Innokin uses the same basic chipset for the VTR, SVD and 134, just different form factors. And they all look the same on the scope.

Show me a VTR with ProVari like numbers and I'll concede that point.