Would you go the extra $ and get a ProVari ???

[elprup7]

You're full of it. The AW doesn't fit in a VTR without damaging it by pushing it up that .5 mm, the VTR isn't designed to work with a button top battery, the Provari can't be used with anything but a button top battery. Now you're just making things up, or damaging the spring in your VTR.

i never once stated the battery i was using first of all and yes you can use a button top in a VTR, as I do when my flat top is charging. no problems sir

 

[dirty_luck]

Because it works. Because it's safe. Because it's practically indestructible. Because if you do break it, Provape will fix it cheap. Because it's reliable. .

Just like a volkswagon!

 

[elprup7]

What better mods? For regulated tubes, Provari is STILL the standard after years. For boxes, REO is STILL the standard after years. Not a single mod has knocked either off their pinnacle yet for their type. Simple, reliable, functional. These aren't cell phones, and people are using them to replace a habit that's been around for 3000 years without changing. You really need to get a clue.

you made my point for me. the reo is better shape of a mod does not matter in ANY way.

 

[glassgal]

you made my point for me. the reo is better shape of a mod does not matter in ANY way.

LMAO! The REO is a bottom feeder mech mod, no electronics.

 

[elprup7]

People who want to vape at 30 watts buy mech mods.

people who want to vape at any particular wattage will get whatever mod that suits them.

 

[elprup7]

Because it works. Because it's safe. Because it's practically indestructible. Because if you do break it, Provape will fix it cheap. Because it's reliable. Because you don't have to think about using it, focusing all your time playing with your atomizer instead of yet another thing to think about. But everyone's told you this about 3x each.

how about i don't intentionally try to destroy my mod and none of these problems occur. safe? i dont see how any mod is safer than any other, using the right battery of course. ? idk where this playing with your atty comes from...
oh and my vtr is also indestructible

 

[glassgal]

i never once stated the battery i was using first of all and yes you can use a button top in a VTR, as I do when my flat top is charging. no problems sir

Well now we know why you need to tinker and need your soldering iron and other tools. Nothing wrong with that, but it'd be cheaper to just buy people's broken mods and fix them up.

There's probably a huge demand for someone to fix imported mods here... you could do quite well doing just that, especially if you like it.

 

[elprup7]

Newer technology doesn't mean "better" in all cases. I hate comparing apples to oranges, cars vs mods. But since it was brought up before...

Old school audiophiles swear by the old tube style amplifiers compared to modern day's solid state digital media. LP discs over digital discs for higher fidelity. They argue that a sense of "warmth", "smoothness" & "realism" is missing in digital media. To these people, newer technology is not always better. These arguments are all in the "ear" of the beholder. I get that. Not everyone does, though.

In vaping, the debates persist in the differences in the PWM/VRMS frequency of regulated devices. The "rattlesnake effect". That 33.3 Hz devices vape harsher/hotter, and higher 800 Hz devices have a smoother vape. I experience it with my regulated mods. I swear my Provari's vape smoother than my Smoktechs, Segelei's, and Innokins. It's in the "vape" of the beholder. I get that. Not everyone does.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/variable-voltage-apv-discussion/488840-rattlesnake-effect-why-cheapo-vv-exception-itaste-mvp-dont-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

If you want to get technical with vapor output accuracy with PWM, VRMS values, PBusardo explains it here in this video:

exception MVP you blind? and the VTR is much better than both MVPs

 

[stevegmu]

I know my juices, coils and toppers. I get a great vape from a ProVape-1... I buy 'premium' juice and like to taste it, not burn it...

 

[dirty_luck]

And even PB gives an exception to the mvp. Proof you dont need to drop that much money on a APV. Or am I missing something here? I get that not everyone can tell a difference in subtleties of some gear or the whole analouge vs digital music (I have been in million dollar studios and music is my life\job) but I still dont see the attraction of the provari being better or worth the cost.

 

[elprup7]

The ring might account for the spiked reading at 3.0 ohms, but not for everything else. Why? Because Innokin uses the same basic chipset for the VTR, SVD and 134, just different form factors. And they all look the same on the scope.

Show me a VTR with ProVari like numbers and I'll concede that point.

ok so the one VALID point made to give provari an edge is very accurate regulation , IF your numbers are true. the difference between 3.5 volts and 3.7(your .2 error on vtr) is not significant enough to notice without watching the meter

 

[glassgal]

how about i don't intentionally try to destroy my mod and none of these problems occur. safe? i dont see how any mod is safer than any other, using the right battery of course. ? idk where this playing with your atty comes from...
oh and my vtr is also indestructible

The VTR does have a good body. I think the same thing, if the electronics go out, the body may be reuseable for something.

 

[elprup7]

LMAO! The REO is a bottom feeder mech mod, no electronics.

add a kick and its regulated and better in every facet.

 

[elprup7]

Well now we know why you need to tinker and need your soldering iron and other tools. Nothing wrong with that, but it'd be cheaper to just buy people's broken mods and fix them up.

There's probably a huge demand for someone to fix imported mods here... you could do quite well doing just that, especially if you like it.

?how does anything ive said lead you to believe i break my mods?

 

[elprup7]

I know my juices, coils and toppers. I get a great vape from a ProVape-1... I buy 'premium' juice and like to taste it, not burn it...

if you burn your juice its a problem with the atty not the mod.

 

[dirty_luck]

?how does anything ive said lead you to believe i break my mods?

Because they dont say provari

 

[p.opus]

add a kick and its regulated and better in every facet.

I'm done with you elprup7...

You have your opinion and I have mine.

What's really great about spouting opinion as fact is that it requires none of those messy things like evidence. It also allows you to brush aside evidence with a wave of your hand...And change your position when it suits you.

VTR....No post warranty support....it's still better.
VTR Not as accurate as a Provari... Must be the ring....no evidence required despite the fact that Innokin used the same chipset on 5 models of mod (SVD, VTR, Coolfire 2, 134 and 134 mini) and all had similar numbers...
ProVari is old and overpriced but Reo is classic and priced just right...

Well there's only so much one can do when we reach this point....

 

[dirty_luck]

if you burn your juice its a problem with the atty not the mod.

More than likely user error than atty or mod.

 

[elprup7]

The VTR does have a good body. I think the same thing, if the electronics go out, the body may be reuseable for something.

if the electronics go out i will fix them. IF they ever do

 

[elprup7]

More than likely user error than atty or mod.

of course accounting for the person knowing what they are doing lol